November 2026

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November 2026

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Races to be checked:
Tour de Okinawa



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[Bugatti]

Need Anden in the morning and maybe we can start on a Monday to not take 3 weekends?

[Hansa]

Need Anden in the morning and maybe we can start on a Monday to not take 3 weekends?

Nah, keep the weekends there much better like this

[Obk]

Need Anden in the morning and maybe we can start on a Monday to not take 3 weekends?

agree! three weekends too hard for me, with kids at home no chance, hehe.

[Hoefs Cycling Team]

I don’t have any chance to play while at work, and at home I have 5 young children and a wife who isn’t supportive (weekends are better for me—poll incoming?)

[toreeto]

I thing to it is better to have less weekends.

[flockmastoR]

1) I dont care so much for Andes, and as it is now for the last couple of years I am more in favor to get rid of it or make a different approach in designing it. Is simply not interessting to ride like that, and I watched some editions of rolling around the last years it cannot be fun to race as well. (No offense to the current designer who also is highly influenced by these past years tendency)
2) Moving the start to monday just gives you 1 weekend race day less as the rest day will then go on a week day
3) Moving Andes messes with all other races as well that are planned around the sport of Andes, personally I would dislike the move of it.

As it is the traditional way to start it on Sat, imo it would need more argumentation to think about moving it than just: Racing during the week fits better for someone.

[NBeullens]

i was also kinda surprised there is no morning edition but that was probably a calculated decision . And for the boring races, let's just have good talks for 2 hours

[Bugatti]

Looking back at recent years, it’s better to skip other times of day rather than the morning.
last 4 years of anden:
9h average 7 teams
14h average 4,75 teams
18/19h average 7 teams
21/22h average 6,75 teams

The morning is by far the most popular time, so we can schedule the anden for the morning as well? preferably at 10h, since it has been at 9h for the past four years.

[Berlin Marks]

Overall it looks like we shouldn’t ride that shit at all

[Tukhtahuaev]

I am very much against the option of moving Andes, when the date was clearly communicated in the offseason plan. I would probably have big issues if it is moved to a later date.

Regarding the times I have mixed feelings. Participation probably doesn't really warrant more than 3 times and a lot of morning teams usually can switch to the afternoon too, but not offering the morning still feels a bit wrong

[flockmastoR]

Looking back at recent years, it’s better to skip other times of day rather than the morning.
last 4 years of anden:
9h average 7 teams
14h average 4,75 teams
18/19h average 7 teams
21/22h average 6,75 teams

The morning is by far the most popular time, so we can schedule the anden for the morning as well? preferably at 10h, since it has been at 9h for the past four years.

Was also curious so I checked and saw that last year afternoon had more than morning (on a low count). Generally, I also think it's either morning or afternoon to get cut, also as there is a rather big group that can potentially ride both). My feeling would be to cut afternoon. As am afternoon team I would prefer to cut afternoon as it would mean better one day race participation.

Question is: why the cut in the first place? The numbers are somehow constant in the Andes.

[Robyklebt]

Dropping the Andes in the morning looks very weird. Also is very weird. Just leave it at 4 editions. Thanks to the Falcor-wave we still have more active managers than a year ago (even if the wave effect is dropping, overall we're still much more active). Andes being a specialized Tour (probably using the word extreme (as I did in the past too) is wrong, since it leads designers to believe it needs extreme stages, it's extreme in the sense that it's not balanced, but ultra-specialized) the interest after an initial wave of popularity was always limited, even with more active managers we won't even get to the also disappointing, but a bit less, numbers of the Dec tour. It has become a niche-Tour, where you can expect 5-10 teams, everything more is a success. Keep it at 4, and if then you have a mini-edition where everybody is whining about it and wants out you still can cut it (unless that brings charges of advantagism). Just make it clear before the start, editions with less than 5 teams (or 5 teams included, make it clear) risk being cancelled if a simple majority is for it and the bosses feel like it.

Times, constant 18/19-21/22 back and forth in the last years, morning has been 9 since 2019, afternoon has been 14 since 2020 (well, dropped oncem no edition in 21). That's ok if the reason is that due to the length too often races take over 2h, so for office players it's goes into the lunch break or end of work. But that was 6-7-8-8 from 25-22(counting the sprint that isn't counted in the official time given and sometimes counting 120 sometimes not, forgot which one I wanted to do) Giro 5-8-6-5(6)-4 (This time from 22-26 the order) (mistakes of course possible) So it's not really impossible to ride races at 10-15 even if they take more than 2h. This year looks like 8 btw. So IMO 10 or 15 wouldn't really be completely impossible.
Ok, maybe 2h30 stages are more relevant, not going to check the Giro again, but suppose we don't get those there usually, while we do have 2 in the Andes this year (the other 6 are 2h03'-2h13'). (Giro occasionally had 250km stages, 240+, which then of course probably goes close to 2h30 too) Hm, probably 2025 would have been the year for a change with no 2h30'+ stage. Anyway, 9-14 as fix (except for the morning getting 0 for no discernable reason) might have a reason in the length, but is it compelling enough to have it every year? Btw, I'm thinking about rejoining the Andes after years of not riding, and if I do, 14h being 22h and 15h being 23h for me, 14h would be way better for me. But only thinking

Cutting the Andes? I've asked for that years ago... by now I'm for keeping it. I want to ride at least one decent Andes design before it's retired...

