Strong and cheap classic riders in Div 6 market

[Alkworld]

A good example for the "Classic" problem in Div. 1-5 popped up today:

A 55-73-79 classic rider with 55 sprint 41 reg. The rider had 21 (!) bidders, although I don't know how many seriously bid. Anyway, the bids ranged from around 1'690'000 to around 2'250'000 (which then got the rider), for a market value of around 1'780'000. So the bid that got the rider was almost 500'000 higher than the market value. Maybe the near perfect first three skills demand such a high bid, but you can't deny that a lot of teams are looking for classics because there are not many suitable ones to find. In contrary of the Div 6-7 youth market, were you can not only find better classic but also pavé and classic pavé riders in higher numbers for (I guess) less active teams.

I still find my rider I want. I still can live with what's left, but maybe the game admins should think about doing something about a problem that has been discussed for years now.

I think this numbers are perfect, the market in div 1-5 are working good, the problem is that it is too easy to find good riders in the lower div section

Today on the Div6-7 market: 56-74-79-56-65, 35 reg, for just over 2M. No wonder some teams intentionally go down to Div 6 (while the 2nd team is continuing to play ...)

[Buhmann]

So what is the main problem. To few good riders in Div 1-5 or too many good riders in lower divs? Or both?

[team fl]

So what is the main problem. To few good riders in Div 1-5 or too many good riders in lower divs? Or both?

The latter. To many good riders in lower divs for a too little number of teams and no bidding system.

Again as mentioned many times before: reduce the starting skills for classic riders, pavé riders and flat riders for lower divs. Or, which would be the best solution in my opinion, just have one youth transfer market for everybody, excluding the lowest div (div 7 at the moment), for which the normal transfermarket should be enough.

[Robyklebt]

D1-5 NO PROBLEM.
Of course I never get the riders I want either, the good ones, but that's kind of the point of the system, you have to pay to get the young stars.

Division 6-7

I'm for leaving it as it is, 6 and 7 together. But ok, not the main point.

starting values for 21 year olds in D6-7

Mountain: 72 available: leave it like it is
Mountain-TT combi: 72-56 available... even saw a 72-57 now, which doesn't even exist in D1-5, could be a guy who trained once in a team and was sold? But transfer shows nothing. Anyway, make it 72-53 (and then the scaled thing like in D1-5) 71-56, 70-59, 69-62 ect. Or better ask for a precise list before you do it....
Flat: 74 available, cut to 73
Flat-mountain: 56-74 available, cut to 54-72
downhill: just on principle cut by 1:)
TT 75 available, seems ok.
Sprint: 80 available, seems ok
hidden pavé skill: 82 available. Cut to 77. (That's 1,5 less than D1-5 in "real" pavé skill, including the 1 flat cut proposed above, 2,2 less.

And IMO keep D5 and 6 separated.

[Wookie]

56-74-73-52-62 48reg 2,08 Mio
56-73-48-52-56 36reg 1,66 Mio
56-73-73-60-55 55reg 2,25 Mio
55-73-56-48-54 62reg 2,04 Mio
55-73-69-48-58 57reg 2,04 Mio
55-73-74-50-59 58reg 2,12 Mio
55-73-74-49-52 43reg 1,73 Mio
54-74-72-55-56 55reg 2,05 Mio

And this only from the refresh today...

[Obk]

Again some very strong riders in Div. 6-7.

56-72-77-49-60 with 54 Reg for 2.099...

Nearly nothing usable in Div. 1-5.

[Pokemon Club]

The problem isn't cheap or strong rider is div 6 market, the problem is that the div 6 market is uselesss a lot of years now. Just cancel it.

[Obk]

The problem isn't cheap or strong rider is div 6 market, the problem is that the div 6 market is uselesss a lot of years now. Just cancel it.

So there is a need for a change, isn't it?

[gaurain rx]

D1-5 NO PROBLEM.
Of course I never get the riders I want either, the good ones, but that's kind of the point of the system, you have to pay to get the young stars.

Division 6-7

I'm for leaving it as it is, 6 and 7 together. But ok, not the main point.

starting values for 21 year olds in D6-7

Mountain: 72 available: leave it like it is
Mountain-TT combi: 72-56 available... even saw a 72-57 now, which doesn't even exist in D1-5, could be a guy who trained once in a team and was sold? But transfer shows nothing. Anyway, make it 72-53 (and then the scaled thing like in D1-5) 71-56, 70-59, 69-62 ect. Or better ask for a precise list before you do it....
Flat: 74 available, cut to 73
Flat-mountain: 56-74 available, cut to 54-72
downhill: just on principle cut by 1:)
TT 75 available, seems ok.
Sprint: 80 available, seems ok
hidden pavé skill: 82 available. Cut to 77. (That's 1,5 less than D1-5 in "real" pavé skill, including the 1 flat cut proposed above, 2,2 less.

