February 2025

[Gipfelstuermer]

Krawatencross has 4 rider per team according to preview in editor, should be 3

Thanks for spotting that.

[flockmastoR]

Fantasy One Day Races

Special interest races are already in the planned calendar, based on the lack of TTT, another ITT is planned for February and 2 South American pave races (a hillier one and a flat one)

11.02. Clasica de Otavalo, hilly pave
14.02. Kalpitiya - Puttalam ITT
23.02. El Infiernito, flat pave

Will try to put online the fantasy races of the first week as well tomorrow.

[olmania]

Fantasy One Day Races

Special interest races are already in the planned calendar, based on the lack of TTT, another ITT is planned for February and 2 South American pave races (a hillier one and a flat one)

11.02. Clasica de Otavalo, hilly pave
14.02. Kalpitiya - Puttalam ITT
23.02. El Infiernito, flat pave

Will try to put online the fantasy races of the first week as well tomorrow.

Clasica Jaen, when designed (no info yet about this year route) will provide another "pavé" race (** max as its gravel; but close to the end)

[flockmastoR]

Fantasy One Day Races

Special interest races are already in the planned calendar, based on the lack of TTT, another ITT is planned for February and 2 South American pave races (a hillier one and a flat one)

11.02. Clasica de Otavalo, hilly pave
14.02. Kalpitiya - Puttalam ITT
23.02. El Infiernito, flat pave

Will try to put online the fantasy races of the first week as well tomorrow.

Clasica Jaen, when designed (no info yet about this year route) will provide another "pavé" race (** max as its gravel; but close to the end)

ok thanks for the info, but as not really a pave race, I would stick to the 2 fantasy ones

[Gipfelstuermer]

LFR seems to think it's the same route as last year - quite likely they are right even though I couldnt find any other source confirming it.

edit: found it. 3km shorter but same climbs.

[Gipfelstuermer]

Still no info found about KOM and IS, will need to be adapted. Final kms might need to be adjusted too when there are more details :

They put more details on the website now finally. I helped you with IS. The KOM might be all same category? The final km can also be checked now I think.

[Let's Go]

No chance of an Algarve 15h edition?

[Gipfelstuermer]

Again a new route in 2025, but the design principle remains the same with the 4th km of each sector becoming **

The preliminiary startlist is quite impressive. UAE, Ineos & Visma are there. WVA will be there. Combine that with the list of previous winners, they are on track to become the 'Spanish Strade Bianche' and I think the race is actually ripe to be upgraded from cat.2 to cat.3 (perhaps next year then?).


Only UAE Tour missing now. But it's on their website and La Flamme Rouge. Any designers available for that?

[ECS Cycling]

UAE is done, profiles up for review. IS may need to be changed to KOM to represent the intermediate sprint jersey, will try to find more details on that.

[Radunion]

From the research I did before setting the form, I learned that it is important to get the final km right in the first state of UAE. The final is uphill (5 %) but I did not find out how long this 5 % section is. I would prefer it flat, but the stage planners had other ideas.

[Gipfelstuermer]

UAE is done, profiles up for review. IS may need to be changed to KOM to represent the intermediate sprint jersey, will try to find more details on that.

Thanks. It's normal. That's what they do there every year (only IS, no KOM).

Will publish tomorrow if noone finds errors.

[olmania]

UAE is done, profiles up for review. IS may need to be changed to KOM to represent the intermediate sprint jersey, will try to find more details on that.

Thanks. It's normal. That's what they do there every year (only IS, no KOM).

Will publish tomorrow if noone finds errors.

Profile km by km of the two main climbs are different from last year. Maybe we should stick to a profile ?
Some sources that can be useful (here for jebel hafeet; but needed also for jebel jais) :
https://mycols.app/en/climb/jebel-hafeet
https://pjammcycling.com/climb/1810.Jebel-Hafeet
https://veloviewer.com/segments/682675
https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/vie ... 4?climb=26

[lennylenny]

UAE is done, profiles up for review. IS may need to be changed to KOM to represent the intermediate sprint jersey, will try to find more details on that.

Thanks. It's normal. That's what they do there every year (only IS, no KOM).

Will publish tomorrow if noone finds errors.

Profile km by km of the two main climbs are different from last year. Maybe we should stick to a profile ?
Some sources that can be useful (here for jebel hafeet; but needed also for jebel jais) :
https://mycols.app/en/climb/jebel-hafeet
https://pjammcycling.com/climb/1810.Jebel-Hafeet
https://veloviewer.com/segments/682675
https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/vie ... 4?climb=26

i know i did some readjustments on the kinda circuit of stage 1 last year, so probably also put some effort into the other stages, might be a good option to use the percentages from there if the same roads are ridden as last year

[Elaska]

UAE is done, profiles up for review. IS may need to be changed to KOM to represent the intermediate sprint jersey, will try to find more details on that.

Thanks. It's normal. That's what they do there every year (only IS, no KOM).

