Spring classics 2012

[Robyklebt]

Kwick question for CC: After the race of course, post it now anyway, before I forget.

Why did you let the Bayern/Eifel/Popielgroupe back? Didn't follow that closely, but... best sprinter in front, the team to control it IMO.. .why not put in another one and go?

Ok ok, if you ride for that stupid classic sprinter, you can drop them again... mmh, didn't think of that, writing helps.

[Quick]

Kwick question for CC: After the race of course, post it now anyway, before I forget.

Why did you let the Bayern/Eifel/Popielgroupe back? Didn't follow that closely, but... best sprinter in front, the team to control it IMO.. .why not put in another one and go?

Ok ok, if you ride for that stupid classic sprinter, you can drop them again... mmh, didn't think of that, writing helps.

Geht aber nur auf deutsch: Hätte Israel benutzen müssen, der aber semi-fit. Also noch sehr brauchbar. Einfach Angst vorm Capoberta. Scheiß 7ner das Jahr. Wenn dort Nikita gesiebt wird, was mach ich dann? Dort brauch ich Israel... mit 3 Fahrern kontrolliert man kein Feld gg einen Faksen und Wollschläger. Viel, viel blöder, dass ich am 6er dann mit JAT sieben wollte, anstatt mit Vino. Dachte einfach reicht um den Bayern-Hügelsprinter wegzusieben. Naja - also, brauchte einfach Israel in nem halbwegs vernünftigen Zustand nachm Capo Berta... weiß ja ned, wer bei Allagen fit is. Popiel sah aber nur so semifit aus...

[Robyklebt]

Bah... Yrjönpoika only second.... but with Gaurain there really couldn't win.
First sieb, didn't even have to do it myself on Capo Berta, ride with Montandon, so a lot of helpers in the back, as planned, then sieb on Cipressa... wait with Alighieri and Fahrny, ride the 4, the 2, downhill, Then Wei and Leibundgut, then the Poggio. Ah, even if I do that, on the Poggio I'm taken back... so didn't even put Fahrny or Alighieri on waiting... First think De Neve gets me back anyway... second if not Marechal Gaiolle in the next hill. Ok ok, should still have tried, now think, maybe maybe a wonder happens... .but actually the chance that Gaurain doesn't wait with one of the classics was bigger than that.... that was my biggest hope actually... Hihi. But unfortunately he knew what he was doing. So sprint, really easy for the sprinters I thought, Sprint, was clear too, I don't win with Yrjönpoika. Bain on him, maybe Bain overtakes him, but then ABC on escartinos who goes at 500, followed by Gaurain and Chaos, so I'm 5th. Mmh, ABC didn't follow escartinos, and IMO that was 95% the wheel to follow. 5% Yrjönpoika. Gaurain probably on Lelay, as he should 94 vs 92, and no Gaurain IMO my Yrjönpoika has chances to keep the sprinters away... Ok, no Gaurain no sprint anyway.. Bah, so Gutierrez first, Yrjönpoika second, ok for me, better 2nd than 5th... just can't believe ABC didn't follow escartinos... but Chaos... who cares about Chaos? He doesn't win. And if he does, ok, what's the big deal... STrange.

Generally not a very active group, like Het volk it seemed nobody really wanted to win.. BW showed some signs, Velo Piemonte.. too bad he was dropped though... ok, that was Montandons riding, otherwise.. ? Capo Berta and Cipressa were the 2 places to try for the classics, they tried even less then the Apes. Brrr.

OK, next year the apes will win again.

[gaurain rx]

I rode to win!

[Pokemon Club]

I rode to win!

me too !

[team fl]

E3 Harelbeke to come on Friday!

Team FL will join in the morning or in the afternoon. If somebody from Div. 1 pays enough, I ride escpecially hard against Alkworld

Line up will be:

x1 Nathaniel Biedermann
x2 Fred Colon
x3 Tim Hamberger / Xaver Unsinn / Pit Schlechter
x4 Toni Hassler
x5 Harry Hole
x6 Niels Hörnö
x7 Stefan Küng
x8 Wesley Lichtenkiesel
x9 Takashi Murakami

[Alkworld]

E3 Harelbeke to come on Friday!

