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Re: Training
Training 12.2.2013:
Shane Hmiel Berg: +1
Brandon MacReynolds Flach: +1
Brandon MacReynolds Sprint: +1
Roman Bezjak Flach: -1
Dominik Vilkovik Berg: +1
Arvydas Gardzijauskas Flach: +1
Vasja Rupnik Zeit: -1
Dalibor Galovec Abfahrt: -1
PerGunnar Tverendahl Flach: -1
Jaroslav Bozovic Flach: +1
Senad Hasic Abfahrt: -1
Senad Hasic Zeit: -1
Robert Sarbek Flach: +1
Erik Hlohovsky Berg: +1
ok training
Shane Hmiel Berg: +1
Brandon MacReynolds Flach: +1
Brandon MacReynolds Sprint: +1
Roman Bezjak Flach: -1
Dominik Vilkovik Berg: +1
Arvydas Gardzijauskas Flach: +1
Vasja Rupnik Zeit: -1
Dalibor Galovec Abfahrt: -1
PerGunnar Tverendahl Flach: -1
Jaroslav Bozovic Flach: +1
Senad Hasic Abfahrt: -1
Senad Hasic Zeit: -1
Robert Sarbek Flach: +1
Erik Hlohovsky Berg: +1
ok training
Team : SM Team
Victoires d'étape : 374 ; dont les 5 monuments et les 3 GTs !
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Hall of Fame : Katrasnik: 26724 pts
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Re: Training
Training 12.2.2013:
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Flach: -1
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Abfahrt: -1
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Zeit: -1
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Sprint: -1
David Benioff Abfahrt: -1
Jeremy Renner Flach: +1
Evan Midlarsky Flach: +1
Tom Henderson Flach: +1
Misha Collins Flach: +1
Eric Kripke Zeit: +1
Renner nice...Collins, Henderson till now without fail...maybe these two train better then this lame 85,86 flat generation
Frescobaldi trained negative very fast...too bad hoped to have a him a little bit stronger @Het Volk
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Flach: -1
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Abfahrt: -1
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Zeit: -1
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Sprint: -1
David Benioff Abfahrt: -1
Jeremy Renner Flach: +1
Evan Midlarsky Flach: +1
Tom Henderson Flach: +1
Misha Collins Flach: +1
Eric Kripke Zeit: +1
Renner nice...Collins, Henderson till now without fail...maybe these two train better then this lame 85,86 flat generation

Frescobaldi trained negative very fast...too bad hoped to have a him a little bit stronger @Het Volk
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Re: Training
Ayrton SennaDaSilva Zeit: -1
Kyle Brathwaite Berg: +1
Obadele Brathwaite Sprint: +1
Michael Brathwaite Flach: -1
Michael Brathwaite Abfahrt: -1
Groucho Marx Berg: +1
Groucho Marx Flach: +1
Someone explains to me if there is a "train effect". When kyle was the only one climber, he doesn't train at all with 70%. Now that in the team there is "The Beast" he reaches 84 in Climbing. And 59 in flat. with 11% in Mountain and 3% in flat.
Kyle Brathwaite Berg: +1
Obadele Brathwaite Sprint: +1
Michael Brathwaite Flach: -1
Michael Brathwaite Abfahrt: -1
Groucho Marx Berg: +1
Groucho Marx Flach: +1
Someone explains to me if there is a "train effect". When kyle was the only one climber, he doesn't train at all with 70%. Now that in the team there is "The Beast" he reaches 84 in Climbing. And 59 in flat. with 11% in Mountain and 3% in flat.
Re: Training
what a good guy this ArcangeloRockstar Inc wrote:Training 12.2.2013:
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Flach: -1
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Abfahrt: -1
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Zeit: -1
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Sprint: -1
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Re: Training
Training 20.2.2013:
Itoko Osakabe Abfahrt: -1
Maya Natsume Berg: +1
Mikoto Suou Flach: +1
Eri Sawachika Berg: +1
Eri Sawachika Flach: +1
Sakura Yoshino Abfahrt: -1
Sakura Yoshino Zeit: -1
Sasakura Youko Abfahrt: -1
Mai Otsuka Berg: +1
The game has a problem with me or ? 3 66% flat miss by Akira this month, 2 63% for Yakumo (when Tenma miss 3/4 at the same age), the same Tenm who is block at 84 mount at 25 yo, STOP GIVE ME TRAINING FOR GIRLS WHO HAVEN'T NECESSITY TO TRAIN !
