I am not used to complain here, but something has to stop, so here it is.
I know, I talk about Big Donkey, Petit Singe, Robyklebt, one of the oldest players here in RSF, a monument for many of us ... but still, this does not allow him to break the basic fair-play rules of respect of others. Today, I ask you to review that case and use your power to make this unacceptable behaviour stop.
A bit of background :
I was riding TDF with Big Donkey and some others teams. So, we were riding 3 weeks together on a daily basis. There, he started to express his hate and insults towards me on a daily basis. Unfortunately, I did not think to save his words as a proof at that time; thinking that he would stop and that it's not such a big deal.
The fact it's that when insults, provocations and bad behaviors towards one persone are repeated on a daily basis, it becomes a big deal.
During that TDF, he obviously did not like some things I was doing (the way I was riding, or the way I was chatting in the chat), that's his right and his opinion, no problem about that. The problem is that it turns out that from his opinion come insults and provocations on a daily basis in that TDF in July.
I did not break any fair-play rule during TDF, about the tactics or about the respect to other players. I don't consider that I acted bad or did things that were bad, only him thought it. It was only his opinion and nothing linked to the rules of fair-play. Sorry if I insist on that point, looks important to me.
From the TDF, he started to talk bad about me, with daily provocations and insults. I don't have proofs of it (before 06-08) as I said, but maybe some other players can remember it. I did nont react bad to his provocation, trying sometimes to argue, but as it was senseless and pointless imo, I decided to stop doing it and be silent.
After the TDF
After the TDF, we used to meet again many times in similar races. And he decided to not stop his provocations and insults. I was silent for some weeks, never answering him, just hoping he would get bored or others would make him silent. But he did not.
So, I decided to talk again and try to see how we could end up that situation. No solution was found or given, all answers I could get were more and more insulting and offensive. His only answer was to say it's payback time (after what he did not like in TDF (which was nothing wrong)) and that he proposed me to talk in PM and I did not send him any, so my chance to speak was gone.
During all races, from the end of July til now (except last few days when we are not riding in the same group), I had to experience insults and bad words from him. Not only trying to affect me with that, I realized that his words were also having influence on some other players sharing the race with us.
This does count
Yes, RSF is only a game. Yes, we should all take things easy. But no, getting provocated and insulted on a daily basis for weeks is not something to take easy.
I got very bored of it, very pissed of it, and tried my best to never over react and go mad at him.
But enough is enough. I don't want to be pissed after a race only cause once again I did not enjoy RSF time because of his insults and provocations using half of space in the chat.
Even if it's only online game and everything should be all right, believe me that it does affect your mood after a while, and also makes you hate what you liked : spending a good time playing RSF !
This week, I am having a good time on RSF because we don't share the same race. But everybody should be able to have a good time on RSF, who ever is in the group or not, right ?
The words :
Here is a list of words from I saved from chat in our races.
I started to save some of these moments in August, but it started weeks earlier during the TDF.
I insist on the repetitiveness, the ruthlessness and stubbornness of his attacks during the past weeks. And don't forget that what is here is only a short part of what was said from him, as he was talking bad in dozens of races from early in July.
(sorry if sometimes the copy/paste made it a bit in wrong order (down/up, up/down reading), by reading you will easily understand anyway)
06/08
OLcycle: that's not how yapping sound. you saying whine whine whine and repeating non stop the same stuff seems more like yapping. once again I will repeat : I just wrote something yesterday to share with others the fact that you were not here.
Big Donkey: that's yapping around... .but now you should go and show us that you are a huge hypocrite and write something in the winter thread....
Big Donkey: yap around, yes...
Big Donkey: You could simply ask me to stop:)
OLcycle: not*
OLcycle: I did yap around, I just wrote 1 sentence saying it was nice race without you, can't I express my feeling about yesterday's race ?