Team FL will join in the morning or in the afternoon. If somebody from Div. 1 pays enough, I ride escpecially hard against Alkworld

I'll top that offer for keeping quiet

Team Alkworld will most likely ride at 10am with the following team:
1) Miguel Otero - The boss, Het Blad was just the start
2) Eliseo Alberto - will have to ride fast
3) Tupac Amaru - will have to ride even faster
4) Romulo Betancourt - likes siebing
5) Joaquin Camacho - the Arbeitstier
6) Romulo Gallegos - could use one more win after Dwars door Vlaanderen
7) Francisco deMiranda - another happy Helling sieber
8) Oscar Romero - the one who's active after the sieb
9) Ernesto Sabato - the wanna-be captain who's rarely allowed to win

[team fl]

Grrr... MSR 2nd, E3 2nd and 3rd... It's time for another classic win after Het Volk for Team FL.

[Robyklebt]

3rd, 3rd, Hugo Marxer after viewing the race lodged an official complaint, he said he won and demanded the win, that one was refused immediately, he's not even active anymore. Second official complaint was that Alighieri actually won the race, the jury is still discussing about that, Hugo just called me and said he thinks it's 99% sure that Leonardo will get this win.

Anyway, too bad that only 9 teams were starting, a bit surprised actually. No morning Coppi e Bartali, thought then at least the morning would get its participants. Obviously not... Ok, some scared of Alighieri, so not starting at 10h probably, still... But GW with Crit Int as well REALLY risks having a weak participation. If even E3 only 9 teams (and 0 that can hold Alighieri)... what will GW become? Ok, pavé seems to put some people off too.. .

Anyway, congrats for third and fourth FL (not official yet, but a matter of minutes Marxer said) and for second for Alk!

[team fl]

I'm glad to see Hugo already in action again, although his team chef seem to give him just nonsens jobs...

[team fl]

3 times sleeping and then its RVV-time! In long and hard negotiations, Team FL could save its participation after missing the race as defending champion last year. Most probably Team FL will ride in the evening at 20h, with the following line-up:

x1 Nathaniel Biedermann
x2 Fred Colon
x3 Tony Hassler
x4 Harry Hole
x5 Niels Hörnö
x6 Stefan "King" Küng
x7 Haruki Murakami
x8 Wesley Lichtenkiesel
x9 Xaver Unsinn

Perhaps, Team FL will even present a new face at RVV, but for sure at PR, for which Team FL is also proud to pronounce its participation already by now.

[Robyklebt]

Afternoon for the ape as usual. Mmh, Roubaix might have to go to a lesser time though, grrr, hate that.

The great leader will be Alighieri, the great support team will be the rest of the 8 riders. Maybe one of them has a good day? I actually expect the usual chicken race.

[Robyklebt]

GW Alk in the morning... really all as expected almost, including the attack:)

I just restrained Hugo from lodging another complaint.... but I really wonder what would have happened with Alighieri in the race.... not sure you can ride it like that then... because riding it like that I like Alighieri's chances even more It really sucks, because your team is somehow almost perfect for me... Yep, sure you would have adapted, but still, would have been interesting to see. Like that too actually, good race, good win.

I might be forced to join you in the morning for PR though, grrrr.. .the one race where even your team doesn't help me, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

[Alkworld]

What actually happened was somehow predictable, if viewed afterwards, also including my sec tricks, Allagen's siebing, farmer tricks and classic attack (which wasn't bad, but would better have been at 3%), the late attack and Sabato winning the sprint. But there were also many things which could have gone different, especially the attack (more following, Laandrin attacking at the same time) and sprint in the end. And it took me until almost the last km to change Otero's sprint to not help Sabato (Puig was still on the manager's mind), which probably would have ended up with a SM win, who had more helpers for his captain most of the time, neither made tempo nor attacked himself. After the last climb Oude Kwaremont the chance of winning was maybe around 50%, but it turned out well after all.

[Alkworld]

... but I really wonder what would have happened with Alighieri in the race.... not sure you can ride it like that then... because riding it like that I like Alighieri's chances even more

Leo would have had very good chances. He could have won this last sprint, but it would just have been a totally different race. Everything stays speculation like that. But consider yourself moral winner.

[flockmastoR]

Hard race for my one legged paveteam. Aim was to bring my best guy in the first group after the last pave part and then sprint and hope for podium. and i am happy about my 7. too

[sylvainmeteo]

What actually happened was somehow predictable, if viewed afterwards, also including my sec tricks, Allagen's siebing, farmer tricks and classic attack (which wasn't bad, but would better have been at 3%), the late attack and Sabato winning the sprint. But there were also many things which could have gone different, especially the attack (more following, Laandrin attacking at the same time) and sprint in the end. And it took me until almost the last km to change Otero's sprint to not help Sabato (Puig was still on the manager's mind), which probably would have ended up with a SM win, who had more helpers for his captain most of the time, neither made tempo nor attacked himself. After the last climb Oude Kwaremont the chance of winning was maybe around 50%, but it turned out well after all.

