June 2014

[Robyklebt]

Opening post, somebody else can edit it and put in what's needed and bla bla

01.06 Paris-Roubaix Espoirs (FRA) 1.2U
01.06 Grand Prix Südkärnten (AUT) 1.2
01.06 Boucles de l'Aulne - Châteaulin (FRA) 1.1
01.06 Race Horizon Park 3 (UKR ) 1.2 - Luq
01.06 Tr. Città di San Vendemiano - GP Industria e Commercio (ITA) 1.2U
01.06 The Philadelphia Cycling Classic (USA) 1.1
02.06 Trofeo Alcide Degasperi (ITA) 1.2
03.06 - 07.06 Tour de Slovaquie (SVK) 2.2
04.06 - 08.06 Skoda-Tour de Luxembourg (LUX) 2.HC
05.06 - 08.06 Boucles de la Mayenne (FRA) 2.1
05.06 - 08.06 Grand Prix Cycliste de Saguenay (CAN) 2.2
07.06 Ronde Van Zeeland Seaports (NED) 1.1 - Luq
07.06 - 15.06 Tour of Singkarak (INA) 2.2
]08.06 - 15.06 Critérium du Dauphiné (FRA) 2.UWT
08.06 Memorial Philippe Van Coningsloo (BEL) 1.2
08.06 Coppa della Pace - Trofeo F.lli Anelli (ITA) 1.2
08.06 - 15.06 Tour de Korea (KOR) 2.1
11.06 - 15.06 Grand Prix "Udmurtskaya Pravda" (RUS) 2.2
11.06 - 15.06 Tour de Beauce (CAN) 2.2
12.06 GP du canton d'Argovie (SUI) 1.HC
12.06 - 14.06 Tour of Malopolska (POL) 2.2
12.06 - 15.06 Ronde de l'Oise (FRA) 2.2
14.06 - 22.06 Tour de Suisse (SUI) 2.UWT - RKL
15.06 Int. Raiffeisen Grand Prix Judendorf/Straßengel (AUT) 1.2
15.06 Ronde van Limburg (BEL) 1.1
17.06 - 22.06 Tour de Serbie (SRB) 2.2
17.06 - 22.06 Tour of Iran (Azarbaijan) (IRI) 2.1
18.06 - 22.06 Ster ZLM Toer GP Jan van Heeswijk (NED) 2.1
19.06 - 22.06 Tour de Slovénie (SLO) 2.1
19.06 - 22.06 Tour des Pays de Savoie (FRA) 2.2
20.06 - 22.06 Oberösterreichrundfahrt (AUT) 2.2
20.06 - 22.06 Route du Sud - la Dépêche du Midi (FRA) 2.1 - Poke
21.06 - 22.06 Memorial im. J. Grundmanna J. Wizowskiego (POL) 2.2
21.06 Golan I (SYR) 1.2
22.06 Beaumont Trophy (GBR) 1.2
22.06 Grand Prix Sarajevo (BIH) 1.2
22.06 Flèche Ardennaise (BEL) 1.2
23.06 Golan II (SYR) 1.2
24.06 Giro dell'Appennino (ITA) 1.1
25.06 Internationale Wielertrofee Jong Maar Moedig I.W.T. (BEL) 1.2
25.06 Halle-Ingooigem (BEL) 1.1
26.06 Golan IIl (SYR) 1.2
28.06 Trofeo Melinda - val di Non (ITA NCh RR) 1.1

ONLINE, MUST BE DRAWED OR CHECKED(WHEN PROFILE STILL THE SAME)
NOT ONLINE
NEW VERSION DRAWED
AT WORK
DELETE OR POSTPONED
SAME TRACK AS 2013

EDIT: I put all the races I found, someone for sure will be cutted, if i forget something let me know, Luq

[Robyklebt]

RKL will design the TdS

[luques]

Some info:

Sudkarnten is the same as last year, you can obviously move it.
Boucles de l'aulne: http://www.bouclesdelaulne.com/
Race Horizon: http://www.racehorizonpark.com/roadbook.html
Philadelphia looks the same of the last year too: http://www.phillycyclingclassic.org/Cou ... iewMap.pdf

All the tours in // with Luxembourg will be cancelled. Don't know for Dauphinè and Suisse, probably best option to have good partecipation is to keep only this 2 tours and cancel all the others in //, even if Ster ZLM Toer is not so much a secondary Tour.

Luques as usual will design Italian races

[Pokemon Club]

Well, I think we can delete all cat 2.2 tours. Dauphine which overlap with TDS of course. Let's ride Luxembourg / ZLM / Route du Sud sure in calendar. Then, IMO, we have maybe a place for a last tour between Slovenia, Mayenne and Iran, but not sure.

[Hunsrueck]

if we choose the luxemburg-tour, I would draw

[olmania]

if we choose the luxemburg-tour, I would draw

Already online : http://www.aotdl.com/skoda-tour-de-luxe ... ours-2014/

Route du Sud, will be only 3 stages this year. Official presentation on 21st of May.