[Robyklebt]

Looking back at recent years, it’s better to skip other times of day rather than the morning.
last 4 years of anden:
9h average 7 teams
14h average 4,75 teams
18/19h average 7 teams
21/22h average 6,75 teams

The morning is by far the most popular time, so we can schedule the anden for the morning as well? preferably at 10h, since it has been at 9h for the past four years.

Ok, can we just ban Bugatti? I mean there's idiocy, there's stupidity, there's a lot of things and there's this.
9h average 7 teams
18/19h average 7 teams
21/22h average 6,75 teams
The morning is by far the most popular time,
It's not by far the most popular time. It's the most popular time together with 18/19 and by 0.25 (which probably means 1 team over 4 years?) over the evening. To claim "by far" is just so bloody fucking incredibly stupid. Work with the facts, which you did with the averages, if you then aren't able to interpret them correctly just let it be.

[Robyklebt]

I am very much against the option of moving Andes, when the date was clearly communicated in the offseason plan. I would probably have big issues if it is moved to a later date.

Regarding the times I have mixed feelings. Participation probably doesn't really warrant more than 3 times and a lot of morning teams usually can switch to the afternoon too, but not offering the morning still feels a bit wrong

IMO the offseason plan shouldn't be final, it should be an overview that gives a general idea of what is planned. Final decision here, that's why we get to comment. If now there's a wave of "let's start Monday".. could be changed. My vote would be to stay as it is here, start Sat. But to keep that nice week without stage race there and whole. But nothing in the preview should be final. Actually I'll head over there right now to propose some other changes...

Cut afternoon instead of morning. Yes, if there's a cut, yes. Other option would be to keep it at 4 as the last years. With more managers active in general... we might get a similar number of participants as last year, which actually was a pretty good year for the Andes I think.

[Bugatti]

The morning is by far the most popular time

That second statement wasn't specifically about the Andes. Maybe I should have mentioned that.

[Robyklebt]

09:00 Uhr 22 269

From September... to now? Or what? The list seems very weird anyway.

Just 9h:
September I counted 11 races with 117 teams. This month 9 with 100 so far. Ok might have miscounted, very probably have somewhere but that would be 20 races with 217 teams over this 1 month and a half. Still don't see what this 22 269 is or comes from. Regardless of all that, if we're talking overall the evening is the most popular time. 21-22 And no, I'm not going to count that.

[Bugatti]

09:00 Uhr 22 269

From September... to now? Or what? The list seems very weird anyway.

Just 9h:
September I counted 11 races with 117 teams. This month 9 with 100 so far. Ok might have miscounted, very probably have somewhere but that would be 20 races with 217 teams over this 1 month and a half. Still don't see what this 22 269 is or comes from. Regardless of all that, if we're talking overall the evening is the most popular time. 21-22 And no, I'm not going to count that.

you are right. i removed it
need to talk to my KI

[flockmastoR]

09:00 Uhr 22 269

From September... to now? Or what? The list seems very weird anyway.

Just 9h:
September I counted 11 races with 117 teams. This month 9 with 100 so far. Ok might have miscounted, very probably have somewhere but that would be 20 races with 217 teams over this 1 month and a half. Still don't see what this 22 269 is or comes from. Regardless of all that, if we're talking overall the evening is the most popular time. 21-22 And no, I'm not going to count that.

you are right. i removed it
need to talk to my KI

it tells you what you want to hear

[Robyklebt]

need to talk to my KI

Talk to RKLI, most reliable non-human intelligence around. Called DI as well.

[Nomorelulz]

Seeing participation at Andes for the last years all under 10 teams per race and also having in mind multiple teams are not so much in favor of the current andes profiles I think having 3 editions, hopefully around 10 teams, is a good way. And considering the numbers and also the "flexibility" of morning/afternoon teams imo it makes sense to cut one of the morning/afternoon editions. Especially when most of the newer guys werde favoring the evening times too. (see most recent tours f.e. 20h = 19 teams, 22h = 16 teams).

For every discussion about editions we always say its better to have less editions than too much throughout the year, why shouldnt this also count for andes.