Itoko Osakabe Abfahrt: -1
Maya Natsume Berg: +1
Mikoto Suou Flach: +1
Eri Sawachika Berg: +1
Eri Sawachika Flach: +1
Sakura Yoshino Abfahrt: -1
Sakura Yoshino Zeit: -1
Sasakura Youko Abfahrt: -1
Mai Otsuka Berg: +1
The game has a problem with me or ? 3 66% flat miss by Akira this month, 2 63% for Yakumo (when Tenma miss 3/4 at the same age), the same Tenm who is block at 84 mount at 25 yo, STOP GIVE ME TRAINING FOR GIRLS WHO HAVEN'T NECESSITY TO TRAIN !
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Re: Training
he did it againcataracs wrote:what a good guy this ArcangeloRockstar Inc wrote:Training 12.2.2013:
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Flach: -1
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Abfahrt: -1
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Zeit: -1
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Sprint: -1

Training 20.2.2013:
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Berg: -1
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Flach: -1
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Abfahrt: -1
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Zeit: -1
Wesley Zwizanski Flach: +1
Colin Cunningham Berg: +1
Ted Blatchford Abfahrt: -1
Evan Midlarsky Flach: +1
Tom Henderson Flach: +1
Misha Collins Flach: +1
Eric Kripke Berg: +1
Eric Kripke Zeit: +1
Connugham cool...Henderson, Collins want to become real flatriders it seems...Zwizanski nice
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Re: Training
Training 20.2.2013:
Shane Hmiel Berg: +1
Brandon MacReynolds Flach: +1
Brandon MacReynolds Sprint: +1
Vasja Rupnik Flach: -1
Ondrej Kapovnik Abfahrt: -1
Senad Hasic Berg: -1
John Sowerby Zeit: +1
Robert Sarbek Flach: +1
Brad Keselowski Flach: +1
Pavol Skvarka Flach: +1
Ok training
Shane Hmiel Berg: +1
Brandon MacReynolds Flach: +1
Brandon MacReynolds Sprint: +1
Vasja Rupnik Flach: -1
Ondrej Kapovnik Abfahrt: -1
Senad Hasic Berg: -1
John Sowerby Zeit: +1
Robert Sarbek Flach: +1
Brad Keselowski Flach: +1
Pavol Skvarka Flach: +1
Ok training
Team : SM Team
Victoires d'étape : 374 ; dont les 5 monuments et les 3 GTs !
Hall of Fame : Katrasnik: 26724 pts
Victoires d'étape : 374 ; dont les 5 monuments et les 3 GTs !
Hall of Fame : Katrasnik: 26724 pts
Re: Training
Training 20.2.2013:
Willy Telavi Berg: +1
Gerkan Brideliu Abfahrt: -1
Joey Kiripani Berg: +1
Joey Kiripani Abfahrt: -1
Bogdan Truciu Berg: +1
Filoimea Telito Flach: +1
Mikhail Potrov Flach: +1
Cristian Coldekiu Zeit: -1
Cristian Coldekiu Sprint: -1
Alexiu Cristeliu Zeit: -1
Cekian Noakiu Berg: -1
Cekian Noakiu Zeit: -1
Cekian Noakiu Sprint: -1
Iakoba Italeli Flach: +1
Sergey Stepanov Berg: +1
Sergey Stepanov Flach: +1
Hessem Radinescuoi Berg: +1
Hessem Radinescuoi Zeit: +1
Good training (Bogdan,Joey)... Hessem 80 TT , 58 mountain , very good.
, Potrov 83 flat yeah baby.
