training systèm

[Coroncina2]

Lucky train start to bè too important to win. So all gamè start to bè a lottèry.
Many ridèrs losè 20% or morè and othèrs takè many 2% - 5% this makè thè diffèrncè from a normal classic 70 - 80 to a 74 87 for èxaplè.
I proposè to changè thè systèm:
thè % will bè no morè thè "luck" to train but points.
For èxaplè
At 21y train flat with 95% 90% 85% 80% = 350% = 3 trains +50% to usè nèxt months.
This is just a proposè, I don t know how much data will cost and if RSF con do it, but I think wè should changè.
Only lucky man in train win a lot, may bè likè this tèams ablè to train and play will win morè.

PS: why èvèr thè samè tèam takè nicè train and samè tèams takè bad train? If I pay a licènsè I havè samè bonusès or othèrs maybè fair play tèam, drowing racès, forum modèratos ètc havè morè bènèfit? Could bè ok bècausè it s clearly about their that gamè continuè.( I dont think lèso alonè can and want do it).
just for clarity 10€/6 months arè not too much and I can pay 10€ morè if gamè will bècamè morè clèar or to havè samè bonusès than othèrs

[Pokemon Club]

If you want a clearer game first buy a new keyboard
Anyway the training is good like that. Managers can just adapt their way of riding with the riders they have. If you want something new IMO it can be nice to more differents skills for riders in market, 56-74/66, 73-56/59, 50-59/82 maybe aren't necessarry

[Coroncina2]

Said who have 89 flat paveé 86.9 and a triple train at 21 years 56-65-74 with Akito. If I risk to duble trai most of it I take only 1 even at 21 (Lorenzo Saldi 1* train at 21 years fail to take 68 sprint).
But I'm lucky to get triple train in real strong rider Safee Sali (52 62 73 51 52 38 paveé 58.1) bought to keep salary low but now if he continue to trai well I have to make a team for him..

[Pokemon Club]

Said who have 89 flat paveé 86.9 and a triple train at 21 years 56-65-74 with Akito. If I risk to duble trai most of it I take only 1 even at 21 (Lorenzo Saldi 1* train at 21 years fail to take 68 sprint).
But I'm lucky to get triple train in real strong rider Safee Sali (52 62 73 51 52 38 paveé 58.1) bought to keep salary low but now if he continue to trai well I have to make a team for him..

Bah I have a 89 flat rider, how many people alreadyy have a 89 flat ? A lot I think. Anyway take Chitoge she has a really bad training, and generally I am unnlucky with training so.

No what I say is that I don't see why we have 73-56, 56-74, but not 65-65 for exemple

[lesossies]

Said who have 89 flat paveé 86.9 and a triple train at 21 years 56-65-74 with Akito. If I risk to duble trai most of it I take only 1 even at 21 (Lorenzo Saldi 1* train at 21 years fail to take 68 sprint).
But I'm lucky to get triple train in real strong rider Safee Sali (52 62 73 51 52 38 paveé 58.1) bought to keep salary low but now if he continue to trai well I have to make a team for him..

Bah I have a 89 flat rider, how many people alreadyy have a 89 flat ? A lot I think. Anyway take Chitoge she has a really bad training, and generally I am unnlucky with training so.

No what I say is that I don't see why we have 73-56, 56-74, but not 65-65 for exemple

I had nothing against 65-65.

[Pokemon Club]

Said who have 89 flat paveé 86.9 and a triple train at 21 years 56-65-74 with Akito. If I risk to duble trai most of it I take only 1 even at 21 (Lorenzo Saldi 1* train at 21 years fail to take 68 sprint).
But I'm lucky to get triple train in real strong rider Safee Sali (52 62 73 51 52 38 paveé 58.1) bought to keep salary low but now if he continue to trai well I have to make a team for him..

Bah I have a 89 flat rider, how many people alreadyy have a 89 flat ? A lot I think. Anyway take Chitoge she has a really bad training, and generally I am unnlucky with training so.

No what I say is that I don't see why we have 73-56, 56-74, but not 65-65 for exemple

I had nothing against 65-65.