OLcycle: I allow possibilities of change, but I won't change my tactics and my plans just cause you think I should
![Wink ;)](./images/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif)
OLcycle: who cares about fair play vote, you want to amuse me and provoke me but writing shit there, ok, let's play that really amusing game for ever
Big Donkey: Again, a arrogant and assholish stance...
Big Donkey: Then you're not listening, listening without allowing any possibilities for change is not real listening....
Big Donkey: And I don't mean Noel Coward either.
OLcycle: that's your opinion that I did wrong, not mine. you can think whatever you want, I can listen to it, but won't change anything about my idea about my team during that race
Big Donkey: For days when I'm here you say nothing, as soon as I'm not hear you start yapping around.
Big Donkey: Oh.... see, that's a COWARD
Big Donkey: Hihi, haha
Big Donkey: Well... you are the guy taking it so seriously that you even just give me -2 because I give you -2!
OLcycle: yesterday, I just said it was good without you, cause at least you were not here to write bad things on me and pissing on me as usual since weeks
OLcycle: opponent ? opponent of what ? arguing over some game in a PM on the internet ... opponent ... you are funny
Tulpengeneral: no i hope he ignores me
![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif)
Big Donkey: I'm a donkey, not an ape, du Tulpenkorporal du!!!!
OLcycle: laugh as much as you want, I still don't care, treat me of all names you want, I don;t care, I am hypocrite, ok. but then Hipocrite would not loose time in Nancy and keep hunting stages all way long, if I felt I had a chance and wanted GK, I ve have done things in a another way to try to get then ... anyway, I am just repeating myself, you are just not able to understand that my opinion is different and that I did not play for gk, but whatever.
Big Donkey: Or said in other words. an asshole
Big Donkey: Not man enough to man up to your mistakes
Big Donkey: Not man enough to listen to what in the opinion of the opponent you did wrong
Big Donkey: Not man enough to face "the opponent"...
Tulpengeneral: this ape ignores me
Big Donkey: Well, but yesterday as soon as I was not here you found the courage to wrote disparaging comments... that makes you a coward.
OLcycle: you think I care ? I did not even answered once even if you try to attack me on chats every day since the end of Tdf, I am just a little annoyed now, cause it gets repetitive and it seems that you are only looking for fights and aggressiveness here, if you don't have anything else to think about in your life and in rsf than trying to annoy me and make me react here ... poor you
rexon: in the normal menu i think this is the problem
Big Donkey: No chance only because you ride like an idiot... if you ride sensibly...
Tulpengeneral: what did i do, roby?
![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif)
Big Donkey: Hihihihihi, hahahaha, hehehehe... you're such a hypocrite.
OLcycle: I said I knew I had no chance, I was talking about my opinion about my rider. that's all.
Big Donkey: You obviously.
OLcycle: since when writing a PM makes you man ? and I do not give a shit about you being pissed. be pissed if you want, be angry if you want, who cares ...
Big Donkey: And funny to hear from YOU that others "know what would have happened"... your whole tour was telling everybody you knew what would happen....
Big Donkey: If you don't understand WHAT pissed me off, write me a PM, more than happy to explain it to you in details.. .but you're not man enough for that I guess.
OLcycle: sure sure
Big Donkey: It's a pretty much on target description of your chat behavioiur in the Tour de France... whine whine whine, ride for me, ride for me, ride for me.
Big Donkey: It's not an insult.
OLcycle: sure, keep insulting me
![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif)
OLcycle: sure, you know what would have happened ..
Big Donkey: Over TdF? Long time ago, nothing to get over for me either, I won, who cares....getting over your hypocrisy, your asshole behaviour the whole time is harder.
Big Donkey: He would have won green easily. You had more chances for yellow than green:)
OLcycle: of course, you know what would have happened if he stayed, you master of predictions
Girl Power : gw geier
Big Donkey: And easier to work with "sprint now" etc.... but all from the sprint thing itself
Big Donkey: rexon, are you sprinting from the tactic tab or in the sprint thing directly?
