March 2013

[Robyklebt]

RVV done. Some changes, see other thread


De Panne: Will check if that helps, but it might not actually. Plus tracked stage 1 already anyway... and then will check if my devilish plan for stage 2 works.

[Robyklebt]

Hills: 6 7 6 6 5
Pavé 3 3



IMO exactly the same as 2012, just a different intermediate sprint.. so just copied it from 2012 and changed that. (the leso version the same, so ok too)

nr 4 just adapted the leso version, since IMO that one was PERFECT. ok, added 2 *, think last year somebody found out there was some kind of pavé in the TT too, and changed 4 to 3b. Won't bother putting the pic up here.

Nr 2... my devilish plan nr 1 didn't work. Thought might be exactly the same as 2012 apart the start.. grr. Plan 2 is: Let Gaurain do it since I gave that Kemmelberg region up....
If that doesn't work: Plan 3 is: Leso puts in the GPMs.... and let's forget the whole thing!

[S L Benfica]

hi all!

In mars volta ao alentejo

5 estages 20 Mar - 24 Mar

[Radunion]

Back again to the topic of time bonification. Is it possible to get real time bonification for important tours, like Paris - Nice or Tirreno Adriatico? Both races award standart bonifications of 10-6-4 at the end of the stage and 3-2-1 for the intermediate sprints, including the mountain top finishes (but not the time trials). It would be nice to have the same rules in the game.

Another interesting point is the rule for the green jersey. Both races award the same amount of points for all races (including the mountain top finishes and the TT, but not the TTT). While PT offers a standart point system with 25 points for the stage winner and 3 points for the winner on an intermediate sprint, TA puts more focus on the intermediate sprints with 5 points for the winner and just 12 points for the stage victory.

I think change of time bonifications and points for as many races as possible could make the game closer to reality, and could help to feel the uniqueness of the races in the game.

[S L Benfica]

speaking of reality! Why so much tax? . so it is very difficult to make money ...

[Rockstar Inc]

@leso: really? 04.03., 5.3. and 07.3. three of this idiotic 7 riders races and at the 08.03. a 6 rider race?

[lesossies]

@leso: really? 04.03., 5.3. and 07.3. three of this idiotic 7 riders races and at the 08.03. a 6 rider race?

I didn´t remark it, maybe I´ll change some ones
Herakleon with 8 riders OK

[lesossies]

GP Medina has been canceled ...

[Radunion]

I thought the number of riders is the designer's choice. I think it is good to have races for 9, 8, 7 end even 6 riders. It changes the character of the race quite significantly, but I think this is nice. In reality many smaller races are raced with 6 rider teams. As far as I know they are more chaotic, so do not fear the chaos in the game too much. Having similar races in a row is just a coincidence and I see no reason to change it. In February we had one cat 1 race with 7 riders and one with 9, all the others with 8. I think this is too less variety.

Talking about the Herakleon race. Maybe not the best race for 7 riders with over 200 km, but I thought it could be too easy to control with 8 or 9 riders. So 7 riders gives the escapees a better chance and forces the teams behind to collaborate. If you really want change it do it, but 7 riders were the intention for the race.

[Radomiak]

I thought the number of riders is the designer's choice. I think it is good to have races for 9, 8, 7 end even 6 riders. It changes the character of the race quite significantly, but I think this is nice. In reality many smaller races are raced with 6 rider teams. As far as I know they are more chaotic, so do not fear the chaos in the game too much. Having similar races in a row is just a coincidence and I see no reason to change it. In February we had one cat 1 race with 7 riders and one with 9, all the others with 8. I think this is too less variety.

Talking about the Herakleon race. Maybe not the best race for 7 riders with over 200 km, but I thought it could be too easy to control with 8 or 9 riders. So 7 riders gives the escapees a better chance and forces the teams behind to collaborate. If you really want change it do it, but 7 riders were the intention for the race.

This year ENECO tour and Tour de Pologne(both pro tour races) going to be ride with teams of 6 riders, so I think we should expect more races with less riders.

[skull]

Why is Harelbeke downgraded to Cat 4 ?