Willy Telavi Berg: +1
Gerkan Brideliu Abfahrt: -1
Joey Kiripani Berg: +1
Joey Kiripani Abfahrt: -1
Bogdan Truciu Berg: +1
Filoimea Telito Flach: +1
Mikhail Potrov Flach: +1
Cristian Coldekiu Zeit: -1
Cristian Coldekiu Sprint: -1
Alexiu Cristeliu Zeit: -1
Cekian Noakiu Berg: -1
Cekian Noakiu Zeit: -1
Cekian Noakiu Sprint: -1
Iakoba Italeli Flach: +1
Sergey Stepanov Berg: +1
Sergey Stepanov Flach: +1
Hessem Radinescuoi Berg: +1
Hessem Radinescuoi Zeit: +1
Good training (Bogdan,Joey)... Hessem 80 TT , 58 mountain , very good.

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Re: Training
Not really a dream training...Training 20.2.2013:
Bang Gong Berg: -1
Bang Gong Flach: -1
Bang Gong Abfahrt: -1
Bang Gong Zeit: -1
Bang Gong Sprint: -1
Markku Yrjönpoika Berg: -1
Markku Yrjönpoika Abfahrt: -1
Markku Yrjönpoika Zeit: -1
Yaya Toure Flach: -1
Yaya Toure Abfahrt: -1
Zenzo Yamada Flach: -1
Zenzo Yamada Sprint: -1
Narcisse Pellevoisin Flach: +1
Hanspeter Peterhans Flach: +1
Coolboy Zibi Berg: +1
Coolboy Zibi Flach: +1
Kraftsystemrevision! Include the distance!
Basics reform: Give blue a chance!
Don't punish bugusers. We all have to use bugs, since most of them are declared as "features"!
Got a carrot from FL. But they threaten to take it away now.
Basics reform: Give blue a chance!
Don't punish bugusers. We all have to use bugs, since most of them are declared as "features"!
Got a carrot from FL. But they threaten to take it away now.
Re: Training
He's as good as Don Quijote has been yesterdayteam fl wrote:Roy is as good as Don Quijote! Yay!

Re: Training
Alkworld wrote:He's as good as Don Quijote has been yesterdayteam fl wrote:Roy is as good as Don Quijote! Yay!. It seems to help to have Sancho Panza now in the team.
FFFFFFuuuuuuuuck!
I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said.
Re: Training
Training 20.2.2013:
Danut Catana Berg: +1 ... first +1berg from 5.11.2012
86 53 70 58 53 55reg
Dan Anghelache Berg: +1 ... 83berg at 23y
Iker Ibarra Abfahrt: -1
Fanando Santos Sprint: -1
Nicolae Vasilescu Flach: -1
Danut Catana Berg: +1 ... first +1berg from 5.11.2012

Dan Anghelache Berg: +1 ... 83berg at 23y

Iker Ibarra Abfahrt: -1
Fanando Santos Sprint: -1
Nicolae Vasilescu Flach: -1
Re: Training
Buttu now does flat... a bit late, but ok. Tasman double this time, Avranescu refuses 86% flat for the second time in a row, grrrrr. Zibi double as expected. Narcisse continues, very nice guy. Thanks to Buttu finally ok I think, the oldies not with too much down too.Training 27.2.2013:
Bang Gong Flach: -1
Markku Yrjönpoika Berg: -1
Markku Yrjönpoika Abfahrt: -1
Markku Yrjönpoika Zeit: -1
Yaya Toure Berg: -1
Yaya Toure Sprint: -1
Zenzo Yamada Abfahrt: -1
Nicola Buttu Flach: +1
Narcisse Pellevoisin Flach: +1
Abel Tasman Berg: +1
Abel Tasman Sprint: +1
Hanspeter Peterhans Flach: +1
Coolboy Zibi Berg: +1
Coolboy Zibi Flach: +1
Kraftsystemrevision! Include the distance!
Basics reform: Give blue a chance!
Don't punish bugusers. We all have to use bugs, since most of them are declared as "features"!
Got a carrot from FL. But they threaten to take it away now.
Basics reform: Give blue a chance!