So it isn't impossible that one day we can find young riders at 65-65 73tt, 68-60 or, 60-70 70 sprint for example ?

[Coroncina2]

Bah I have a 89 flat rider, how many people alreadyy have a 89 flat ? A lot I think.
this is thè point. I train lot of 74 but no morè that 88 and now my bèst is a 87

[Pokemon Club]

Bah I have a 89 flat rider, how many people alreadyy have a 89 flat ? A lot I think.
this is thè point. I train lot of 74 but no morè that 88 and now my bèst is a 87

Actually there is a 32 riders with 89 or more, reach 89 flat = 88 mountain, and there is 35 88 or more climbers. So I don't feel particulary lucky, she just train very well.

[Liquigas-CND]

I think we should have max 56-71, 55-72, 54-73, 53-74 - this way we ll have less monsters (76-82, 74-87 etc) and more fun.
Similar rules should be done for classic sprinters or classics with TT.

I dont see we we need 73-56-75 with 56+sprint or 54+TT

The actual system made a lot of teams to pyr even 5-600 K above 100% for perfect classics or perfect climbers.


Regarding the training system, never understood the algorithm works ...

[Pokemon Club]

I think we should have max 56-71, 55-72, 54-73, 53-74 - this way we ll have less monsters (76-82, 74-87 etc) and more fun.
Similar rules should be done for classic sprinters or classics with TT.

I dont see we we need 73-56-75 with 56+sprint or 54+TT

The actual system made a lot of teams to pyr even 5-600 K above 100% for perfect classics or perfect climbers.


Regarding the training system, never understood the algorithm works ...

The biggest monstres aren't not necessary the riders with the best skills at 21 yo. Anyway, the problem isn't the level of some riders, it is managers who thinks trainings do all in the game.

[Liquigas-CND]

Dear all,

In my opinion Coroncina has enough reasons to believe that RSF Training Mafia exists and is among us.

I would like to bring to your attention some perfect trainings happening continuously mainly to only couple of teams:

SM bought in 2016 3 riders 55+ 72+ and has now 3 nice classics all above 75 mountain and 78 flat at 29-30 Years old.
This is not happening only this year, last year he had Gorazd Batagelj 77-81 (max skills), Valdis Ernestovskis 77-82 (max skills).

Basically SM had 5 monsters classics out of 6-7 classics purchased during 2 years.

Tulpen (The worsd one) has now the following classic riders: 74-81, 75-78, 76-82, 79-84. Almost perfect training, how come all those riders trained perfectly? i dont think is his training knowledge or only luck.

I will compare their "luck" or "knowledge" with my experience with classics:

I bought 3 classics /year and only one reached 75-77 and another one 74-76. So 2 out of 6 in my case reached decent skills but they did not became monsters.
I see also other teams having many classics but most of them reach max 74-80


Considering all the above reasons, on behalf of the greatest team ever existed Liquigas-CND, I request to find and ban the persons responsible for this "system malfunction". I will not call it RSF Mafia for the moment.

I expect serious investigations and at least 6 months of ban for the ones involved in this "cosa nostra".

Thank You for your prompt actions,
Team Liquigas-CND

[Chense]

Well interesting thought again ... but just take me as mediocre example:

I sometimes have some kind of monsters namely 77-80, 78-77 63sp, 84-71 but sometimes also only mostly average riders like 72-78,73-79 and so on

[sylvainmeteo]

Dear all,

In my opinion Coroncina has enough reasons to believe that RSF Training Mafia exists and is among us.

I would like to bring to your attention some perfect trainings happening continuously mainly to only couple of teams:

SM bought in 2016 3 riders 55+ 72+ and has now 3 nice classics all above 75 mountain and 78 flat at 29-30 Years old.
This is not happening only this year, last year he had Gorazd Batagelj 77-81 (max skills), Valdis Ernestovskis 77-82 (max skills).

Basically SM had 5 monsters classics out of 6-7 classics purchased during 2 years.