Slovenian tour looks not bad with 1 TT(or TTT?) on HC stage, one hilly stage and one flat one: http://www.adria-mobil-cycling.com/si/d ... eniji-2014

[olmania]

[Pokemon Club]

As usual, let's check

28.05 - 01.06 Bayern Rundfahrt (GER) 2.HC
28.05 - 01.06 Baloise Belgium Tour (BEL) 2.HC BEL
04.06 - 08.06 Skoda-Tour de Luxembourg (LUX) 2.HC
05.06 - 07-06 Tour of Estonia (EST) 2.1
05.06 - 08.06 Boucles de la Mayenne (FRA) 2.1
08.06 - 15.06 Critérium du Dauphiné (FRA) 2.UWT
08.06 - 15.06 Tour de Korea (KOR) 2.1
14.06 - 22.06 Tour de Suisse (SUI) 2.UWT
17.06 - 22.06 Tour of Iran (Azarbaijan) (IRI) 2.1
18.06 - 22.06 Ster ZLM Toer GP Jan van Heeswijk (NED) 2.1
19.06 - 22.06 Tour de Slovénie (SLO) 2.1
20.06 - 22.06 Route du Sud - la Dépêche du Midi (FRA) 2.1

In red tours we are sure we will ride. The problem for june : there is 10 tours on 20 days, and nothing the last week of the month, CN are 28 or 29 June. I think we can forget Korea. Looks hard to delete ZLM or Route du Sud. Slovenie, Estonia, Iran and Mayenne...maybe some have their place in calendar, but where ? With how many fields ? With how many teams on these fields ? If it is to see Dauphiné, TDS and Luxembourg suffer,it can be nice to already know what we draw and what we don't draw.

[Hunsrueck]

Start with Tour de Luxembourg

Prologue 3 km

http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... ension=c4f

Stage 1
Hilly Km 173
MinTakt Km 163

http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... ension=c4f

Stage 2
Hill Km 157
MinTakt Km 142

http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... ension=c4f

Stage 3
Hill Km 205
Min Takt Km 170

http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... ension=c4f

Stage 4
Hill Km 168
Min Takt 132

http://www.radsportfreaks.de/radsport/p ... ension=c4f

[IDF]

28.05 - 01.06 Bayern Rundfahrt (GER) 2.HC
28.05 - 01.06 Baloise Belgium Tour (BEL) 2.HC BEL
04.06 - 08.06 Skoda-Tour de Luxembourg (LUX) 2.HC
05.06 - 07-06 Tour of Estonia (EST) 2.1 3days.. if there are TT and no half-stages.. maybe create half stages for this tour ?
05.06 - 08.06 Boucles de la Mayenne (FRA) 2.1
08.06 - 15.06 Critérium du Dauphiné (FRA) 2.UWT
08.06 - 15.06 Tour de Korea (KOR) 2.1 --> maybe for off season ? or when we have 7 days without tour?
14.06 - 22.06 Tour de Suisse (SUI) 2.UWT
17.06 - 22.06 Tour of Iran (Azarbaijan) (IRI) 2.1 off season ?
18.06 - 22.06 Ster ZLM Toer GP Jan van Heeswijk (NED) 2.1
19.06 - 22.06 Tour de Slovénie (SLO) 2.1 Same than Estonie? And so put him at the end of this month?
20.06 - 22.06 Route du Sud - la Dépêche du Midi (FRA) 2.1

[Rockstar Inc]

28.05 - 01.06 Bayern Rundfahrt (GER) 2.HC ride
28.05 - 01.06 Baloise Belgium Tour (BEL) 2.HC BEL ride
04.06 - 08.06 Skoda-Tour de Luxembourg (LUX) 2.HC ride
05.06 - 07-06 Tour of Estonia (EST) 2.1 ride
05.06 - 08.06 Boucles de la Mayenne (FRA) 2.1 cut
08.06 - 15.06 Critérium du Dauphiné (FRA) 2.UWT ride
08.06 - 15.06 Tour de Korea (KOR) 2.1 cut
14.06 - 22.06 Tour de Suisse (SUI) 2.UWT ride
17.06 - 22.06 Tour of Iran (Azarbaijan) (IRI) 2.1 cut
18.06 - 22.06 Ster ZLM Toer GP Jan van Heeswijk (NED) 2.1 ride
19.06 - 22.06 Tour de Slovénie (SLO) 2.1 cut
20.06 - 22.06 Route du Sud - la Dépêche du Midi (FRA) 2.1 ride

first thought
cut the money tours...estonia could be ok, cause you got two options: riding lux + suisse or riding estonia + dauphine..ster + route sud max 3 editions...cause // to suisse(one of the main tours un june)

[Pokemon Club]

usual problem with Korean stuff RFM, we can't draw anything in this place. I am not for ZLM + Route du Sud // TDS, it makes too much fields IMO. Between the end of TDS and CN we have 6 free days (23.06-28.06) without any tours, not sure it is a good idea, but we can case 2 3 days tour (Estonia/Route du Sud) here. Or 2 tours with max 3 editions on that date.

[olmania]

Tour of Estonia, better put it in 2 single one-day race. it will be the 1day races these days.

Then, we can move a tour from a date to another, if it's a small one, we can advance/delay it for few days maybe.