Don't punish bugusers. We all have to use bugs, since most of them are declared as "features"!
Got a carrot from FL. But they threaten to take it away now.
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Re: Training
Training 27.2.2013:
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Sprint: -1
Nathan Bloodgood Flach: +1
Nathan Bloodgood Zeit: -1
Nathan Bloodgood Sprint: +1
Evan Midlarsky Flach: +1
Misha Collins Flach: +1
Eric Kripke Berg: +1
Eric Kripke Zeit: +1
Collins nice....and Bloodgood seems to have heard the rumors about a mega-trade and want me to know that he's good enough...and there is no need for a replacement
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Sprint: -1
Nathan Bloodgood Flach: +1
Nathan Bloodgood Zeit: -1
Nathan Bloodgood Sprint: +1
Evan Midlarsky Flach: +1
Misha Collins Flach: +1
Eric Kripke Berg: +1
Eric Kripke Zeit: +1
Collins nice....and Bloodgood seems to have heard the rumors about a mega-trade and want me to know that he's good enough...and there is no need for a replacement
"I'm an old-school sprinter. I can't climb a mountain but if I am in front with 200 metres to go then there's nobody who can beat me.” Mark Cavendish, at the 2007 Eneco Tour
Re: Training
Mixed results. Picasso really sucked with losing the three important skills right away, Narino and Echevarria already lost a bit much flat and CaCe was really bad considering his young age. Highlights were Don Quijote and Sancho Panza (4/4), who only needed to be together apparently, and Federico, who turned even more into a useful allround rider.Training 5.2.2013 - 27.2.2013:
Antonio Narino (35) Flach: -3, Abfahrt: -2, Zeit: -2, Sprint: -1
Esteban Echeverria (35) Flach: -2, Berg: -2, Abfahrt: -1, Zeit: -1, Sprint: -1
Pablo Picasso (33) Berg: -1, Flach: -1, Abfahrt: -1
Pedro Almodovar (33) Flach: -1
Juan Montalvo (31) Abfahrt: -2, Zeit: -1
Jorge CarreraAndrade (30) Zeit: -1
Don Quijote (27) Sprint: +1, Berg: +1
Francisco Santander (26) Berg: +1
Caetano Veloso (25) Berg: +1
Federico GarciaLorca (24) Berg: +2, Abfahrt: -1, Sprint: +2
Carlos Cespedes (23) Flach: +1
Eloy GutierrezMenoyo (22) Flach: +3, Berg: +1
George Orwell (22) Sprint: +3
Sancho Panza (21) Berg: +4, Flach: +4
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Re: Training
Gerard Fournier Zeit: -1
Ayrton SennaDaSilva Berg: +1
Aaron Brathwaite Flach: +1
Aaron Brathwaite Zeit: -1
Obadele Brathwaite Sprint: +1
Groucho Marx Berg: +1
Groucho Marx Flach: +1
I'm noticing a strange thing.
when Kyle race together with Gerard Fournier, he starts to train mountain (2 in a row).
Now Ayrton is racing with Gerard: 2 mountain in a row, despite his 30 years.
And i noticed that the 36yo Gerard will start as 89-63. What a beast
Ayrton SennaDaSilva Berg: +1
Aaron Brathwaite Flach: +1
Aaron Brathwaite Zeit: -1
Obadele Brathwaite Sprint: +1
Groucho Marx Berg: +1
Groucho Marx Flach: +1
I'm noticing a strange thing.
when Kyle race together with Gerard Fournier, he starts to train mountain (2 in a row).
Now Ayrton is racing with Gerard: 2 mountain in a row, despite his 30 years.
And i noticed that the 36yo Gerard will start as 89-63. What a beast
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Re: Training
Training February
Charles Timonier (26) : + 4 Berg --> 73. Amazing month for him;
Matthieu Deroy (22) : +4 Sprint --> 89. Pretty good also.
Georg Preidler (23) : +3 Berg --> 83. Great Job.
Jean PetitJean (22) : +4 TT --> 61, +3 Flat --> 78. A bit more than expected. On time on TT training.