I can give you the list !
2015
Zalagkitis (73/82) start 54/74
Krasivoulos (73/80) start 56/74
2014
Ongais (77/81) start 55/74 I think
Razek (75/80) start 55/73 I think
Szabiczok (76/80) start 56/73 I think
2013
Hmiel (72/79) start 55/73 I think
Hlohovsky (76/83) start 55/73 I think
2012
Galovec (74/81)
Arbuckle (75/79)
Majcek (74/78)
Rupnik (73/81)
Grzymkowiak (72/80)
2011
Kulukowski (most notable fail ever ; only 70/77) start 55/72

[Liquigas-CND]

Important mentions:

2015
Zalagkitis (73/82) start 54/74 63 Sprint
Krasivoulos (73/80) start 56/74 60 sprint

[Coroncina2]

I'm probably not one of best player here but in math I was quite good, at least good enough to know that probability shows only show almost nothing with few dates. Example trough a dice with 6 faces few times we can get 2 times a 6 or a 3 and a 5, really difficult to know the result. But with big amount of data we will see almost the same number of times the same faces. Teorema di Bernoulli
So here it's ok if twice I lost 90% and twice I takes 10% but I'm talking about all team in all year played. If system work for all at same way we wouldn't have same monsters in same teams.
Now I thought a way to misure the lucky coefficient of training:
The most point we have with the fewest percentage we training should show the lucky we have.
Example:
Xuri Zhang training with 8% 1% 1% 0% 1% and got 1 mountain
Average training 2,2% average point 0,2
Lucky coefficient 9.09 here I think I was lucky
Dainese (aux ttrider ) train 0% 0% 0% 81% 0% and normally ( or at least not so lucky as Xuri ) got tt point
Average training 16% average point 0,2
Lucky coefficient 1.23
If we use it for all team we will see how much lucky we are.
With last training session I got -0,2pt\-4,63% so 0,48 lucky coefficient.
You?

I wrote it gen 29, 2016 11:10 pm

and this

If we post even the relative percentages before training I think we can see more about system.
Maybe at the end of year we can find the most lucky team of 2016

But seem it's all ok even if same teams got mosters training and same teams regular or shit trining.
So keep kalm and win with that you can play

[Pokemon Club]

If you do nothing for uptraining, fix at least downtraining,the % show is definitively not the truth.

[Liquigas-CND]

I cannot just see how only couple of teams are the beneficiaries of monster classics, it is unfair.
We have to fight with this RSF Training Mafia, it's not normal to take advantage of such unfair training.

cannot be only "luck and knowledge" of 2-3 managers... we are not all stupid and unlucky and only 2-3 managers are lucky and intelligent... really?

I would bet 1000 EUR that SM will have again in July-October 2017 at least 2 classics with 75+ mountain 78+ flat out of 3 classics purchased.

[Chense]

I'm probably not one of best player here but in math I was quite good, at least good enough to know that probability shows only show almost nothing with few dates. Example trough a dice with 6 faces few times we can get 2 times a 6 or a 3 and a 5, really difficult to know the result. But with big amount of data we will see almost the same number of times the same faces. Teorema di Bernoulli
So here it's ok if twice I lost 90% and twice I takes 10% but I'm talking about all team in all year played. If system work for all at same way we wouldn't have same monsters in same teams.
Now I thought a way to misure the lucky coefficient of training:
The most point we have with the fewest percentage we training should show the lucky we have.
Example:
Xuri Zhang training with 8% 1% 1% 0% 1% and got 1 mountain
Average training 2,2% average point 0,2
Lucky coefficient 9.09 here I think I was lucky
Dainese (aux ttrider ) train 0% 0% 0% 81% 0% and normally ( or at least not so lucky as Xuri ) got tt point
Average training 16% average point 0,2
Lucky coefficient 1.23
If we use it for all team we will see how much lucky we are.
With last training session I got -0,2pt\-4,63% so 0,48 lucky coefficient.
You?