And IMO keep D5 and 6 separated.

I'm in for the Klebt proposal... It's normal it's hard to get the best riders (and so to pay the price for them), not normal you can get them on a parralel system for a low price! So put limits as Roby proposed... I'm pissed of these Alla/Rfm tactic to go down just to get these riders (and we apparently allowed rfm to have another team in the meantime, brillant)! Moreover cause we also had lately at least overbiding on really good youngster just to throw them in the bin the month after!

[Pokemon Club]

Where is the sense to have 2 different market actually anyway ?

[ProTour-Team]

(and we apparently allowed rfm to have another team in the meantime, brillant)! Moreover cause we also had lately at least overbiding on really good youngster just to throw them in the bin the month after!

it was just an Übergangsteam, so why are you mad?

[luques]

Based on some suggestions of this topic the div 6-7 market has been changed.

First, the maximum number of youth riders has been heavily reduced to 250 from 700, the market gets refreshed pretty often so for sure there will be riders for everybody (not so many anyway) there.

Second, skills have been reduced in the following way: berg+flat skill must not exceed 126, Inner pavè maximum value is now 78 for lower divisions.

Any other suggestion or modification will be welcome.

Let me know what you think.

[Chense]

Hey - 126 looks a bit low for me indeed ... would have like it better to say 127 and make it max. 54-73 and 55-72 no 56 guys avalaible ... but well just test it now Better for sure, also the reduced number!

[cataracs]

Hey - 126 looks a bit low

I agree but since there's 5 active teams I guess it should be ok..anyway thank you for your job Luques

[Chense]

But for the number of active teams better reduce the number of riders cause 126 means maximum 72 flat for 54 mountain which is in my opinion the lowest mountain value to start training a classic rider. But lets see what is going on

[Vuvuzela]

hey guys. i was thinking about a comeback, but... i'm div 6-7 now and the riders i can buy are mostly shit. that means i would have to buy 9 riders and ride some months to get back to the good market, then sell them and buy better riders. well, that doesn't help my motivation to get back in business.

that's my point of view from div 7.

edit: you fear people will abuse the system? maybe set riders bought on div 6-7 when you sell them they will be sold to div 6-7 no matter in which division you are, or make them disappear completely after selling.
but don't fuck old managers when they want to come back. other games even support returning users with some bonus

[Pokemon Club]

Luques :

"- Values of Youth Riders for div 6-7 have been limited in the following way:
Mountain + Flat should not be more than 126 "

But max skill is the same ?

[luques]

Luques :

"- Values of Youth Riders for div 6-7 have been limited in the following way:
Mountain + Flat should not be more than 126 "

But max skill is the same ?

Yes

[Pokemon Club]

So 52-74 and 71-53 max skills ?

[luques]

So 52-74 and 71-53 max skills ?

I think 71-55 should be possible no?

[Pokemon Club]

So 52-74 and 71-53 max skills ?

I think 71-55 should be possible no?

Yes

[luques]

So 52-74 and 71-53 max skills ?

I think 71-55 should be possible no?

Yes

So yes in general sum not more than 126 with all possible combinations

[Pokemon Club]

So 52-74 and 71-53 max skills ?

I think 71-55 should be possible no?

Yes

So yes in general sum not more than 126 with all possible combinations

even 63-63 ?

[luques]

Not sure but I think not, as the system creates some types of riders the flat one with max 56mountain and 74 flat, and the climber. The others usually are more weak, but let me know if you find something

[Team Australia]

hey guys. i was thinking about a comeback, but... i'm div 6-7 now and the riders i can buy are mostly shit. that means i would have to buy 9 riders and ride some months to get back to the good market, then sell them and buy better riders. well, that doesn't help my motivation to get back in business.

that's my point of view from div 7.

edit: you fear people will abuse the system? maybe set riders bought on div 6-7 when you sell them they will be sold to div 6-7 no matter in which division you are, or make them disappear completely after selling.
but don't fuck old managers when they want to come back. other games even support returning users with some bonus

I was looking at the market from time to time in the last couple of weeks and I can relate to that.

Moreover (and I don't know where else to post this): Is it commonly known when riders get deleted after being sold? There are certain riders on the market who have zero points and zero races, but have been bought and sold be a team. In particular, there is a rider with 86 mountain on the div 6 market that must have trained while being in a team, but who never did a single race. On the other hand, there are riders being sold that just disappear, even if they are not older than 33. Is there a rule or something when a rider gets deleted and when he reappears on the market?