Points and money for jerseys during tours
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Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
thank you
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Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
excellent work buh, except that you wrote the whole think in the wrong thread, which is about something else.
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Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
Excellent work of leso!
Expect the comment in this thread, this was my work
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Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
Just about the proposal from Roby, about changed the team classment:
Font is le Tour de France homepage
Of all the individual sports, cycling is certainly the one in which the collective dimension plays the biggest role. As a result, the team classification, a discrete affair at first glance, is at the heart of many strategies. Here’s why…
The honour of the podium on the Champs-Elysées
It is rare that a team starts the Tour de France with the ambition of winning this secondary classification, when all eyes are understandably more focused on the Yellow Jersey for the general individual time classification. However, it is a competition in which appetite is whetted by success, once a team finds itself in a good position after overcoming some of the difficulties along the route. Last year, RadioShack triumphed, to follow on from the winners of the last ten editions: Kelme (2000-2001), ONCE (2002), CSC (2003), T-Mobile (2004, 2005, and 2006), Discovery Channel (2007), CSC-Saxo Bank (2008) and Astana (2009).
After falling twice during the eighth stage leading to the Rousses ski resort in Morzine-Avoriaz, Lance Armstrong immediately drew his source for motivation from the team classification, to replace his initial objective. Since he was taking part in his last Tour de France, he was determined to finish, in spite of everything, with the honour of being acclaimed by the crowd on the final podium on the Champs-Elysées.
Before being celebrated on the world’s most beautiful avenue, the leaders of the team classification have the distinction of wearing a yellow bib number, set up in 2006, whereas until 1990, the Tour de France organisers presented the leading team with yellow caps, made popular by Bernard Hinault. It was Hinault who gave this competition its letters of nobility by winning it with La Vie Claire in 1985 and 1986. In the 1970’s and 1980’s, there was a team points classification, but the formula was abandoned to avoid confusion.
It influences how the race develops
The team classification is established by adding the three best individual times from each team on each stage. As a result, the teams concerned owe it to themselves to put riders in the breakaways during what are known as the transition stages, and a form of marking develops, sometimes with extremely positive results, like on the stage of the 2010 Tour, between Chambery and Gap: sent to take part in a breakaway by Armstrong, Sergio Paulinho did not leave any room for manoeuvre for Vassil Kiryienka, a member of the Caisse d’Epargne team who at that point in the race led the RadioShack team by 31 seconds in the team classification. The two men stuck to each other like glue to such an extent that they distanced their companions in the breakaway and battled between themselves for the stage victory, which in the end went to the Portuguese rider.
Weakened by falls, Armstrong put his old soldiers, Andreas Klöden, Levi Leipheimer and Chris Horner, to work to make sure they recorded better times than their Spanish rivals in the difficult stages, until he managed to regain his strength and set off up the Aubisque pass with Horner, in a breakaway that also included two Caisse d’Epargne riders: Ruben Plaza and Christophe Moreau. This manoeuvre allowed the American champion to dream of a stage victory, but Frenchmen Pierrick Fédrigo and Sandy Casar turned out to be too fast for him on the sprint in Pau.
Sometimes the team classification dictates how the protagonists ride in the last stages of the race and prevents a competitor from gaining places in the general individual classification: in such a case, the leaders of the team classification hit the front of the pack behind the breakaway to reduce the gap and torpedo attacks that do not concern the same classification, due to diverging interests.
Cycling is a collective sport
Often perceived as an individual sport because its most legendary exploits feature a sole rider out in front or a head to head battle, cycling is nonetheless collective in nature. The athlete’s performance stems primarily from a structure in which coaching and logistics occupy a predominant place. It is supplemented by solidarity between team-mates, whose role is to put their leader in the position to win. Apart from several exceptions such as Greg LeMond, who won the 1989 Tour de France with a poor quality team (ADR), with only two team-mates finishing in Paris, a Tour de France winner is generally well looked after. Even though the team classification may be abandoned, by design or by force, by certain teams with other priorities at a given moment, it is systematically won by teams of the greatest esteem, which is not to be sniffed at when taking stock at the end of the race.
It can qualify a team for the following Tour de France
The team classification for the Tour de France underway involves honours and prizes (2,800 euros on each stage for the day’s best team, 50,000 euros for the team that wins the general classification and a total of 176,000 euros distributed over 21 days), but also points in the performance evaluation system set up at the end of 2010 by the International Cycling Union in order to establish a league table of the teams for the next season.