[Rockstar Inc]

estonia as single races...sounds good...

moving races...hmm hurts my stomach a bit...we should try to ride every our at the possible real date..only really seldom move or change it

[luques]

estonia as single races...sounds good...

moving races...hmm hurts my stomach a bit...we should try to ride every our at the possible real date..only really seldom move or change it

Estonia as single races is one of the ugliest ideas ever.
At least have the decency to not call it Tour of Estonia. The Tour of Estonia is not single races, it'a tour with GC, green jersey, red jersey, white and team, 3 single races have nothing to do with this. They are just some races draw from a designer casually all in Estonia that someone wanted to put one after the other.

[luques]

estonia as single races...sounds good...

moving races...hmm hurts my stomach a bit...we should try to ride every our at the possible real date..only really seldom move or change it

Estonia as single races is one of the ugliest ideas ever.
At least have the decency to not call it Tour of Estonia. The Tour of Estonia is not single races, it'a tour with GC, green jersey, red jersey, white and team, 3 single races have nothing to do with this. They are just some races draw from a designer casually all in Estonia that someone wanted to put one after the other.

Moreover just noticed that the Tour of Estonia is 30/05, in parallel with 2 other tours already scheduled... Moving it and also splitting it into single races? At this point just move it somewhere where you don't need to split.

[NoPikouze]

Basically the guideline is to ride only important stuff. Like world tour, HC and other races in which real proteams participate.

When you start putting in some shit races because someone likes that race or wants a short tour at that date... it kills the whole guideline for the next months. So you should stick to the guideline. Period.
Until there is really nothing serious to ride.

[Pokemon Club]

Basically the guideline is to ride only important stuff. Like world tour, HC and other races in which real proteams participate.

When you start putting in some shit races because someone likes that race or wants a short tour at that date... it kills the whole guideline for the next months. So you should stick to the guideline. Period.
Until there is really nothing serious to ride.

+1

Anyway, don't forget the calendar preview leso ^^

[lesossies]

Ok I´ll work on preview today.

I could draw the Dauphiné if nobody doesn´t

[Pokemon Club]

Ok I´ll work on preview today.

I could draw the Dauphiné if nobody doesn´t

OL already start Dauphine.

[olmania]

04.06 - 08.06 Skoda-Tour de Luxembourg (LUX) 2.HC
05.06 - 07-06 Tour of Estonia (EST) 2.1
05.06 - 08.06 Boucles de la Mayenne (FRA) 2.1
08.06 - 15.06 Critérium du Dauphiné (FRA) 2.UWT
08.06 - 15.06 Tour de Korea (KOR) 2.1
14.06 - 22.06 Tour de Suisse (SUI) 2.UWT
17.06 - 22.06 Tour of Iran (Azarbaijan) (IRI) 2.1
18.06 - 22.06 Ster ZLM Toer GP Jan van Heeswijk (NED) 2.1
19.06 - 22.06 Tour de Slovénie (SLO) 2.1
20.06 - 22.06 Route du Sud - la Dépêche du Midi (FRA) 2.1

From what we are about to design, it seems that people could do :

04.06 - 08.06 Skoda-Tour de Luxembourg (LUX) 2.HC + 14.06 - 22.06 Tour de Suisse (SUI) 2.UWT

or :

08.06 - 15.06 Critérium du Dauphiné (FRA) 2.UWT + 18.06 - 22.06 Ster ZLM Toer GP Jan van Heeswijk (NED) 2.1 or 20.06 - 22.06 Route du Sud - la Dépêche du Midi (FRA) 2.1 (these last 2 tours will need only 2 (or max3) times).

What do you think about adding a tour (Mayenne, or Slovenia (if we accept to ride it a different days)) betweem the 08.06 and the 14.06 ? or in // or Luxembourg, so people who ride Suisse could have choice between 2 tours (with 2-3times max) as people for Dauphiné will have.

Other option could be to make Route du Sud start 23.06 (I am not pro this idea).

[Pokemon Club]

Imo no need another tour // Luxembourg or between Luxembourg and TdS.
I am not really for TdS // ZLM // Route du Sud too.
And finally nothing between 23.06 and 28.06 ?

[olmania]

Well, I think we can delete all cat 2.2 tours. Dauphine which overlap with TDS of course. Let's ride Luxembourg / ZLM / Route du Sud sure in calendar.

I am not really for TdS // ZLM // Route du Sud too.

So, don't draw Route du Sud then ... or we post pone it and ride it from 26th (Championships the 25th maybe ?)

[Pokemon Club]

Well, I think we can delete all cat 2.2 tours. Dauphine which overlap with TDS of course. Let's ride Luxembourg / ZLM / Route du Sud sure in calendar.

I am not really for TdS // ZLM // Route du Sud too.

So, don't draw Route du Sud then ... or we post pone it and ride it from 26th (Championships the 25th maybe ?)

CN are 29.06

[olmania]

So, Route du Sud could be from 24th then
We could put 5times for it as there would be nothing in //

Or other option, if we decide to move a bit the dates, Slovenia // Route du Sud on these days (with 3times each)