Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

[team fl]

In your ears, for Igny
In French ears, names ending with -gny are traditionnally characteristical of Burgundy.

Anyway, removing + giving back = 2 actions. Asking first = 1 action + more "pleasant"

Maybe if it is too much work to do things "pleasant", ask for more people in NC !

Just say thanks and keep the other stuff for yourself, won't you? It only makes you look worse.

[team fl]

I said "please" and "thanks".
I just notice there is no "improvement willings".
But probably not in my side too

Read correctly. I didn't write that you haven't said "please" and "thanks". But that you should have left it with that without the other side comments. Anyway, thanks for being polite on that side. Regarding Improvement, I really don't know what to improve and why people don't understand that it is organisationally highly inefficient to do what you want (btw. you have not been the only one wanting to be asked beforehand).

It is much easier to let a user come up with a good argumentation for a name than check every name even more thoroughly, maybe even with asking the responsible user. That would be a shitload of more work which could not be dealt with. And sometimes, it's just that the "sound realistic" part, which is very subjective, leads to that, like in your case. That's no arbitrariness, that's due to resources and personal knowledge.

So for us (at least for me and Hunsrueck as I guess), it is very frustrating when users come up with allegations like this, always poking, always provoking, instead of just presenting their case. As said before many times, compared to the number of riders the NC is dealing with, there are very few cases in which we're plain wrong. But it happens. And then, we need the help of the user. It's not a one-way street. And which game, if not this, needs the community more for different tasks, e.g. designing races, the FC, the NC, etc. So be a valuable part of that community

[team fl]

It just doesn't get better... You build up something from nothing and paint a picture that has nothing to do with reality. And because two teams made stupid claims that make no sense does not make it less stupid.

And change something that is not necessary because you are too lazy to help every half year a bit in this thread? Surely not.

[team fl]

Btw, for everybody who is curious about it: The NC had do deal with appeals against 14 decisions so far in 2018. In 8 cases, the appeal was succesful (thanks to the help of the player).

6 of them not, due to the NC-Guidelines (NCG):

- 2 cases because §3 NCG (first and last name in the wrong order or first name as last name)
- 1 case because §2(1) NCG (clone)
- 3 case because §1(1) NCG (does not exist in reality and/or does not sound realistc)

Just to put this into perspective: Just have a look at the transfer list of 2018 which you can look at in the team statistics page. There have been over 4'000 riders bought in 2018 so far. Not all of them with new or difficult names, but we still have to deal with most of them. In average, that's roughly 18 rider names per day (16. August ist day 228 of the year) and an appeal quota of 0.35 %. Some cases are easily done, some not. For example, take a name from today's list:

Johan Blacklund, Norway: Sounds realistc, no? But when you google it, you a) don't find a Norweigan with that name BUT find a Swedish Ice Hockey player names Johan Backlund. So, what do you do now? Is it a clone? Is it okay because of your first thought that it could sound realistic? Is it maybe another nationality because "black" is clearly english? What do you decide? (Seriously, write it here).

In conclusion, I think that's not too shabby of the NC, although the individual cases may be annoying for the appealing player. Anyway, I don't see more than one appeal from a particular player this year, so it should be manageable for you all to help the NC a bit. And just remember, the NC members are doing this voluntarily as a community service (not to confuse with services of the public or private sector as it seems to be the case sometimes).


Edith adds that of course there may be an estimated number of unreported cases where the NC was wrong too. But we can only present what we know. The rest ist up to speculations in which particular field of expertise you guys are better than me I guess

[Robyklebt]

Instead of wasting your time writing excuses you should properly research Igny before violently, almost terroristically actually, revoke his citizenship!!

[team fl]

Instead of wasting your time writing excuses you should properly research Igny before violently, almost terroristically actually, revoke his citizenship!!

So you have an opinion about Blacklund?

[olaf]

why has Howard Marksjnr lost his nationality ? he is the son of a former rider in my team.

[Hunsrueck]

why has Howard Marksjnr lost his nationality ? he is the son of a former rider in my team.

You got a PM

[Flolandria]

Änderung der Nationalität von Phillipsens Nathan:, "Belgique" zu "Staatenlos"
Begründung: #keinName#

So the firstname is amongst the top 100 of most popular firstnames in Belgium.
The surname is still in use but less popular than Philipsens or Phillipsen, but still existant.

Änderung der Nationalität von Braems Jordy:, "Belgique" zu "Staatenlos"
Begründung: #keinName#
The firstname is one of the more popular names in Belgium (top100).
Braems is a not so popular surname in Belgium but it's still existant. (ex footballer Urbain Braems or ex-cyclist Phillippe Braems)

Änderung der Nationalität von Teirlinckx Gunther:, "Belgique" zu "Staatenlos"
Begründung: #keinName#
Günther was at a certain time a quiet popular firstname. (https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunther you can see all the belgian famous persons with the name)
Teirlinckx, again less known in Belgium, but still a belgian name. https://www.transfermarkt.nl/alexandre- ... ler/406494

In my opinion all shoud have their nationality back relying on my long year experience with Belgian names.