Will publish tomorrow if noone finds errors.

Profile km by km of the two main climbs are different from last year. Maybe we should stick to a profile ?
Some sources that can be useful (here for jebel hafeet; but needed also for jebel jais) :
https://mycols.app/en/climb/jebel-hafeet
https://pjammcycling.com/climb/1810.Jebel-Hafeet
https://veloviewer.com/segments/682675
https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/vie ... 4?climb=26

+1 especially if we put our forms in consideration of last year's %, since are the same climbs.

[Radunion]

UAE is done, profiles up for review. IS may need to be changed to KOM to represent the intermediate sprint jersey, will try to find more details on that.

Thanks. It's normal. That's what they do there every year (only IS, no KOM).

Will publish tomorrow if noone finds errors.

Even though I do not like it, the final part of the first stage is wrong. There is a final climb, the stage should finish at 196 m, which totally changes the stage's character.

"Final kilometres
The stage finale features a wide bend on a roundabout. The home straight is all uphill, around 5%."



I just used the website and did not look for a gpx, but I redrew the final from the map and saw that the last km should be +5 or at least +4.

[olmania]

4% would be ok, but as 3% is easier to block in the game, I think that a 3% would be great. IRL there are chances to have a sprint, just a uphill sprint with more than pure sprinters able to compete. but ok for a 4% too

[ECS Cycling]

UAE is done, profiles up for review. IS may need to be changed to KOM to represent the intermediate sprint jersey, will try to find more details on that.

Thanks. It's normal. That's what they do there every year (only IS, no KOM).

Will publish tomorrow if noone finds errors.

Profile km by km of the two main climbs are different from last year. Maybe we should stick to a profile ?
Some sources that can be useful (here for jebel hafeet; but needed also for jebel jais) :
https://mycols.app/en/climb/jebel-hafeet
https://pjammcycling.com/climb/1810.Jebel-Hafeet
https://veloviewer.com/segments/682675
https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/vie ... 4?climb=26

+1 especially if we put our forms in consideration of last year's %, since are the same climbs.

So are you saying I should use the percentages from last year?

UAE is done, profiles up for review. IS may need to be changed to KOM to represent the intermediate sprint jersey, will try to find more details on that.

Thanks. It's normal. That's what they do there every year (only IS, no KOM).

Will publish tomorrow if noone finds errors.

Even though I do not like it, the final part of the first stage is wrong. There is a final climb, the stage should finish at 196 m, which totally changes the stage's character.

"Final kilometres
The stage finale features a wide bend on a roundabout. The home straight is all uphill, around 5%."



I just used the website and did not look for a gpx, but I redrew the final from the map and saw that the last km should be +5 or at least +4.

4% would be ok, but as 3% is easier to block in the game, I think that a 3% would be great. IRL there are chances to have a sprint, just a uphill sprint with more than pure sprinters able to compete. but ok for a 4% too

I think it should be a +4.

[cataracs]

Did you see the race? It's a sprint stage. 4% is pure fantasy, even 3% kind of is in C4F, It changes everything.

[olmania]

Did you see the race? It's a sprint stage. 4% is pure fantasy, even 3% kind of is in C4F, It changes everything.

not the same finish than last year; so no we did not see it yet. Higly possible that it will be a sprint; but unsure yet and probably not an usual MS.
and yes, as the chances for a MS irl are high, that's why I'd go for a 3% as mentionned earlier.

[Gipfelstuermer]

So are you saying I should use the percentages from last year?

I think that's what he meant. In case if doubt, that is good practice. But if you have good reason for your percentages, that is also fine.

The same for the final km. If it's 3%, 4% or 5%, seems a bit subjective here and so it's désigner choice (can be critized by others of course, so always be prepared for that ).

For the circuit itself, I prefer a "clean" version, meaning identical laps with 0m difference (can be done using the circuit feature in the designer).

So, following the discussion, let me know when you consider it "final". Then I continue with a last check and publish it.

[ECS Cycling]

I consider UAE final now.

[cataracs]

Now we saw how it went, should've been a 8% to be realistic probably?

Don't mess with the next WT races please...

[Radunion]

Now we saw how it went, should've been a 8% to be realistic probably?

Don't mess with the next WT races please...

We did not mess with WT races, we made it as accurate as possible. Yes, real-world sprinters can power through short hills unlike our sprinters who cannot (real-world sprinters win pave races as well). Does it mean we should make something that is a fight between sprinters and explosive classics contenders a pure sprint finish? From 500 m +4 or even +5 would look good, from 1000 to 500 m it is too easy to escape.

To summarize. We cannot make it perfect making the profile as close to the real thing as possible is the best thing we can do without changing game physics.

[Gipfelstuermer]

No info about potential IS yet; can be added later if required.

IS now available for Gran Camino - do you have time to add them?

[olmania]

No info about potential IS yet; can be added later if required.

IS now available for Gran Camino - do you have time to add them?

Not this weekend
better if you can do it faster I think ! thanks !