Big Donkey: See, not only you benefit from gifts OL! And this was less a gift than 50% of what Quickstep stuffed up your ass in the tour.... including green which he had won if he stayed.. hihi
08/08
Big Donkey: And retard OL isn't getting that I talk about the last hill.... then whatever chances he missed before didn't matter anymore, there the best for him was to try the sieb... which YOU in my position would have told him.
Big Donkey: After I attacked was pretty clear that the tempo would get higher....
Big Donkey: Your usual problem, you can't focus on more than one thing....
rexon: one km to late i set this but then dane with his 71-83 was in tempo
OLcycle: he had opportunity to get me in trouble, way before that last climb
![Wink ;)](./images/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif)
Big Donkey: Or you could just follow the donkeys:)
Big Donkey: The attack was actually worth a try, not much else you could try there....
13/08
Without talking to me (no answer from me in the chat), he stills talks bad about me to others :
Big Donkey: Ayay BW, big mistake, if now you don't win OL will whine about your lack of fairplay and decent riding for years
Big Donkey: You have to know that OL isn't riding for the win, he just wants mountain points probably....
bergwerk: your are on my 2nd side
Big Donkey: I'd prefer not to be on the same list as OL
Big Donkey: Or ask OL, he knows everything!
Big Donkey: Well, 14-16 tours are not that good anymore anyway, since OL started riding here the level definetly went down...
Big Donkey: il sait même pas compter en plus le retardé
Big Donkey: P3, il a P3...
24/08
Big Donkey: But ok, he's kind of a retard, so possibly he actually is riding for him
Big Donkey: Don't think he's really riding for him, using the riders he used for the chase...
Big Donkey: Ah, the OL guy?
Big Donkey: Who's Algot?
WhereStheBlueLake: yeah, let's all ride for algot
Big Donkey: Winter calendar you retard.
Big Donkey: Serious topic for RSF is what I meant. Which you know.. .so why the need to make believe you don't know? Again... .show how small minded you are.
25/08
Big Donkey: And as I said yesterday, I always treated you with respect. The respect you deserve. Ok, lately not, I treat you with MORE respect than you worm deserve.
Big Donkey: Anyway... since we have time now, how about you start the consequences you pussy?
Big Donkey: Ah.... but what is really interesting then is: Why the constant need to piss on those that tried to make the winter calendar better in the last few years? Why the lies about how it worked? Why call them a "lobby" instead of just accepting that they tried to improve the winter calendar the same way you try now.. and got no response collaboration like you do know? That's why you're a complete asshole in the end.
PS :
Today (12/09) :
Big Donkey<18:48>: So... if he isn't man enough (I'm pretty sure he isn't, he's a little pussy) (so you have more for your whiny thread little OL, copy-paste)
Big Donkey<18:56>: And you and the pussy OL are right that it can be improved.
Extra :
And he is not only insulting me, even if he made a good effort focussing on me over the past weeks.
He can easily insult anyone in the game, as this small example caught in the general chat of the game shows it :
(start to read from down)
BlackEnergie<18:16>: pour incitation au suicide?:)
Big Donkey<18:16>: T'est pas trop "bright" en plus il semble
Big Donkey<18:16>: Moi bien sur connard
BlackEnergie<18:16>: je suis censé faire quoi porter plainte aux keufs?:)
BlackEnergie<18:16>: Finalement toi c'est qu'un petit fils de pute nul, je te recommande le suicide, le plus tot possible. dixit donkey. qui abuse lui ou moi?
BlackEnergie<18:15>: certaines fois on perd on dit rien c est logique on dit gw...mais là j ai juste un doute. c 'est peut etre une parano je dis pas mais j ai un doute c est tout pas de quoi me faire traiter comme ca
Big Donkey<18:14>: The sooner he stops, the better. By suicide or not, in the end don't really care
Big Donkey<18:14>: The guy is just an asshole clearly, thinks he's so good he's unbeatable unless other cheat.