Jolien Maréchal (27) : +1 Flat --> 75. One point was expected. and flat is a good choice.
Thomas Dépucelle (29) +2 Flat --> 81. Really surprising. It's never too late to take some points.
Jéyoun Grossteub : Equal
Terence Vrunethen : Equal
David Jaret (38) : -4 Berg/TT/Sprint,-3 Flat, -1 Down. Funny how he protects his downhill skill.
Franco Delponte (35) : -1 Berg, -2 Flat, -2 Down, -3 TT, -2 Sprint. -10, with statistically -7.... Hard month for him.
Piet Vanhuis (33) : -1 Flat/Sprint, - 2 Down. - 4, statistically -2... Also pretty hard for him.
Yannick Frognet (27) : +1 Sprint. Anecdotic... but maybe what made him win het Volk.
Marissa Lopard (29) : -1 TT. I don't mind.
Tremendous Up training, downtraining a bit harder (as usual), but I can't complain at all.
Charles Timonier (26) : + 4 Berg --> 73. Amazing month for him;
Matthieu Deroy (22) : +4 Sprint --> 89. Pretty good also.
Georg Preidler (23) : +3 Berg --> 83. Great Job.
Jean PetitJean (22) : +4 TT --> 61, +3 Flat --> 78. A bit more than expected. On time on TT training.
Jolien Maréchal (27) : +1 Flat --> 75. One point was expected. and flat is a good choice.
Thomas Dépucelle (29) +2 Flat --> 81. Really surprising. It's never too late to take some points.
Jéyoun Grossteub : Equal
Terence Vrunethen : Equal
David Jaret (38) : -4 Berg/TT/Sprint,-3 Flat, -1 Down. Funny how he protects his downhill skill.
Franco Delponte (35) : -1 Berg, -2 Flat, -2 Down, -3 TT, -2 Sprint. -10, with statistically -7.... Hard month for him.
Piet Vanhuis (33) : -1 Flat/Sprint, - 2 Down. - 4, statistically -2... Also pretty hard for him.
Yannick Frognet (27) : +1 Sprint. Anecdotic... but maybe what made him win het Volk.
Marissa Lopard (29) : -1 TT. I don't mind.
Tremendous Up training, downtraining a bit harder (as usual), but I can't complain at all.
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Training 5.3.2013:
Shane Hmiel Berg: +1
Brandon MacReynolds Flach: +1
Aleksejs Rastorgujevs Zeit: -1
PerGunnar Tverendahl Zeit: -1
PerGunnar Tverendahl Sprint: -1
John Sowerby Abfahrt: -1
John Sowerby Zeit: +1
Erik Hlohovsky Berg: +1
Brad Keselowski Berg: +1
Brad Keselowski Flach: +1
Pavol Skvarka Abfahrt: -1
Matt Kurzejewski Berg: +1
Matt Kurzejewski Flach: +1
Laszlo Szabiczok Berg: +1
Laszlo Szabiczok Flach: +1
Keselowski! 57/57 93 sprint
Shane Hmiel Berg: +1
Brandon MacReynolds Flach: +1
Aleksejs Rastorgujevs Zeit: -1
PerGunnar Tverendahl Zeit: -1
PerGunnar Tverendahl Sprint: -1
John Sowerby Abfahrt: -1
John Sowerby Zeit: +1
Erik Hlohovsky Berg: +1
Brad Keselowski Berg: +1
Brad Keselowski Flach: +1
Pavol Skvarka Abfahrt: -1
Matt Kurzejewski Berg: +1
Matt Kurzejewski Flach: +1
Laszlo Szabiczok Berg: +1
Laszlo Szabiczok Flach: +1
Keselowski! 57/57 93 sprint
Team : SM Team
Victoires d'étape : 374 ; dont les 5 monuments et les 3 GTs !
Hall of Fame : Katrasnik: 26724 pts
Victoires d'étape : 374 ; dont les 5 monuments et les 3 GTs !
