Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

LENNAO · Post by **LENNAO** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:22 pm

Bei solchen Fällen sollte man nicht allzu streng sein ...
Solang sich der Name Norwegisch anhört und der Nachname auch Realistisch ist sollte man da einfach mal n Auge zudrücken, auch wenn man mal keine Person im Internet findet, die dieses Vornamen trägt ...

Hunsrueck · Post by **Hunsrueck** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:15 pm

Nachricht von Claw - CVIII(National Comitee), 07.10.2011
�nderung der Nationalit�t von Neeme Ojuland:, "Staatenlos" zu "Estland"
Begr�ndung:

Danke

Crissler · Post by **Crissler** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 5:05 pm

Nachricht von Auxilium Torino(National Comitee), 07.10.2011
�nderung der Nationalit�t von Kwak Shin:, "South Corea" zu "Staatenlos"
Begr�ndung: Kein Name! Fahrer wird deshalb Staatenlos. Beim nächsten mal bitte glaubwürdige Namen wählen.

Das es Kwak als Vornamen gibt ist zusehen an den Fußballnationalspieler Kwak Tae-hwi , Shin als Nachnamen bei seinem Kollegen Kim Shin-wook. Bitte Nation zurück geben. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%BCdko ... mannschaft nochmal nachzulesen im Kader.

Robyklebt · Post by **Robyklebt** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:59 pm

Ah, the problem of course is that Kwak Tae-hwi is family name-first name. Usual in Korea, like in Japan and China.
Japan then the most "western" of the 3. For example: 中村俊輔 is Nakamura Shunsuke. No Japanese would have the idea to call him Shunsuke Nakamura when talking Japanese. Ok, most of the time only Shunsuke anyway. But, when written in English then they adapt and write Shunsuke Nakamura.
In China they don't, Mao Zedong, family name first name, stays the same in English, and if somebody would call him Zedong Mao at first nobody would understand who you are talking about. At RSF it has been handled liberally, rightly so. If it's first name-last name like RSF demands, it's ok. LIke Baoyu Qian. Even though everybody would call him Qian Baoyu. There are other cases where it's clearly last name first name, which has always been ok too, since it's a special case.
Korea is more like China as far as I now. Kwak Tae-Hwi stays that way in English too, even if his first name actually is Tae-Hwi. And not Kwak. So same case as for China. And IMO ok too, both should be accepted. And like in China the family name is usually one syllable or chinese character, Mao, Wang, Qian etc. the second name often 2, sometimes 1, not uncommon, but more usual 2. So Bao Yu, Ze Dong, often transcribed in one word. Baoyu etc. Korean which I'm less sure I think the same. family name usually 1 syllable, chinese character, Kwak, Kim, Pak/Park/ Hong etc. first name seems fairly consistently 2. Tae Hwik, Du Ri. And my guess is that like in China brothers share the first part, like Mao Zedongs brother was Mao Zemin (at least I think) Kwak Tae Hwi's brother would be Kwak Tae Roby or something.

Ok getting long
Short version
Kwak is a family name
Shin is the first part of a first name. Probably it's possible to have a 1 sign name as a first name too.
So by following the "orders" you get when you name a rider you put it in the wrong way around. Should have been Shin Kwak.
BUT, since like with Chinese it's rather unusual to see the first name - family name order even in English it should be no problem to accept both ways for China and Korea for sure. Even Japan even though there in English usually it's reversed to our way.

So give the guy his nationality back!

But Crissler should know when he talks with him that Kwak is his family name. So don't call him Herr Shin!!! He'll get confused and not deliver results

Crissler · Post by **Crissler** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:17 pm

Thanks for the explanation . I see I will never stop learning new thinks. Herr Kwak is happy if he become his nationality soon back.

Ruhrradler · Post by **Ruhrradler** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:12 am

Folgender Fahrer wurde von Aux staatenlos gestellt: Grimaldo Gonzalez (Peru)

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimaldo_Gonz%C3%A1lez

Wie man unschwer erkennen kann, handelte es sich um einen peruanischen Fußballspieler. Ich bitte darum ihm die Nationalität Peru wieder anzuerkennen.

Danke !

auxilium torino · Post by **auxilium torino** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:27 pm

@ ruhrradler:pass coming back, sorry, my error
@crissler, pass coming back, i follow roby suggestion

koepi · Post by **koepi** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:22 am

wieso ist mein fahrer andrei sartassow staatenlos gestellt worden?
er ist ein chilenischer radrennfahrer mit russischer herkunft!!!

Erfolge 2001
eine Etappe Doble Copacabana Gran Premio Fides
2002
zwei Etappen Vuelta Ciclista de Chile
eine Etappe Doble Copacabana Gran Premio Fides
2003
eine Etappe Doble Copacabana Gran Premio Fides
2004
eine Etappe Vuelta Ciclista de Chile
eine Etappe Volta de Santa Catarina
2006
eine Etappe Doble Copacabana Gran Premio Fides
zwei Etappen und Gesamtwertung Vuelta Ciclista de Chile
drei Etappen und Gesamtwertung Vuelta Ciclista Lider al Sur
2007
zwei Etappen und Gesamtwertung Vuelta Ciclista Lider al Sur (aberkannt)

is mesut özil wegen seines türkischen namens etwa kein deutscher???

fanta vier · Post by **fanta vier** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:55 pm

@ ruhrradler:pass coming back, sorry, my error
@crissler, pass coming back, i follow roby suggestion

superb, congratulations. and about "mundgerda solli" - you came to any ultimate decision?