The team classifications of the leading races are taken into consideration, along with other criteria, to determine the 18 teams labelled UCI Pro Teams that are given de facto access to World Tour events and consequently the Tour de France. It is therefore in the interest of the teams in competition to score points in this type of classification, deemed secondary but which is in fact fundamental to how the sport of cycling operates.
In Asia, it is more important than the general individual classification!
Though cycling is globalising, it is not perceived in strictly the same manner on all continents. In Asia, where the experts are predicting a bright future for the discipline, the team classification is deemed to be the most important goal. In particular, for the Iranians, who run the progressive classification for the Asia Tour, participating in a stage race means concentrating first and foremost on the team classification, which enables them to promote their performances in the eyes of their countrymen and women. They sometimes abandon objectives in the general individual time classification, which puzzles certain European teams taking part in Asian events. International development of cycling also involves appealing to the Chinese and Indians, amongst others, who do not have the same sporting culture as those from the countries known as traditional cycling nations.
Font is le Tour de France homepage
Of all the individual sports, cycling is certainly the one in which the collective dimension plays the biggest role. As a result, the team classification, a discrete affair at first glance, is at the heart of many strategies. Here’s why…
The honour of the podium on the Champs-Elysées
It is rare that a team starts the Tour de France with the ambition of winning this secondary classification, when all eyes are understandably more focused on the Yellow Jersey for the general individual time classification. However, it is a competition in which appetite is whetted by success, once a team finds itself in a good position after overcoming some of the difficulties along the route. Last year, RadioShack triumphed, to follow on from the winners of the last ten editions: Kelme (2000-2001), ONCE (2002), CSC (2003), T-Mobile (2004, 2005, and 2006), Discovery Channel (2007), CSC-Saxo Bank (2008) and Astana (2009).
After falling twice during the eighth stage leading to the Rousses ski resort in Morzine-Avoriaz, Lance Armstrong immediately drew his source for motivation from the team classification, to replace his initial objective. Since he was taking part in his last Tour de France, he was determined to finish, in spite of everything, with the honour of being acclaimed by the crowd on the final podium on the Champs-Elysées.
Before being celebrated on the world’s most beautiful avenue, the leaders of the team classification have the distinction of wearing a yellow bib number, set up in 2006, whereas until 1990, the Tour de France organisers presented the leading team with yellow caps, made popular by Bernard Hinault. It was Hinault who gave this competition its letters of nobility by winning it with La Vie Claire in 1985 and 1986. In the 1970’s and 1980’s, there was a team points classification, but the formula was abandoned to avoid confusion.
It influences how the race develops
The team classification is established by adding the three best individual times from each team on each stage. As a result, the teams concerned owe it to themselves to put riders in the breakaways during what are known as the transition stages, and a form of marking develops, sometimes with extremely positive results, like on the stage of the 2010 Tour, between Chambery and Gap: sent to take part in a breakaway by Armstrong, Sergio Paulinho did not leave any room for manoeuvre for Vassil Kiryienka, a member of the Caisse d’Epargne team who at that point in the race led the RadioShack team by 31 seconds in the team classification. The two men stuck to each other like glue to such an extent that they distanced their companions in the breakaway and battled between themselves for the stage victory, which in the end went to the Portuguese rider.
Weakened by falls, Armstrong put his old soldiers, Andreas Klöden, Levi Leipheimer and Chris Horner, to work to make sure they recorded better times than their Spanish rivals in the difficult stages, until he managed to regain his strength and set off up the Aubisque pass with Horner, in a breakaway that also included two Caisse d’Epargne riders: Ruben Plaza and Christophe Moreau. This manoeuvre allowed the American champion to dream of a stage victory, but Frenchmen Pierrick Fédrigo and Sandy Casar turned out to be too fast for him on the sprint in Pau.
Sometimes the team classification dictates how the protagonists ride in the last stages of the race and prevents a competitor from gaining places in the general individual classification: in such a case, the leaders of the team classification hit the front of the pack behind the breakaway to reduce the gap and torpedo attacks that do not concern the same classification, due to diverging interests.
Cycling is a collective sport
Often perceived as an individual sport because its most legendary exploits feature a sole rider out in front or a head to head battle, cycling is nonetheless collective in nature. The athlete’s performance stems primarily from a structure in which coaching and logistics occupy a predominant place. It is supplemented by solidarity between team-mates, whose role is to put their leader in the position to win. Apart from several exceptions such as Greg LeMond, who won the 1989 Tour de France with a poor quality team (ADR), with only two team-mates finishing in Paris, a Tour de France winner is generally well looked after. Even though the team classification may be abandoned, by design or by force, by certain teams with other priorities at a given moment, it is systematically won by teams of the greatest esteem, which is not to be sniffed at when taking stock at the end of the race.