Hall of Fame : Katrasnik: 26724 pts
Re: Training
Scodreanu 71 now, excellent. He wants the Giro it seems. And Peterhans up to 85 flat.Training 5.3.2013:
Bang Gong Flach: -1
Bang Gong Zeit: -1
Yaya Toure Berg: -1
Yaya Toure Flach: -1
Zenzo Yamada Abfahrt: -1
Zenzo Yamada Zeit: -1
Pompiliu Scodreanu Berg: +1
Abel Tasman Berg: +1
Abel Tasman Sprint: +1
Hanspeter Peterhans Flach: +1
Coolboy Zibi Berg: +1
Coolboy Zibi Flach: +1
Patricio Bochini Berg: +1
Patricio Bochini Flach: +1
Tasman double, good, Zibi double too, Avranescu still boycots flat though.
Kraftsystemrevision! Include the distance!
Basics reform: Give blue a chance!
Don't punish bugusers. We all have to use bugs, since most of them are declared as "features"!
Got a carrot from FL. But they threaten to take it away now.
Basics reform: Give blue a chance!
Don't punish bugusers. We all have to use bugs, since most of them are declared as "features"!
Got a carrot from FL. But they threaten to take it away now.
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Re: Training
Training 5.3.2013:
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Berg: -1
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Zeit: -1
Ted Blatchford Flach: +1
Evan Midlarsky Flach: +1
Tom Henderson Flach: +1
Tom Henderson Abfahrt: -1
Sterling West Flach: +1
Jeff Hunter Flach: +1
Jeff Hunter Sprint: +1
Eric Kripke Zeit: +1
Blatchford finally one more flat...
Henderson 57/86 good
West finally with 87 flat
Young sprinter double...
ok
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Berg: -1
Arcangelo Frescobaldi Zeit: -1
Ted Blatchford Flach: +1
Evan Midlarsky Flach: +1
Tom Henderson Flach: +1
Tom Henderson Abfahrt: -1
Sterling West Flach: +1
Jeff Hunter Flach: +1
Jeff Hunter Sprint: +1
Eric Kripke Zeit: +1
Blatchford finally one more flat...
Henderson 57/86 good
West finally with 87 flat
Young sprinter double...
ok
"I'm an old-school sprinter. I can't climb a mountain but if I am in front with 200 metres to go then there's nobody who can beat me.” Mark Cavendish, at the 2007 Eneco Tour
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Re: Training
Kyle Brathwaite Berg: +1
Mark Huges Abfahrt: -1
Mark Huges Sprint: -1
Groucho Marx Flach: +1
Harpo Marx Berg: +1
Harpo Marx Flach: +1
Chico Marx Berg: +1
Chico Marx Flach: +1
Gerard Fournier Berg: 0
Gerard Fournier Flach: 0
Gerard Fournier Abfahrt: 0
Gerard Fournier Zeit: 0
Gerard Fournier Sprint: 0
Wow.
Simply Bugged
Mark Huges Abfahrt: -1
Mark Huges Sprint: -1
Groucho Marx Flach: +1
Harpo Marx Berg: +1
Harpo Marx Flach: +1
Chico Marx Berg: +1
Chico Marx Flach: +1
Gerard Fournier Berg: 0
Gerard Fournier Flach: 0
Gerard Fournier Abfahrt: 0
Gerard Fournier Zeit: 0
Gerard Fournier Sprint: 0
Wow.
Simply Bugged
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Re: Training
Training 5.3.2013:
Eri Sawachika Berg: +1
Akira Takano Flach: +1
Sakura Yoshino Abfahrt: -1
Sasakura Youko Berg: +1
Tenma 11/21 mountain training, hopeless girl
Yakumo 10/13 mountain training, looks the no training show starts for her too
And Sakura who haveonly ddowntraining since she has 26 yo,a joke too
Eri Sawachika Berg: +1
Akira Takano Flach: +1
Sakura Yoshino Abfahrt: -1
Sasakura Youko Berg: +1
Tenma 11/21 mountain training, hopeless girl
Yakumo 10/13 mountain training, looks the no training show starts for her too
And Sakura who haveonly ddowntraining since she has 26 yo,a joke too
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