December 2018

[luques]

DECEMBER 2018

http://www.cycling4freaks.com/radsport/december2018.pdf

[Robyklebt]

Times etc. obviously open for discussion (except Dec tour 15h, designers request)

And: We need a christmas tour. Usually a tour designed in the middle east. Not even the name has to be Christmas tour, was Peace tour, Tour of Syria etc in the past. 4 days, half stages allowed (well, once let's say). Anybody wants to design it? Go for it. But better announce it here, so we don't have 17 tours at the end.

[Gipfelstuermer]

Thank for December 2018.

But, December Tour 10-15-18-22 doesn't make too much sense too me. Andes was 9-14-19-22 with participation 5-7-7-13. December Tour can hope for higher participation given it is a less extreme tour. 10-15-20-23 (all one hour later) could make sense. Or if you want early evening, could also try 5 times: 10-15-18-21-23. No big parallel program, so could work out, but not sure.

[luques]

Thank for December 2018.

But, December Tour 10-15-18-22 doesn't make too much sense too me. Andes was 9-14-19-22 with participation 5-7-7-13. December Tour can hope for higher participation given it is a less extreme tour. 10-15-20-23 (all one hour later) could make sense. Or if you want early evening, could also try 5 times: 10-15-18-21-23. No big parallel program, so could work out, but not sure.

I would stick with 4 editions, there is a Tour in parallel and single races risk to be really boring (we already had all this month races with 2-3 managers).

But 1h more would be actually 10-15-19-23 (19 not 20), dislike the idea?

[Pokemon Club]

Completely dislike it, 19 is too early and 23 too late

[Gipfelstuermer]

But 1h more would be actually 10-15-19-23 (19 not 20), dislike the idea?

Ehm, luques, Andes was 9-14-19-22, so 1h later is 10-15-20-23 (20 not 19).

Is 23 too late? Well, personally I am happy with 22, so could be 10-15-20-22. Which would maybe equalize the evening a bit because for Andes was only 7 in 19h but 13 for 22h. Only problem is: Is it fair to give 22h two main tours in a row? You decide.

[Robyklebt]

With 4 races 22h as last IMO is almost a must.
21 last? Too early as a latest main race.
23 last? Who misses out? The early evening, 17-19: 10-15-20-23 then indeed the logical choice. Only 7 for 19 for the Andes, yes, but generally 19 is a pretty strong time. Cut the early evening to give 23h one IMO a bad choice.
3 big stage races in a row with 22, so no 20-21, which are probably even a bit stronger than 22 (Vuelta-Andes-Atlas), but if we go with 4... 10-15-18/19-22 seem the 2 best options. Question 18 for some variation or 19 to draw some people from 20h, thus maybe having more teams.
10-15-20-22 on the other hand is an inane proposal.

The other option would be cut the parallel tour. Nothing parallel. Either you ride the main race, Atlas, or no tour. "Just" one day races. Then 10-15-18-21-23, 5 editions.
5 editions plus parallel tour... yes, we can expect higher participation for the main tour than for the Andes, but the overall numbers will most likely not change much.

[Robyklebt]

So what do the enlightened people think about the great idea to cut the parallel tour?

[CircleCycle]

very good idea!

[Mangahn]

Not sure. I would need to know about the second tour. Where can I find it?

[Robyklebt]

No, you wouldn't need to know about the second tour, since it's a fundamental question about numbers, participation and the like, not about if the second tour fits one of your teams or not.

PS. It says enlightened people.... what on earth made you think (mistakenly) you are part of that group?

[Mangahn]

still funny.

Would be nice you would be silence, too.

I know yours answere in front. I still got a different point of view. It is importand if its two more or less equal tours or not

[GreenMotion]

is it possible to post the timetables with the monthly overviews?

[Robyklebt]

is it possible to post the timetables with the monthly overviews?

For every race? No, takes away all flexibility, if there's a further decrease in participation, if there's an increase etc. For tours it's there. In the real season times are there for all tours, plus for cat 4+ 1 day races. The rest stays flexible, usually try to have as little overlap as possible, so if there is a tour at 21, you can expect one day races at 20 or 22, not at 21 (but there are exceptions)
It could be possible for the "winter classics"...(ok then it's every race in the preview in the offseason). Generally the goal is to have 5 one day races per day. But with low participation if there's a tour parallel... 4 possible, with 2 tours parallel definitely only 4. So Colombo-xxx right now would look like 4, 9-14-17-21. The races with no parallel tour usually 9-11/14-16/17-19/20-21/22-24, with variation, not all the same time.

[Rasmussen]

So what do the enlightened people think about the great idea to cut the parallel tour?

Very good idea!

