Le Tour 2012

[lesossies]

I have adapted all the stages. I hope it is OK now and wait for reclamations till sunday night to put it online

[olmania]

I have adapted all the stages. I hope it is OK now and wait for reclamations till sunday night to put it online

Great job

I'll have a look to the stages 13-21 tomorrow

[olmania]

Ok, I continue !

stage 13 : seems ok
stage 14 : 2/1/1 is my suggestion for the last 3kms, but this does not change the race ! the Climbs are ok.
stage 15 : seems ok
stage 16 : seems good
stage 17 : mhh, Not sure ab everything, but also seems ok
stage 18 : côte de St Georges is 10% and the last km is a -1%, not a 0%
stage 19 : ok
stage 20 : ok

[gaurain rx]

If you could wait till Monday evening, would be cool ^^

[lesossies]

If you could wait till Monday evening, would be cool ^^

OK I wait

[Rockstar Inc]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[gaurain rx]

Okok, Good work Leso...

Only one objection in stage 3 (Visé -Tournai) : Citadelle de Namur, think there are cobbles on it like during the Grand Prix the Wallonie (2 or 3 in pavés)!

[olmania]

** max imo

[gaurain rx]

In Grand Prix de Wallonie it's 5***/6**... But ** sounds quite good ^^

[skull]

the 2nd repos is wrong . its after stage 15 not after stage 14

[olmania]

1st stage is "flat" ? Even with this 6% at the end ?
Stage 7 should be "mont"
Stage 18 should be "medium mont"

[Astana]

http://www.letour.fr/2012/TDF/COURSE/us ... cours.html

look at the type!

[olmania]

http://www.letour.fr/2012/TDF/COURSE/us ... cours.html

look at the type!

Official classification is shit.
But if they want to make it as the website say, ok

RSF classification is a bit different because of the sieb thing (5-6%) ! Don't you think we should make it for RSF ?

[lesossies]

I changed the repos day but not the stage-types.
I´m not sure what is right ?!

[Astana]

http://www.letour.fr/2012/TDF/COURSE/us ... cours.html

look at the type!

Official classification is shit.
But if they want to make it as the website say, ok

RSF classification is a bit different because of the sieb thing (5-6%) ! Don't you think we should make it for RSF ?

no, i don't think so.we make bonisfications, mountain classifications ( cima coppi at the giro), etc like at the real gt's, so we should do the same with the type of the stages, because the points at the end of the stage shoudl be the same here as in reality

[Robyklebt]

It doesn't matter for the Giro how you classify it (well, until this year, with the stupid change, and the idiot Acquarone threatens to adopt the idiotic TdF points system or something similar to gift the points jersey to a sprinter) but it matter for the tour.

There the points are according to the classification. And changes for RSF? I don't think in reality Cav/Goss will win in Seraing either, it's the first infight in BMC, Evans angry at Gilbert for riding for himself and not Cuddles...

So follow the official TdF classification, yep.


Points system: No clue, but do they have the same thing with the intermediates as last year? If yes, make that for RSF too.

[gaurain rx]

It doesn't matter for the Giro how you classify it (well, until this year, with the stupid change, and the idiot Acquarone threatens to adopt the idiotic TdF points system or something similar to gift the points jersey to a sprinter) but it matter for the tour.

There the points are according to the classification. And changes for RSF? I don't think in reality Cav/Goss will win in Seraing either, it's the first infight in BMC, Evans angry at Gilbert for riding for himself and not Cuddles...

So follow the official TdF classification, yep.


Points system: No clue, but do they have the same thing with the intermediates as last year? If yes, make that for RSF too.

Clear that we saw the brillant Cadel helped Gilbert during the Classics :p

[Robyklebt]

I think even with Merckx' help the Gilbert of this year wouldn't have won a classic...
And it doesn't take much to make cuddles angry actually. Even the hiring of Hushovd made him have a fit... no no, he can't ride the tour.. .oh wonder, he's "sick" now.

[flockmastoR]

Well last year the first stage was also classified as flat with a +6 +4 finish (if i remember right). Think we should stick to the official classification

[NoPikouze]

Think we should stick to the official classification

As usual. And as always until now (designer mistakes excepted).

[Robyklebt]

Is the TdF points systeme online?

b) Classement général individuel par points
Le classement général individuel par points
s’obtient par l’addition des points enregistrés
dans les classements individuels du Prologue et
de chaque étape, selon les barèmes suivants,
et compte tenu des pénalités en points :
• pour les étapes en ligne dites « de plat »
(art. 22-coeff. 1) : 45-35-30-26-22-20-18-16-
14-12-10-8-6-4-2 points pour les 15 premiers
coureurs classés ;
• pour les étapes en ligne dites de « parcours
accidenté» (art. 22-coeff. 2 et 3) : 30-25-22-
19-17-15-13-11-9-7-6-5-4-3-2 points aux 15
premiers coureurs classés ;
• pour les étapes en ligne dites de « haute
15
montagne » (art. 22-coeff. 4 et 5) : 20-17-
15-13-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 points aux 15
premiers coureurs classés ;
pour le Prologue et les étapes en C.l.m.
«individuel» (art.22-coeff. 6) : 20-17-15-13-11-
10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 points aux 15 premiers
coureurs classés ;
• pour chaque sprint intermédiaire, les
15 premiers coureurs classés reçoivent
respectivement : 20-17-15-13-11-10-9-8-7-6-
5-4-3-2-1 points.