I wrote it gen 29, 2016 11:10 pm

and this

If we post even the relative percentages before training I think we can see more about system.
Maybe at the end of year we can find the most lucky team of 2016

But seem it's all ok even if same teams got mosters training and same teams regular or shit trining.
So keep kalm and win with that you can play

Well still same for me - Lets have a look at the percentages after the month for my team and the training:

Ferstl: M/F 100% / 87% - 4/3 Looks Normal - even a 4th flat train could be expected
Fiala: M/F 90%/11% - 4/1 Here Mountain pretty normal - flat train is extra
Haider: F 95% - 4 Totally Normal
Kessler: M/TT/S 4%/-16%/1% - 0/0/1 This one is lucky for sprint - tt normal chance of roughly 50% for one down
Lavoleri: M/F/D/TT 21%/3%/-13%/-11% 1/1/0/-1 Looks pretty normal for mountain - Flat Lucky - The tt train also pretty normal (35% for one down)
Luitz: F/D 38%/-10% 2/0 A bit over average for flat - DH normal but can happen or not happen
Pfnür: M/F 96%/62% 4/4 Okay this one is really a bit lucky normally to expect 4/3 or even 4/2
Sawadogo: M/F/TT/S 3%/2%/-12%/8% 0/0/-2/0 Okay this guy is special trains down tt every month never trained up anything in 10 trainings so a bit underaverage training
Schäringer: M/D 9%/1% 0/0 He just keeps on staying on his values since 12 trainings except one down on tt which led to now 0% on tt
Stehle: M/F/D/TT 1%/14%/2%/-13% 0/0/0/-1 Yeah expected could be 0 for all but its also pretty much average
Tonetti: F/D 46%/-11% 1/0 A little underaverage maybe but 1 or 2 is possible
vonGrünigen: M/F 92%/47% 4/2 Yeah pretty much what is to expect from a 22 yr old guy
Yuasa: F 16% 0 Okay this guy never trains since he is here indeed

So lets have a look: 5 totally average training i would say, 4 that are a bit better then average, 1 really lucky, 3 slightly underaverage ... So i can´t see real problems at least for my team ... also for the last months ... yes Kessler with a Monster Training indeed but otherwise guys like yuasa, sawadogo are basically not training at all and most are just training pretty average. And i really dont feel cheated by the game, some mafia or something else ... There are much bigger problems in RSF like the tons of idiots riding for place 20, riding for another team, riding for nothing in the world

Your lucky coefficient is btw. completely shitty ^^

[Liquigas-CND]

It seems Liquigas is not lucky, as always, Miguel is not traing for months, same situation was with Predrag in the past; now when his mountain chances show 4% i dont even hope to train...

Training 27.9.2016:
Matias Delgado Flach: -1
Matias Delgado Abfahrt: -1
Andrés Velasquez Berg: -1
Andrés Velasquez Flach: -1
Predrag Zivkovic Abfahrt: -1
Wouter Mathijssen Zeit: -1
Magnus Nordahl Flach: +1
Sven Torstensson Berg: +1
Carlo Genovese Flach: +1
Carlo Genovese Sprint: +1

[Liquigas-CND]

Allagen conviced me to stop commenting abt this issue , for the moment.


Liquigas-CND<10:23>: Alaggen convinced me
Liquigas-CND<10:23>: ok i will stop commenting abt this...
RV Allagen<10:23>: but sm is not able to ride like a top5 manager, so it does not matter if he has got this monster riders
RV Allagen<10:22>: and he did not protect downhill like most of the teams in the game. so it´s allways some % more hill
Luques<10:22>: oh gosh
RV Allagen<10:21>: and sm allways buy riders with 55-56 climb and 74 flat. so 73-80 is just normal training. some of his riders have 75-76, okay, little bit lucky for sure
Liquigas-CND<10:21>: but the same teams were lucky last year...
RV Allagen<10:20>: it´s just normal that 1-2 teams had a lot of luck and some had no luck
RV Allagen<10:19>: i see one team with luck and the other 1000 teams without that luck you do not see
RV Allagen<10:18>: i have 3 riders at the age of 21. all missed 85-95 % 1-3 times this month. rsf-mafia!
Liquigas-CND<10:18>: Allagen, what do you think abt this issue? can this be only coincidence or not? same teams to have 2-3 ,monsters classics per years?