[team fl]

First and last name are in the wrong order.

[Flolandria]

First and last name are in the wrong order.

Fair enough.

[fantasticos]

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0380143/bio Vorname Sandalio exisitiert...

https://www.houseofnames.com/santero-family-crest Santero als Nachname...

Jetzt ist die Familie halt vor der Geburt von Sandalio auf Estland ausgewandert und er hat dort die Staatsbürgerschaft...ist das machbar?

[team fl]

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0380143/bio Vorname Sandalio exisitiert...

https://www.houseofnames.com/santero-family-crest Santero als Nachname...

Jetzt ist die Familie halt vor der Geburt von Sandalio auf Estland ausgewandert und er hat dort die Staatsbürgerschaft...ist das machbar?

That's not how it works:

NC-Guidelines § 4:
(1) A rider’s name has to fit the given nationality.

-> Hence, no. Please chose a fitting nationality, if you don't have a serious source that shows that the name Santero is fitting with Estland indeed.

[fantasticos]

Bei Raivo Santero wars ja kein Problem

Gebt ihm halt irgendeine andere Nation wenn ihr dann besser schlafen könnt..

[Hunsrueck]

Bei Raivo Santero wars ja kein Problem

Gebt ihm halt irgendeine andere Nation wenn ihr dann besser schlafen könnt..

Warum, du hattest doch drei Versuche.

[fantasticos]

dann halt nicht wieso genau aber ein Raivo Santero ein Land hatte und Sandalio jetzt nicht mehr muss man auch erst verstehen

[Flolandria]

Hi, i would like to give my new leader the surname van Effelterre , a surname with a space between van and x is common in Belgium. However the system doesn't accept this space. Would my leader lose his nationality if i deleted the space?

[team fl]

The correct naming for a rider in this game would be "vanEffelterre" as family name.

[olaf]

dewi iwan is correct, here is the proof.
Dewi ([ˈdɛwiː], also [ˈdauwiː] or [ˈdeːwiː]) is an alternate or diminutive form of the Welsh masculine given name Dafydd ("David").

It is most famously borne by the patron saint of Wales, Saint David (Welsh: Dewi Sant).

It may also refer to:
Dewi Bebb, a Welsh rugby player
Dewi Bridges, a Welsh bishop
Dewi Griffiths, a Welsh television producer and radio host
Dewi Morgan, a Welsh bard
Dewi Morris, a rugby player who played for England
Dewi Nantbrân,
Dewi Zephaniah Phillips, a Welsh philosopher


Iwan is a masculine given name and a surname.

It is a Welsh and Cornish name related to Ifan and derived from the Latin Johannes.
Dafydd Iwan, Welsh folk singer and politician
Emrys ap Iwan, Welsh literary critic and writer on politics and religion
Llion Iwan, Welsh journalist, documentary producer, and author

hopes this helps.

[team fl]

dewi iwan is correct, here is the proof.
Dewi ([ˈdɛwiː], also [ˈdauwiː] or [ˈdeːwiː]) is an alternate or diminutive form of the Welsh masculine given name Dafydd ("David").

It is most famously borne by the patron saint of Wales, Saint David (Welsh: Dewi Sant).

It may also refer to:
Dewi Bebb, a Welsh rugby player
Dewi Bridges, a Welsh bishop
Dewi Griffiths, a Welsh television producer and radio host
Dewi Morgan, a Welsh bard
Dewi Morris, a rugby player who played for England
Dewi Nantbrân,
Dewi Zephaniah Phillips, a Welsh philosopher


Iwan is a masculine given name and a surname.

It is a Welsh and Cornish name related to Ifan and derived from the Latin Johannes.
Dafydd Iwan, Welsh folk singer and politician
Emrys ap Iwan, Welsh literary critic and writer on politics and religion
Llion Iwan, Welsh journalist, documentary producer, and author

hopes this helps.

Thanks a lot! takes the usual three days due to technical reasons.

[Moscow Team Pro]

Hy,

My rider Filippo Tizza lose nationality for my error. Name for Surname and Surname for name. It s possiblle change and recovery nationality?

Thx

[Hunsrueck]

Hy,

My rider Filippo Tizza lose nationality for my error. Name for Surname and Surname for name. It s possiblle change and recovery nationality?

Thx

PM

[Moscow Team Pro]

Thanks

[chartreusecycle]

Hello,

Anthelme Neige de Savoie lost his nationality today... He is the son of Alexandre Neige de Savoie and the nephew of Christian Neige de Savoie well known riders from the 2013/2014 years.

Neige and De Savoie are french familly name I do not understand why Anthelme lost the nationality.

Cheers,
Hugo

Chartreuse Monks

[Hunsrueck]

Hello,

Anthelme Neige de Savoie lost his nationality today... He is the son of Alexandre Neige de Savoie and the nephew of Christian Neige de Savoie well known riders from the 2013/2014 years.

Neige and De Savoie are french familly name I do not understand why Anthelme lost the nationality.

Cheers,
Hugo

Chartreuse Monks

Pass is on the way.