[NoPikouze]

Hey guys, I'm here to complain as usual

Well it's a little bit annoying that when I come home (right now), there is not any race left to ride today... Maybe I wasnt paying enough attention, but I thought most of the time there is a 23 or 24h edition of a race, any race, and tonight there is nothing... Should I (we) learn to anticipate on that (like, inscrip^tion one day before...), or could there be another solution ?

[lesossies]

Why is Harelbeke downgraded to Cat 4 ?

I know it is WT and we changed it last year from 4 to 5, but was it right ?

I can update it again to 5 if you want

[skull]

maybe the next (real-life) calendar restructuring makes it Cat 4 again
but at this moment i think its - like the last year - worth Cat 5

[Robyklebt]

Cat 5

Gent:
Amstel
Fleche
Heiliger Sebastian
Hamburg
Plouay
Paris Tours

Those clear and without discussion so far. Although there could be discussions about the last 3. PT is not in the WT. But it's certainly important enough to stay at cat 5. Hamburg and Plouay are pretty much shit, but WT... so ok, let's leave them there.
And there you have the answer for E3 as well. It's not as important as Gent or the Fleche, but is in the WT. And it's more important than the Hamburg/Plouay already... so cat 5.
Quebec and Montreal, long term they'll have to be cat 5 as well, since they are as important as Hamburg and Plouay. Meaning not really important, but in the WT.

[lesossies]

2:1 Ok
I upgrade it to Cat5 again

[team fl]

2:1 Ok
I upgrade it to Cat5 again

+1, just to support your decision

[Pokemon Club]

there is no race program for the 11 and the 12 for the moment

[NoPikouze]

Article
12. Bonifications
Des bonifications en temps reportées uniquement au
classement général individuel sont attribuées dans les
6 étapes en ligne suivant l’article
2.6.018 du règlement
de l’UCI.
L’attribution des bonifications est la suivante:
1°)à chaque sprint intermédiaire:
3“, 2“ et 1“ aux 3 premiers coureurs classés

2°)à l’arrivée des étapes:
10“, 6“ et 4“ aux 3 premiers coureurs classés

I dont actually care, but when the bonifications are everyday the same IRL, the designer should not select (and change everyday) flat/middle/mountain stages in RSF.

[Robyklebt]

Catalunya is on it seems, no map, only the route though. Started today


A 7 at 142

+3 the last km

Not much to say. Ok, tunnels suck, so the map is off at one place

Rest later.

[Vuvuzela]

tour please?

[lesossies]

Catalunya is on it seems, no map, only the route though. Started today
Rest later.

Can I help ?
If yes, say me which stage I should design, to prevent double work.

Criterium International seems to be the same like last year but I wait for more details.

[Robyklebt]

No no, should be ok. Forgot it after the first 3 stages, remembered it wednesday? Thought I do it yesterday, will do it today, should finish it today normally.

[Robyklebt]

Wanted to keep the % from last year from the end, but somehow then it ended up being almost 100 meters to high. So changed, but now doesn't fit with altimetrias.net (who usually are quite precise) anymore. Mintact at 148

Sprint stage normally, that what I declared it.


middle mountain. Officially from the last climb to the goal 14,5 km, I got 11..actually 10,5. there map goes where I pass, the rutometro doesn't make it much clearer either... ?



According to them the finishing circuit is 6,150 km long... to me it came out more like 6,7... ? So 7 km circuit, which still is quite a mess. 2 km at 5,7%... seemed less, more 5-5, but since they say it's 5,7 did 6-5. Then down just a bit over a km at 9%, then almost 500 meters at almost 10%? Then flattish, then down.... So? turned out as 1 6 5 -9 3 -4 -2... Don't really see how to simulate that 500meters at 10% in 7 km... especially since 7 is already 1 more than the official 6? If leso wants to give it a try.. have a go at it, no problem!

Edit: They have 2 intermediate sprints per stage. I guess that's the normal ones that give bonifications even there (although different than here) PLUS they have something for 100 Tour de France sprint... my guess is that it's a separate classification... that doesn't give time for the GC. Maybe take that out? Would be the last intermediate usually... or the one closest to km 100 probably

[lesossies]

I deleted the TDF special sprint out of the Catalunya Tour
Tour now online