23h Viti Levi Tour - unrealistic riding Italian connection

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Re: 23h Viti Levi Tour - unrealistic riding Italian connecti

Post by glasgowracing » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:18 am

What was the result of the FC discussions?

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Re: 23h Viti Levi Tour - unrealistic riding Italian connecti

Post by Rockstar Inc » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:49 am

the FC can only vote/propose something to buhmann...he has to react to this...that's why it takes sometimes soo long...
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Re: 23h Viti Levi Tour - unrealistic riding Italian connecti

Post by glasgowracing » Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:34 pm

I try again....
How did the FC decide?

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Re: 23h Viti Levi Tour - unrealistic riding Italian connecti

Post by Rockstar Inc » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:40 am

Rockstar Inc wrote:the FC can only vote/propose something to buhmann...he has to react to this...that's why it takes sometimes soo long...
"I'm an old-school sprinter. I can't climb a mountain but if I am in front with 200 metres to go then there's nobody who can beat me.” Mark Cavendish, at the 2007 Eneco Tour

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Re: 23h Viti Levi Tour - unrealistic riding Italian connecti

Post by glasgowracing » Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:04 am

Rockstar Inc wrote:
Rockstar Inc wrote:the FC can only vote/propose something to buhmann...he has to react to this...that's why it takes sometimes soo long...
A: Did the FC vote?
B: Did they send a proposal or something to Buhmann?
C: What was the FC's proposal? What did Buhmann decide?

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Re: 23h Viti Levi Tour - unrealistic riding Italian connecti

Post by Rockstar Inc » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:23 am

bingo, these questions are way much better...
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Re: 23h Viti Levi Tour - unrealistic riding Italian connecti

Post by Quick » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:16 pm

glasgowracing wrote:
Rockstar Inc wrote:
Rockstar Inc wrote:the FC can only vote/propose something to buhmann...he has to react to this...that's why it takes sometimes soo long...
A: Did the FC vote?
B: Did they send a proposal or something to Buhmann?
C: What was the FC's proposal? What did Buhmann decide?
Cases are not open forever. And because of the amount of cases it's impossible for me to remeber all of them. Therefore:

A: Yes, I'm 99% sure the FC voted for something.
B: Vote=proposal to Buhmann
C: Can't remember. Don't know. Chances are that he did nothing though.

Thing I know is that aux is still in the FC and that's a joke itself.
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Re: 23h Viti Levi Tour - unrealistic riding Italian connecti

Post by glasgowracing » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:57 pm

Quick wrote:
glasgowracing wrote:
Rockstar Inc wrote:
Rockstar Inc wrote:the FC can only vote/propose something to buhmann...he has to react to this...that's why it takes sometimes soo long...
A: Did the FC vote?
B: Did they send a proposal or something to Buhmann?
C: What was the FC's proposal? What did Buhmann decide?
Cases are not open forever. And because of the amount of cases it's impossible for me to remeber all of them. Therefore:

A: Yes, I'm 99% sure the FC voted for something.
B: Vote=proposal to Buhmann
C: Can't remember. Don't know. Chances are that he did nothing though.

Thing I know is that aux is still in the FC and that's a joke itself.

A: Of course, my problem is why does the FC not remember? No database for cases? Fail.
B: Indeed.
C: Exactly, but I think an open case can only be closed with a statement of what action has been taken. The handling of fairness complaints has to be improved.

I know one team or its friends were punished for riding for oneanother, it can't be that in other cases nothing is done - especially not if an involved person is a member of the FC.

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Re: 23h Viti Levi Tour - unrealistic riding Italian connecti

Post by glasgowracing » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:57 pm

Quick wrote:
glasgowracing wrote:
Rockstar Inc wrote:
Rockstar Inc wrote:the FC can only vote/propose something to buhmann...he has to react to this...that's why it takes sometimes soo long...
A: Did the FC vote?
B: Did they send a proposal or something to Buhmann?
C: What was the FC's proposal? What did Buhmann decide?
Cases are not open forever. And because of the amount of cases it's impossible for me to remeber all of them. Therefore:

A: Yes, I'm 99% sure the FC voted for something.
B: Vote=proposal to Buhmann
C: Can't remember. Don't know. Chances are that he did nothing though.

Thing I know is that aux is still in the FC and that's a joke itself.