It can qualify a team for the following Tour de France
The team classification for the Tour de France underway involves honours and prizes (2,800 euros on each stage for the day’s best team, 50,000 euros for the team that wins the general classification and a total of 176,000 euros distributed over 21 days), but also points in the performance evaluation system set up at the end of 2010 by the International Cycling Union in order to establish a league table of the teams for the next season.
The team classifications of the leading races are taken into consideration, along with other criteria, to determine the 18 teams labelled UCI Pro Teams that are given de facto access to World Tour events and consequently the Tour de France. It is therefore in the interest of the teams in competition to score points in this type of classification, deemed secondary but which is in fact fundamental to how the sport of cycling operates.
In Asia, it is more important than the general individual classification!
Though cycling is globalising, it is not perceived in strictly the same manner on all continents. In Asia, where the experts are predicting a bright future for the discipline, the team classification is deemed to be the most important goal. In particular, for the Iranians, who run the progressive classification for the Asia Tour, participating in a stage race means concentrating first and foremost on the team classification, which enables them to promote their performances in the eyes of their countrymen and women. They sometimes abandon objectives in the general individual time classification, which puzzles certain European teams taking part in Asian events. International development of cycling also involves appealing to the Chinese and Indians, amongst others, who do not have the same sporting culture as those from the countries known as traditional cycling nations.
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Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
don't really see the connection to my proposal.. which is nothing more than a more logical points/money system, adapt it like it was done to the jerseys...
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Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
the connection is in the pay system, not pro riders at tour end, but pro team, plus a little price pro stage, like in real life...normal the team classment are won from expensive good teams, let a price for the efforts.
by the way..In new zealend, MW price are every stage for the 1-12 teams in classment(12000$ to 1000$)plus finish price.
I prefer this system to reward the expensive teams, that allows intresting fighting race, as the one adopted in this moment!
i copy this reportage, only to say, that also other clasment can be intresting too.
other little things, that i like from MW at tour was the yellows number for the leader team in MW.
by the way..In new zealend, MW price are every stage for the 1-12 teams in classment(12000$ to 1000$)plus finish price.
I prefer this system to reward the expensive teams, that allows intresting fighting race, as the one adopted in this moment!
i copy this reportage, only to say, that also other clasment can be intresting too.
other little things, that i like from MW at tour was the yellows number for the leader team in MW.
Allenatore Italia - Manager Dainese OG 10 bronzo TTT
Manager SantiNelli WC 10/10 argento TT
Manager SantiNelli WC 3/11 6/11Oro TT
Allenatore Italia WC 9/11 Oro RR
Non contare mai il numero dei tuoi avversari... affrontali!
Multi hostes, multus honor
Manager SantiNelli WC 10/10 argento TT
Manager SantiNelli WC 3/11 6/11Oro TT
Allenatore Italia WC 9/11 Oro RR
Non contare mai il numero dei tuoi avversari... affrontali!
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Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
Too much money for shit placements at shit tours.
Change it to this. Final GC money per day, place 1 to 40. At the bottom the total.
now----- cat5 -- cat 4-- cat 3 -- cat 2 -- cat 1
50000 50000 50000 50000 50000 50000
35000 35000 35000 35000 35000 35000
25000 25000 25000 25000 25000 25000
20000 20000 20000 20000 20000 20000
17500 17500 17500 17500 17500 17500
15000 15000 15000 15000 15000 15000
14000 14000 14000 14000 14000 14000
13000 13000 13000 13000 13000 13000
12000 12000 12000 12000 12000 12000
11000 11000 11000 11000 11000 11000
10000 10000 10000 10000 10000 10000
9500 9500 9500 9000 9000 9000
9000 9000 9000 8000 8000 8000
8500 8500 8500 7000 7000 7000
8000 8000 8000 6500 6000 6000
7500 7500 7500 6000 5000 5000
7000 7000 7000 5500 4500 4000
6500 6500 6500 5000 4000 3000
6000 6000 6000 4500 3500 2000
5500 5500 5500 4000 3000 1000
5000 5000 5000 3500 2500 500
4500 4500 4500 3000 2000 0
4000 4000 4000 2500 1500 0
3500 3500 3500 2000 1000 0
3000 3000 3000 1500 500 0
2500 2500 2500 1000 0 0
2000 2000 2000 800 0 0
1500 1500 1500 600 0 0
1000 1000 1000 400 0 0
500 900 800 200 0 0
450 800 600 0 0 0
400 700 400 0 0 0
350 600 300 0 0 0
300 500 200 0 0 0
250 400 100 0 0 0
200 350 0 0 0 0
150 300 0 0 0 0
100 250 0 0 0 0
50 200 0 0 0 0
50 100 0 0 0 0
319'800 322'100 319'400 293'500 280'000 268'000
Change it to this. Final GC money per day, place 1 to 40. At the bottom the total.