Woddeltown Team · Post by **Woddeltown Team** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:36 pm

Woddeltown Team wrote:
Nachricht von Claw - CVIII(National Comitee), 25.09.2011
�nderung der Nationalit�t von Jung Ahn:, "South Corea" zu "Staatenlos"
Begr�ndung: Klon! Bitte nicht die Namen verunstalten! Sataatenlos! Bitte in Zukunft einfach einen anderen Vor- oder Nachnamen wählen!
Jung Ahn hätte gern seinen Pass zurück. Er ist nämlich Koreaner, auch wenn er in der falschen Sportart ist.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=57151

Jung Ahn wants his Passport back. He is Korean, indeed he is at the wrong sport

Jung Ahn is missing his passport...he should get it back two weeks ago

Crissler · Post by **Crissler** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:30 pm

auxilium torino wrote:@ ruhrradler:pass coming back, sorry, my error
@crissler, pass coming back, i follow roby suggestion

Thanks

claw · Post by **claw** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:18 pm

forgot ahn it seems, passport on the way

Alpha · Post by **Alpha** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:25 am

Hallo zusammen,

ich bin mittlerweile seit 2 Jahren dabei und hätte Lust im Nationenkomitee mitzuwirken, die nötige Zeit dafür wäre vorhanden. Falls ihr noch Unterstützung braucht, meldet euch bei mir.

Gruß
Alpha (Alpha Centauri)

NoPikouze · Post by **NoPikouze** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:24 pm

Nice try!

Woddeltown Team · Post by **Woddeltown Team** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:01 pm

claw wrote:forgot ahn it seems, passport on the way

no problem...and thanks

koepi · Post by **koepi** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:32 pm

was ist den jetzt mit dem pass für meinen fahrer?

sittinbull11 · Post by **sittinbull11** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:40 pm

charel jansens is belgium name is famous actor from after Worlsd war 2 played even serveral movie . so pleasemake back belgium befor nat champion ships .

You guys realy should Google use facebook befor you remove nat. from riders .

EQfriends

http://www.klappei.be/dossiers.php?cat=-2&id=74 you can check it there real name is charles jansens we call him belgium charel jansens

Rockstar Inc · Post by **Rockstar Inc** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:46 pm

wiki says: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charel_Janssens

IMDB says: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0418212/

amazon says: http://www.amazon.de/Mira-teleurgang-va ... 527&sr=8-3

your rider is named: Charel Jansens

so, it's a clone

Kambo · Post by **Kambo** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:22 am

Hello,

I don't know if it was my mistake, meaning i forgot to put a nation, or if someone took out his nationality, which i would'nt understand, but could Sebastiao Delacruz have his brazilian passport?

Thanks to those in charge.

Rockstar Inc · Post by **Rockstar Inc** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:35 pm

Kambo wrote:Hello,

I don't know if it was my mistake, meaning i forgot to put a nation, or if someone took out his nationality, which i would'nt understand, but could Sebastiao Delacruz have his brazilian passport?

Thanks to those in charge.

passport is on his way, it takes 1,2 days till the system is ready

Hunsrueck · Post by **Hunsrueck** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:06 am

Nachricht von Wookie(National Comitee), 03.11.2011
�nderung der Nationalit�t von Aleksander vonKrusestern:, "Estland" zu "Staatenlos"
Begr�ndung: Kein Name! Fahrer wird deshalb Staatenlos. Beim nächsten mal bitte glaubwürdige Namen wählen.

Hab jetzt noch einmal nachgeprüft und muß sagen ich bin baff^^

Aleksander dürfte ja nicht das Problem sein, sicherheitshalber dennoch der Link:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksander_Antson

Von Krusestern hab ich jetzt auch gesehen, daß es Varianten davon gibt.
Hier habe ich ihn her:
http://www.manor.ee/?id=937&manor_id=5

Und dann gibt es ihn auch noch als von Krusenstern
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Johan ... rusenstern

Wäre schade wenn Aleksander seinen Pass nicht zurück bekommt.

Gruß Hunsrueck

S L Benfica · Post by **S L Benfica** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:11 am

I have a problem. wrong name of one rider. "Duarte Cardoso" is a typical Portuguese name.
you can not change?

tanks

Rockstar Inc · Post by **Rockstar Inc** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:49 pm

S L Benfica wrote:I have a problem. wrong name of one rider. "Duarte Cardoso" is a typical Portuguese name.
you can not change?

tanks

get his passport back...duarte was known only as lastname till now

Blues Racing · Post by **Blues Racing** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:51 pm

Wookie wrote:�nderung der Nationalit�t von Roman vanUden:, "New Zealand" zu "frei w�hlbar"
Begr�ndung: Nationality and name don´t pass together . Please be more serious by choosing the nationality. You can choose a new nationality under Extra.

-> http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/ri ... derid=9520

I changed it back to New Zealand

Rockstar Inc · Post by **Rockstar Inc** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:54 pm

Blues Racing wrote:
Wookie wrote:�nderung der Nationalit�t von Roman vanUden:, "New Zealand" zu "frei w�hlbar"
Begr�ndung: Nationality and name don´t pass together . Please be more serious by choosing the nationality. You can choose a new nationality under Extra.
-> http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/ri ... derid=9520

I changed it back to New Zealand

noticed

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