A: Of course, my problem is why does the FC not remember? No database for cases? Fail.
B: Indeed.
C: Exactly, but I think an open case can only be closed with a statement of what action has been taken. The handling of fairness complaints has to be improved.

I know one team or its friends were punished for riding for oneanother, it can't be that in other cases nothing is done - especially not if an involved person is a member of the FC.

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Re: 23h Viti Levi Tour - unrealistic riding Italian connecti

Post by Rockstar Inc » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:15 pm

glasgowracing wrote: A: Of course, my problem is why does the FC not remember? No database for cases? Fail. buhmann
B: Indeed.buhmann
C: Exactly, but I think an open case can only be closed with a statement of what action has been taken. The handling of fairness complaints has to be improved. buhmann

I know one team or its friends were punished for riding for oneanother, it can't be that in other cases nothing is done - especially not if an involved person is a member of the FC.
"I'm an old-school sprinter. I can't climb a mountain but if I am in front with 200 metres to go then there's nobody who can beat me.” Mark Cavendish, at the 2007 Eneco Tour

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Re: 23h Viti Levi Tour - unrealistic riding Italian connecti

Post by glasgowracing » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:25 pm

Rockstar Inc wrote:
glasgowracing wrote: A: Of course, my problem is why does the FC not remember? No database for cases? Fail. buhmann
B: Indeed.buhmann
C: Exactly, but I think an open case can only be closed with a statement of what action has been taken. The handling of fairness complaints has to be improved. buhmann

I know one team or its friends were punished for riding for oneanother, it can't be that in other cases nothing is done - especially not if an involved person is a member of the FC.
It's always easy to blame one person. If the FC members would push enough or organize themselves better surely improvements could be done.
A simple step would be to reply to a forum post with "vote taken, buhmann will decide". Surely such an idea doesn't need Buhmann's brain to get implemented into a comiteee process.

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Re: 23h Viti Levi Tour - unrealistic riding Italian connecti

Post by Rockstar Inc » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:59 pm

it is to determine on one person....
only buhmann is able to do anything...only buhmann is able to recruit new members or kick old ones...

the only thing i give you my "yes" is the thing with the post...something like "members voted, case now up to buhmann"
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Re: 23h Viti Levi Tour - unrealistic riding Italian connecti

Post by Quick » Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:17 pm

glasgowracing wrote:
Rockstar Inc wrote:
glasgowracing wrote: A: Of course, my problem is why does the FC not remember? No database for cases? Fail. buhmann
B: Indeed.buhmann
C: Exactly, but I think an open case can only be closed with a statement of what action has been taken. The handling of fairness complaints has to be improved. buhmann

I know one team or its friends were punished for riding for oneanother, it can't be that in other cases nothing is done - especially not if an involved person is a member of the FC.
It's always easy to blame one person. If the FC members would push enough or organize themselves better surely improvements could be done.
A simple step would be to reply to a forum post with "vote taken, buhmann will decide". Surely such an idea doesn't need Buhmann's brain to get implemented into a comiteee process.
You know what? Pavler-PTT-Sporties multi-case.

Opened it. Was alone in the thread fpr maybe 2 or 3 days. Others joined. 3 in total(I think we need 4 ban votes for an imediate ban). Leso (the 4th who voted for no ban) said he has already banned Pavler. Ok. 2 days later - I ride a race with him. Write leso pn - pavler not banned. Leso answers: temporary ban until the case is clear is ok for him but he's already banned in the database and doesn't know why he still can ride.
Wrote 5 days later a pn to him, what he's going to do now because they all still ride. Still waiting for an answer. Wrote the last pn on the 7th of April.

Gave up.
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Re: 23h Viti Levi Tour - unrealistic riding Italian connecti

Post by Allagen » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:08 am

pavler with 27 saison races in april. that do not look like a ban ;)
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Re: 23h Viti Levi Tour - unrealistic riding Italian connecti

Post by glasgowracing » Wed May 01, 2013 1:59 am

If there's no proof, you can't ban those accounts. I just know these Pavler, PTT (and probably more) accounts are freaking parasites and one of them got punished today. Fuck them. But there's a thread for that PTT/Pavler problem too.

I have opened this case and have never received an answer, that's why this thread will get pushed up by me until I get an answer.

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