Monte Paschi - free team

[Bugatti]

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5443

maybe that was a wrong topic...

[chartreusecycle]

No no, Fairplay is the right forum section as bug using is cheating.

free team again and again...

[NicoVanarlo]

Is bug exploit allowed?
If not, same comportement for Los chicos/fantasticos on eroica 23h

[Robyklebt]

Clearly some bans are in order.

Look at the enlightened comments at 23h

los chicos: Ich frage mich halt ob es verboten ist. Wurde ja heute schon paarmal gemacht
Lorient: deliberate
Quick Step DD: come on guys...
fantasticos: just was watching at ptt^^
RS Coesitz: bug using is crap.

At least a 1 month ban for los chicos, fantasticos and free team seem the minimum to me. In addition to a big fine of course.

[Bugatti]

Re: sitting in one-day races - free team

PENALTY SUBMITTED: FINE OF150000, WARNING: YES

Free team do have a warning, he will be banished for a longer time?

[whisbone]

FPK? Where are you, and who are you ?
After the race yesterday 23h, small reaction on my part.
Do you want the most fair-play teams to leave the game to make room for the cheats and schemers?
   A quick reaction from you is necessary towards these teams, whose only goal seems to be to destroy C4F.
  Meanwhile, fantasticos is on the starting line of Larciano at 23H.

[Bugatti]

I agree with him 100%. Maybe some of the affected teams have a special status ....

[Hunsrueck]

fpc is reviewing this case. Involved Teams: free team, fantasticos , los chicos.

[ProTour-Team]

Yap i tried to use the bug at that last downhill pave section..

But dont forget that during all race nobody cared to every drop guys who ended up further ahead because of the bug, those guys made tempo or were helpers for a long time, cant remember any team who didnt do it, just that Rexonia didnt like it while he did it himself. And in this race were 2 of the members of the Fairplaycommittee (Rexonia and RFM) aswell who didnt care all race to drop their guys themselves - so you guys wanna fine yourselves too?

And we already had a lot of other KSP races which were influenced or decided because of the bug, but nobody cared there too..

As i said in race chats and main chat numerous times already, just get rid of those buggy downhill paves.
If it is a -3 or -4 make it a -2 and keep the pave, if it is more downhill keep the % but erase the pave.
Should be the simplest solution to avoid any wanted or unwanted impact of the bug to affect further ksp races.

[IDF]

There is a difference between to don't drop 3-4 helpers (who were maybe 70-75 in overall) which will have no influence on the race and using a bug to win classics (or being on the podium)

[ProTour-Team]

so thats an official statement by the fpk that using a bug as long as you think it has no influence is ok?
of course it has an influence if you leaders have none, 1 or 2 helpers if some teams tries to make the race hard..

but wouldnt be anything new, too^^

[NicoVanarlo]

IDC about their fines, give me back my victory in this classic.

[Coroncina2]

Please solve this problem rapidly. Too strage read Monte Paschi next to free team. Monte Paschi is already in crisis and no need this negative marketing!!!

[Hunsrueck]

Please solve this problem rapidly. Too strage read Monte Paschi next to free team. Monte Paschi is already in crisis and no need this negative marketing!!!

This can do only Leso, Buh or Luques

[Wookie]

PENALTY SUBMITTED: FINE OF700000, WARNING: YES
for free team, los chicos and fantasticos
All three are also temporary banned.

[ProTour-Team]

And what will be the fine for rfm and rexonia?

[Wookie]

PENALTY SUBMITTED: FINE OF700000, WARNING: YES
for free team, los chicos and fantasticos
All three are also temporary banned.

Just free team is banned. My bad, sorry.

[Robyklebt]

Temporary means with a set expiry date for the ban or not?

[ProTour-Team]

would be nice to know somewhen.. if it isnt temporary just say so, wouldnt even be mad

[Robyklebt]

Have to somehow agree.

Really don't like these open ended bans. Plus compared to his imitators, fantasticos and los chicos, the punishment seems to hard anyway. Had it been fine for all 3, 1 week for free team, no ban for the 2 others, okay, with his history, ok, why not. (Even if IMO the 2 others would have deserved a ban too) But now it's 2 weeks, 0 for the 2 others, the proportion isn't fair anymore.

Anyway: General Donkeypinion:

- Don't hand out those open ended temporary bans. Last time I was told that they were sometimes used until the culprit calmed down... here doesn't seem to be this case.

Specifically for this case:
- ban fully deserved (but see above), shameless bugusing. Big fine, plus ban, Good.
- 2 weeks and counting for free, just a big fine for the 2 others. Disproportionate punishment for free team, compared to the 2 others.
- If you still feel he has to be banned longer, then at least tell him till when. Donks thinks missing PN/TA and MSR, now Harelbeke too is a pretty big punishment already actually... That's like 2 months winter calendar, or 3.
- He's probably riding with (an) other team(s). But unless you find the IP can't be proven, even if probably everybody thinks he does, shouldn't count towards further extensions in this case.

[Hunsrueck]

fantasticos and los chicos were not locked.

free team can ride from 25.03.2018 again.

[ProTour-Team]

ofc donkey couldnt answer without a false accusation.
but please tell me all my latest multis.

[Robyklebt]

Of course free team couldn't help himself spreading false informations.

I wasn't "answering". .

[ProTour-Team]

You wrote a post in an already existing topic, for me thats an answer no matter if you refer to any post before or not. and as you actually did, at least partly for sure it is.

and thx for confirming your knowledge by avoiding any direct comment

btw: how can you qoute "answering" if i never wrote "answering"

[chartreusecycle]

Welcome back free team,

Hope you worked on your behaviour during your ban.

Regards,

Chartreuse Monks
(Omloop + GW winner during your ban)