now----- cat5 -- cat 4-- cat 3 -- cat 2 -- cat 1
50000 50000 50000 50000 50000 50000
35000 35000 35000 35000 35000 35000
25000 25000 25000 25000 25000 25000
20000 20000 20000 20000 20000 20000
17500 17500 17500 17500 17500 17500
15000 15000 15000 15000 15000 15000
14000 14000 14000 14000 14000 14000
13000 13000 13000 13000 13000 13000
12000 12000 12000 12000 12000 12000
11000 11000 11000 11000 11000 11000
10000 10000 10000 10000 10000 10000
9500 9500 9500 9000 9000 9000
9000 9000 9000 8000 8000 8000
8500 8500 8500 7000 7000 7000
8000 8000 8000 6500 6000 6000
7500 7500 7500 6000 5000 5000
7000 7000 7000 5500 4500 4000
6500 6500 6500 5000 4000 3000
6000 6000 6000 4500 3500 2000
5500 5500 5500 4000 3000 1000
5000 5000 5000 3500 2500 500
4500 4500 4500 3000 2000 0
4000 4000 4000 2500 1500 0
3500 3500 3500 2000 1000 0
3000 3000 3000 1500 500 0
2500 2500 2500 1000 0 0
2000 2000 2000 800 0 0
1500 1500 1500 600 0 0
1000 1000 1000 400 0 0
500 900 800 200 0 0
450 800 600 0 0 0
400 700 400 0 0 0
350 600 300 0 0 0
300 500 200 0 0 0
250 400 100 0 0 0
200 350 0 0 0 0
150 300 0 0 0 0
100 250 0 0 0 0
50 200 0 0 0 0
50 100 0 0 0 0
319'800 322'100 319'400 293'500 280'000 268'000
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Don't punish bugusers. We all have to use bugs, since most of them are declared as "features"!
Got a carrot from FL. But they threaten to take it away now.
Basics reform: Give blue a chance!
Don't punish bugusers. We all have to use bugs, since most of them are declared as "features"!
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Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
Changing points and money is stressfull (because of shit programming) at the moment. So for this i don´t want change it.
Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
I didn't ask you for reasons why you won't do it, I told you to do it 
Kraftsystemrevision! Include the distance!
Basics reform: Give blue a chance!
Don't punish bugusers. We all have to use bugs, since most of them are declared as "features"!
Got a carrot from FL. But they threaten to take it away now.
Basics reform: Give blue a chance!
Don't punish bugusers. We all have to use bugs, since most of them are declared as "features"!
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Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
Sometimes I guess, the "old managers" forget, that there are newbies... 
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Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
That's right. But nowadays there are SO MANY tours and races (weak groups) that newbies also have their chances.
Anyway, most of the shit places which gets money are trusted by helpers of big teams.
It's the same shit for all those mountain jerseys. For sure it can be nice to win it when your team is too weak to have serious stage or gc objectives. But in the end, the winners are often the same big teams who are making even more money and points with this kind of shit.
Anyway, most of the shit places which gets money are trusted by helpers of big teams.
It's the same shit for all those mountain jerseys. For sure it can be nice to win it when your team is too weak to have serious stage or gc objectives. But in the end, the winners are often the same big teams who are making even more money and points with this kind of shit.
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Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
I get your point of view, but i think different in some ways. I agree, that a 35th place in cat.2 oder cat.1-tours should not giveany money in purpose because 500 bucks doesn't help anyone. And if the field is splitted into two parts, it also will make sense.NoPikouze wrote:That's right. But nowadays there are SO MANY tours and races (weak groups) that newbies also have their chances.
Anyway, most of the shit places which gets money are trusted by helpers of big teams.
It's the same shit for all those mountain jerseys. For sure it can be nice to win it when your team is too weak to have serious stage or gc objectives. But in the end, the winners are often the same big teams who are making even more money and points with this kind of shit.