[luques]

If we cut the parallel tour, then would be for 10-15-18-21-23 (so 5 editions) for the December Tour, ok?

[Robyklebt]

Would seem the best to me.
Maybe change the time for the Christmas tour a bit so that we don't have exactly the same times twice.

Ah Christmas Tour still nobody feeling an irresistible urge to design something?

[GreenMotion]

is it possible to post the timetables with the monthly overviews?

For every race? No, takes away all flexibility, if there's a further decrease in participation, if there's an increase etc. For tours it's there. In the real season times are there for all tours, plus for cat 4+ 1 day races. The rest stays flexible, usually try to have as little overlap as possible, so if there is a tour at 21, you can expect one day races at 20 or 22, not at 21 (but there are exceptions)
It could be possible for the "winter classics"...(ok then it's every race in the preview in the offseason). Generally the goal is to have 5 one day races per day. But with low participation if there's a tour parallel... 4 possible, with 2 tours parallel definitely only 4. So Colombo-xxx right now would look like 4, 9-14-17-21. The races with no parallel tour usually 9-11/14-16/17-19/20-21/22-24, with variation, not all the same time.

sorry, my english is not the best.
I'm not about the time but rather about the profile of the race (at least the tours) are posted directly on the calendar.
maybe i know too little and this already exists, in another place.

bsp. I search the profiles of
Vamos a la playa,
Tasmania,
Christmas tour

The links directly below the calendar would make it much easier, at least for me

Kind regards
Jäger

[Robyklebt]

Ah, ok.

During the season usually the PDF is posted earlier, ideally around the 15th. And finalized around the 25th.
This month (and last too), all a bit later. This month because of the Dec vote, winner unsure, winner can decide a time, a preview before the winner was known sort of made little sense, since the times will influence all other times too.

Real races that have been designed are usually posted in the same thread. So can be seen there.

Offseason could do the same, you're right. I'll do it here for the tours. One day races that are sure where raced last December too I think, so check there ingame. Will try to put those for January in the thread too though.


Tasmania: BUT, it looks like there's a good chance that it will be cancelled, since most people seem to agree that it would be easier not to have a tour parallel to the Dec tour.

Tasmania Tour is a small Tour for Classics riders.
No sprinters stages, no hard mountain stages .

Vamos a la Playa:

Vamos a la playa!

Stage 1, 125 km, we go to Playa Tortuguera. Well, not exactly, since we'd need to cross a river or something similar to reach the actual beach. But close enough. The early climbs are not steep, only short steep stretches on top. Normally sprinters should have no problem coming back



Stage 2. 208 km, we go to Limon, where we finish in front of the Playa los baños. We're there after 178 km, but add 3 10 km laps with 2 short climbs each, both 6%. So a stage for classics. The climbs in the beginning a bit harder than the ones on day one, but without the final lap it would most likely be a sprint again.



Stage 3, the HC stage. Lots of mountains, lots of climbs. The early mountains are steep, but then it all becomes somewhat easier. The cat 1 and HC climb are not steep, the cat 2 at km 150 is 13-12-12, steep but short, the cat 2 at 178 is 7 km long, but only 3 km over 6%.
Then the final hill 14-14, 7 km from the end, gives the climber a chance to go for the win, but strong classics have that chance too.


Stage 4

150 km, to Playa Puntarenas. Hilly start, then lots of downhill. Last chance for the sprinters to get rid of sprinters at km 117-119, 5-5-6, another 5 at km 123. So here chances for both sprinters or hill sprinters, classified as flat stage, so will decide the points jersey most likely.

Christmas Tour. Not designed yet, so nobody knows. Might have a candidate for a design though, stay tuned.

[GreenMotion]

Many thanks!

for quick response / explanation,
the profiles,
and for the next months already.

Is certainly much easier to put the form and decide what I ride.

Kind regards
Hunter

[Robyklebt]

For form usually races will be put on in the game from around the 25th... once the calendar is finalized. This month not yet, probably from tomorrow.

[Hunsrueck]

four tours in december and only one at 8pm or 9pm, that's not good

[luques]

Wasn't much inspired with times, so open to suggestion.

Tasmania out. Would say we can already insert today December Tour and wait tomorrow for the rest.

[Robyklebt]

To me times look good.
17h is usually a rather weak time, even if for programming it fits so nicely.... so there a change might be worth thinking about. But it fits so nicely...And ok, had Borneo, but before that nothing in Sept-Oct, so 17h probably ok.

Another thing.... with no parallel tour, maybe give the one day races another "winter classic"?

I suppose NC is fix? Despite that big question mark, you really should learn that posting previews with question marks is not good.

[Robyklebt]

Christmas tour. designed by Carrera, big round of applause!

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