BlackEnergie<18:14>: mais je suis un nul
BlackEnergie<18:13>: assedic : 6 victoires une place de deux en 8 courses:)
Big Donkey<18:13>: I have a shit team, I didn't win, only logical conclusion is: IT WAS A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!
RideforMoney<18:13>: ouais
RideforMoney<18:13>: Ardèche Team<18:00>: en meme temps dans ce jeu , avec leur skype ou chpa quoi ils traficent les courses
Big Donkey<18:13>: Why do you guys welcome back utter assholes like BlackEnergie?
BlackEnergie<18:12>: merci ardeche en effet c'est surement possible. moi j ai agresse personne. alors pourquoi ce type (le primate) me parle comme ca on peut savoir?
TeamRasta<18:10>: anyway welcome back
![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif)
Luques<18:10>: Banned for multi
r Sukuran Pokemon<18:10>: hum don't remember Assedic !
TeamRasta<18:10>: and who was assedic team, 17 races and 6 wins doesnt seems realistic
Luques<18:08>: then they decided to do a professional painting and put them somewhere near the centre
BlackEnergie<18:08>: assedic team
Big Donkey<18:08>: But no Tsoy no fun I guess.!
Luques<18:08>: the major was angry saying he doesn't not tolerate this kind of thing on the most important street of the city.... but then many people started protesting
Big Donkey<18:08>: Good music!
Luques<18:07>: nice thing, the same day they painted on the main street on a wall big graffiti of Tsoy
r Sukuran Pokemon<18:07>: r Sukuran Pokemon is excellent, Aisaka Taiga is excellent
Big Donkey<18:07>: Non mais serieux... les débutants qui voient les arrangement quand il ne gagne pas.... j'en ai marre, qu0ils arretent s'il sont pas capable de perdre
Luques<18:06>: btw... went to the Kino concert
r Sukuran Pokemon<18:06>: erase
Luques<18:06>: what Excellent?
Big Donkey<18:06>: Excellent
r Sukuran Pokemon<18:06>: Totally rease this defeat of my memory
![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif)
Big Donkey<18:06>: Je vais pas loins... il l'a déjà fais il semble....
r Sukuran Pokemon<18:06>: ah yes, Blom !
Luques<18:05>: YNGVE!
Luques<18:05>: against you!
Luques<18:04>: but it's becoming harder and harder to find 2 hours when I'm in Rus
r Sukuran Pokemon<18:04>: :O ? When ?
Luques<18:04>: Last time I won
![Razz :P](./images/smilies/icon_razz.gif)
r Sukuran Pokemon<18:03>: No need a conspiracy against Luques, longtime I don't see this team in a race !
RideforMoney<18:03>: ouais enfin le singe, t'vas loin.
Luques<18:03>: Andrey is leaving anyway
Lotto-Belisol<18:02>: mdr c'est qui ce black energie
Luques<18:02>: Against Luques!
r Sukuran Pokemon<18:02>: A conspiracy against Andrey ?
Luques<18:01>: buuuuuu
r Sukuran Pokemon<18:01>: offf, le numéro ce mois ci il est pas en haut grace à Skype, ca c'est une certitude !
Luques<18:01>: There is a BIG Conspiracy to make Luques lose
Ardèche Team<18:00>: en meme temps dans ce jeu , avec leur skype ou chpa quoi ils traficent les courses
r Sukuran Pokemon<17:59>: hum y en a qui ont 1000 courses qui pensent tjrs ça lol
Big Donkey<17:59>: Allez, bye bye
Big Donkey<17:59>: Finalement toi c'est qu'un petit fils de pute nul, je te recommande le suicide, le plus tot possible.
I think, a conclusion is not even needed. Words are speaking for it.
Thank you FPC for reading this all and treating that case.