I think it's the same as last year, but just to be sure the whole quotation

Mountain points changed a bit I read somewhere, but don't remember if we did that anyway, if that doubling of points is technically possible at RSF

cols hors catégorie : 25-20-16-14-12-10-
8-6-4-2 points respectivement du 1er au 10e
coureur classé ;
• cols de 1re catégorie : 10-8-6-4-2-1 points
respectivement du 1er au 6e coureur classé ;
• cols ou côtes de 2e catégorie : 5-3-2-1 points
respectivement du 1er au 4e coureur classé.
• cols ou côtes de 3e catégorie : 2-1 points,
respectivement aux 2 premiers coureurs
classés ;
• côtes de 4e catégorie : 1 point au 1er coureur
classé.
Les points attribués sont doublés pour
l’arrivée des 7e, 11e et 17e étapes.

No bonif stays:

Article 25 Bonifications
Aucune bonification n’est attribuée sur le 99e
Tour de France.

Article 26 Pénalités
Le barème des pénalités du règlement de
l’UCI est appliqué en toutes circonstances.
Toutes les sanctions et pénalités comptent
pour les classements généraux.
Elles peuvent, selon leur gravité, et sur
décision du Collège des commissaires, être
appliquées également aux classements
d’étape individuels.
Si le Collège des commissaires estime que
l’infraction commise par un coureur profite
au classement général au temps de son
équipe, il est également appliqué à celle-ci
une pénalité de 30 secondes.

➜ Article 28 Récusation -
exclusion
29.1 A.S.O. tient pour essentielle la préservation
de son image, de sa réputation et de celles de
l’épreuve. Conformément à l’article 2.2.010 bis
alinéas 7 et 8 du règlement de l’UCI du sport
cycliste, A.S.O. se réserve expressément
la faculté de refuser la participation à – ou
d’exclure de – l’épreuve, une équipe ou l’un
de ses membres, dont la présence serait
de nature à porter atteinte à l’image ou à la
réputation d’A.S.O. ou de l’épreuve.
29.2 En outre, A.S.O. pourra exclure de
l’épreuve une équipe ou l’un de ses membres
dans les cas suivants :
• infraction aux règles de l’épreuve, y compris
celles concernant la discipline interne à
l’épreuve (règles concernant l’hébergement
par exemple) ;

Grrr, can't sleep at my imaginary girlfriend's house???

• infraction grave à la loi française (législation
et réglementation concernant les paris
sportifs par exemple) ;

Pff, I'm not even french and don't live in France, grrr.

• tenue indécente ou comportement
inconvenant ;

Ok, no more playing RSF in underpants for 3 weeks. No problem with the behaviour, I'm a role model in that regard.

• acte de vandalisme perpétré en course ou
hors course ;

Bah, vandalizing sounded fun, plus Japan needs some vandalizing actually.

• non-utilisation des moyens de transports
collectifs prévus par l’organisation lors des
transferts ;

grrrr... can't just take the train here?

• fraude aux passages en douane ;

Well, my wife will smuggle in some stuff from China tomorrow, hope no problem! It's my wife, not me.

• tout autre acte ou fait qui serait de nature à
porter atteinte à l’image et/ou à la réputation
d’A.S.O., et/ou de l’épreuve.
En cas de désaccord de l’UCI et/ou de
l’équipe et/ou de l’un de ses membres portant
sur la décision ainsi prise par A.S.O., le litige
sera soumis à la Chambre Arbitrale du Sport,
Maison du sport français,
1, avenue Pierre de Coubertin, 75640 Paris
Cedex 13

Unfair. So winning with Ramirez is forbidden!

Don't think we need to implement article 29!

[lesossies]

The mountain and sprint points will stay like there are, I let the C4F system.

But the time bonis have been totaly put out, the finish and and the intemediate ones.

[Robyklebt]

Mmh, last year you changed the points for the intermediate.... IMO you should do that again. It worked fine, interesting to ride for sprinters. (stressful though)
Not sure if you changed the points at the arrival as well...

[Robyklebt]

Ok, before my wife kill me because the house is too dirty:

Reason why IMO the points system should be changed:

- last year it was changed, so I assume sprinters assumed it would be this year too. And because 2 tours already started... kind of difficult for them to react now. Pure sprinter stages for pure sprinters are fewer this year. But with the expected TdF intermediate sprint system, green would still have been a possibility IMO. Without.. .no chance for green for pure sprinters really.

Then, how to change it....

a) 100% TdF
b) Keep the system we have, 30 points on flat etc, just adapt the intermediates. That would mean: Intermediates give the same points as a HC stage. Or TT, TdF they get the same points as a HC stage, RSF less, but I think giving the intermediates the same points as the HC stages would make more sense.

Mountains, ok, don't think it was adapted last year either, plus it doesn't change that much for riders you take or don't... but the sprint system? Yep, a strong sprinter team with the TdF System makes sense, green. Without, much less.

[Zentaron]

Can someone take me out of my TdF if the system isn't changed? Why I should waste my time and money for a tour where I at least ride for nothing? Why I took a team built around a 96 sprinter to this tour when he isn't able to ride for the thing he is paid for?