But the problem is, that newbies need a bit more time to get all functions than others. Especially when the field is not splitted at all.
One false decision, one false wheel and all chances to get an Top10 place are over.
For a team or teamchef with several hundred races, with a team of 12, 15 or more riders in his team, it is not that big problem. "Shit i have lost, okay tommorrow other race other riders." But for div 5 or 6 team with maybe 0-20 races, its a problem, because they haven't the success at the beginning, won't get any money to improve their team and so the long time motivation will be lost.
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Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
new teams got so much things blasted in their ass nowadays...thx to a known bugs they are able to buy an elite with riders, which the now old teams have dreamed about in the pastWoddeltown Team wrote:For a team or teamchef with several hundred races, with a team of 12, 15 or more riders in his team, it is not that big problem. "Shit i have lost, okay tommorrow other race other riders." But for div 5 or 6 team with maybe 0-20 races, its a problem, because they haven't the success at the beginning, won't get any money to improve their team and so the long time motivation will be lost.
and the "problem" with the advantages at the youth transfer market for div5...but wrong place to discuss it....@topic: pro ape's purposal
do the 8.000 credits for pos. 13 in the GC really help a team or is the money more or less a nice gift to teams who get pos. 13, next to 3,4,8 and 19?
furthermore...teams with 0-20 races...they shouldn't get a fix "bonus" or a fix "success"...if they are able to collect points, money...cool thing...but the first races are there to learn, to get expirience....
rsf is one of the few browsergames where you can have success in a very short period after starting...
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Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
Yes...if you cut all the money to get one, it is over and it will be difficult to get new teams for a longer periodTeam Franconia wrote: rsf is one of the few browsergames where you can have success in a very short period after starting...
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Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
earn money in races with each other...div6 vs. div6, maybe include the new div7 which will some day be put in...offer more of these races...
but cut these f'n money for senseless positions in the GC...the money doesn't help new teams...this money just blasted the bank account of div2,3,4 or 5 teams who don't fight with the leader for Top 1,2,3 because it's more worth(points, money) having pos. 5,9,10.14.17
but cut these f'n money for senseless positions in the GC...the money doesn't help new teams...this money just blasted the bank account of div2,3,4 or 5 teams who don't fight with the leader for Top 1,2,3 because it's more worth(points, money) having pos. 5,9,10.14.17
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Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
Cut all the money?Woddeltown Team wrote:Yes...if you cut all the money to get one, it is over and it will be difficult to get new teams for a longer periodTeam Franconia wrote: rsf is one of the few browsergames where you can have success in a very short period after starting...
Mmh, reread the proposal, there still is money to be gained
Just checked a bit how it would have been in Champagne
Morning:
Biggest loser: Raben, 10'600 per day less. His result: 7.+15+20.+23+38. Got him 31'600 per day now would only be at 21'000. Over 3 days 31'800 less.
Similar in the other times I checked
Afternoon: 15'050 Radunion.3rd +17+18+20+21+40. He still would win 35'500 a day for the GC though.
18h
HTC -12'500 16+19+23+27, now got him 19'500, would be down to 7000
Didn't check 21, thought enough, but the NoPik race, we have to check, 23h
23h Nantes -15'500 the biggest loss overall. His result: 9+12+18+20+24+27+29+30. My favorite example, 8 riders in the top 30, that gave him 40'500 per day. After 3 days racing, an extra 121'500 credits for.. not really much. That would be down to 20'000 per day, 60k total.
Of the 4 "biggest" losers only 1 seems a "poor new manager" Cycling Team HTC. But since that one IMO is a multi anyway, don't really feel sorry for him. Raben? Been there for ages. Radunion. Definetly not a newcomer. Nantes? A D1 manager. That cutting of money for lesser places wouldn't hit the small managers more than the others. But you say if a Radunion loses 15k, he still get's 30k, a newcomer that only earns 15k then loses 10k of that is hit harder? In a way he is... but only in a way anyway. In fact there are a few cases where new managers (I suppose completely new, never heard of them) lost 100% of their earnings. One lost 2850 per day....another 350.. the highest loss over 5000 in percentage was a veteran again, Wolters who lost 80,95% and lost 8500. Not a big loss, but does his result 19+25+28 really deserve an extra 30k over 3 days? 6k sounds more like it. There simple is no performance that is worth giving him that extra money. And that was a 3 day tour. A D1 manager like Nantes got 120k, the amount of money for a one day or stage win, for not really much. He'd get half. If it's a 6 day tour, like Akropolis will be (or 5? to lazy to check and have to go) he'll "lose" 120k. "only" get 120k at the end instead of 240k as now. Poor guy, for arriving 9+12+18+20+24+27+29+30 he will only get the money for a stage win (120k) instead of the money for 2 stage wins. EXTRA money, let's not forget that, after all he already gets money for his stage performances too.
Let's stop rewarding average performance in tours with big money.
Don't cut the money for stages/one day races. But cut it for the GC, the LOWER places, and according to categories. That's easily earned extra money, for no or little performance.
Kraftsystemrevision! Include the distance!
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Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
Roby is right. too much money around for nothing, especially in small tours.
good proposal.
and nopik is right too:
good proposal.
and nopik is right too:
.But nowadays there are SO MANY tours and races (weak groups) that newbies also have their chances
Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
Fine with everything. But please wait till the Akropolis Tour is overariostea wrote:Roby is right. too much money around for nothing, especially in small tours.
good proposal.
and nopik is right too:.But nowadays there are SO MANY tours and races (weak groups) that newbies also have their chances
I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said.
Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
this should be done here.
another thing:
points for a win in a one day race (kat 1) : 96
points for winning a stage in tour (kat 1): 102
makes no sense too. one day races: everybody riding for the win. stage races: everybody riding for something else, only a few teams riding for a stage win - winning stages often is easier than in one day races, but more points.
but do the Roby-thing first
another thing:
points for a win in a one day race (kat 1) : 96
points for winning a stage in tour (kat 1): 102
makes no sense too. one day races: everybody riding for the win. stage races: everybody riding for something else, only a few teams riding for a stage win - winning stages often is easier than in one day races, but more points.
but do the Roby-thing first
Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
buhmann:
but now it´s holidays! nothin to do - and lot´s of time for buhmann!
ah - did not remember this post...Changing points and money is stressfull (because of shit programming) at the moment. So for this i don´t want change it.
but now it´s holidays! nothin to do - and lot´s of time for buhmann!
Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
I know here is many to do, too. But i think this must wait.But it is not sooo bad at the moment (i hope).
Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
things must wait...no time at the moment? - everybody knows: do not wait till 22nd of dec. to start looking for christmas presents...
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Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
i think also that we must change , fast, the point/money system, and i have a proposal too.
First, is not right that for a 7 days cat.1 tour, a third place give more money then if everybody win a 3 days cat.3 tour, you must chancge the price, based to the cat. too...
second, change the price from place 6 to 40, stop with different price, stop with idiot ride for place 17 again place 19, then destroy the race and GC fight...
i propose place 6 to 10 must pay the same money, after 11 to 20(or 11 to 15/16 to 20) , 21 to 30 and 31 to 40
final GC
cat. 1 tour price only for place 1 to 25
cat. 2 tour price only for place 1 to 30
tour race
race price at tour only for place 1 to 20
price for race also from place 6 with same system as GC(6 to 10/11 to 20 same money and point)
and at best same system for oneday race too, thanks)
First, is not right that for a 7 days cat.1 tour, a third place give more money then if everybody win a 3 days cat.3 tour, you must chancge the price, based to the cat. too...
second, change the price from place 6 to 40, stop with different price, stop with idiot ride for place 17 again place 19, then destroy the race and GC fight...
i propose place 6 to 10 must pay the same money, after 11 to 20(or 11 to 15/16 to 20) , 21 to 30 and 31 to 40
final GC
cat. 1 tour price only for place 1 to 25
cat. 2 tour price only for place 1 to 30
tour race
race price at tour only for place 1 to 20
price for race also from place 6 with same system as GC(6 to 10/11 to 20 same money and point)
and at best same system for oneday race too, thanks)
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Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
Same money for 10-20, 20-30 and so on is a good idea. But i don´t know if teams would ride another way because of that.
But money will not depend on cat. in the future, because of the balance of this game. In winter the teams must have the same possibility to earn money likein the season.
But money will not depend on cat. in the future, because of the balance of this game. In winter the teams must have the same possibility to earn money likein the season.
Re: Points and money for jerseys during tours
Your an unbelievable idiot some times.
Kraftsystemrevision! Include the distance!
Basics reform: Give blue a chance!
Don't punish bugusers. We all have to use bugs, since most of them are declared as "features"!
Got a carrot from FL. But they threaten to take it away now.
Basics reform: Give blue a chance!
Don't punish bugusers. We all have to use bugs, since most of them are declared as "features"!
Got a carrot from FL. But they threaten to take it away now.
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