Really nice race, my goal was to survive, but thanks to this buggy step pavé kms ^^
Well very happy, could have been different if Chad followed Otero, I would have ride with him, and Sabato surely take his wheel and Pavel on Sabato, could have more chances, but... Sabato was strong anyway ^^
I'll probably ride PR in the morning also, that was a pleasure
Will announce my lineup next week

[Robyklebt]

5th for Alighieri.... didn't get the sprint, which was the goal. And then take the lottery, lottery that for place 4 didn't win anyway. Kind of had expected more 60-65 guys at the start with chances, not that many, and Kagram, the strongest one and sure to be there for the sprint, if there is one, with a horrible horrible team.... well, dead or something, all dropped very soon, some was clear, others surprising... so had hoped to get some help from him later on for our chances, but was hopeless, he was basically isolated a long time from the goal... then just riding, at one point got tired of it... yeah, Alighieri on paper had the biggest chances... 15% against a whole bunch with 10%... Olteanu attacks so for a while others can chase... Rest of the race was.. not much happening. NoPik did his best Allagen impersonation, much ado about nothing, in the back some slow chase with half dead riders... Actually too hard on NoPik, he tried, IMO did the sieb on the wrong hill, when he had Hagenaar or something in front, why wait for the Koppenberg? With his strong classic team do it on the non pavé hills? And then he just didn't get any help from others in his active role... which IMO he could and maybe should have gotten... Yes Yes, sieb wrong place, then the Amedeo attack wrong place too, looked not so bad at first... was thinking about going with Todea-Wei myself there for a while.... tired of riding for everybody a bit... but no... he going there.. problem is that Titus is still in tempo, yes he's dead, but even if Amedeo gets 30" it won't help him, even though at first thought it was a good attack. And that shows that the criticism poor Pik is getting is a bit displaced. Mistakes are much more obvious when you do an offensive race.. IMO he tried, and if he had gotten some help we might have had a more exciting race... like this it was a bit boring until the very end. End way to exciting then of course.... Alighieri drops Leibundgut at the Paterberg. I thought Todea was more at risk... then after debating myself put Alighieri on following, too late, Gaurain gone. Actually the right solution would have been one km Alighieri green or blue.... then wait for Markus who was 8" back... Todea who was on following at least in the -2 then would have followed.. Like this, ok, the Gaurains gone, in the back I put all three in... kept Todea in too long, he was more breaking than saving energy for the other at this point... then finally got Kagram first, ABC later to help... too late, 3" missing, that probably with faster cooperation we would have gotten.. but ok, since I didn't win the sprint in the back, ok with me after all. Fucked up the downhill from the Paterberg, otherwise did my routine fairly ok... not convinced with my choice of who to use when, but ok... Hope to be here next year without an Alighieri but with a team to support NoPikouzes attacks! Much more fun. Paris-Roubaix 2011 we were almost perfect with our siebs until well.. sad chapter, let's not talk about that... this here... ah well.. as NoPik said, the design sucked anyway:) Just the way it went... Had my 15%, didn't manage to cash in on it.

[team fl]

King Küng beaten by an awful evening field. Horrible. And I have to ride PR also in the evening. Bähh... Well, at least the next classic, Schelde, will be ridden either in the morning or in the afternoon.

[flockmastoR]

King Küng beaten by an awful evening field. Horrible. And I have to ride PR also in the evening. Bähh... Well, at least the next classic, Schelde, will be ridden either in the morning or in the afternoon.

Join the afternoon for Schelde

[Robyklebt]

Apes get up early!

And will ride Paris Roubaix in the morning. Chances are still there to be able to change to the high class afternoon, but very likely will have to be the morning.

Awesome team of course

1 Alighieri: Parasiting Sabato. Bah... the one race where it's not a good tactic...
2 Gong: Help
3 Haryono: Chase race nr 300
4 Häfeli: Train for 2013
5 Leibundgut: Parasite Sabato too... blah, he's too weak as well for it.
6 Montandon: Cover the downhills, probably nr 3
7 Olteanu: Be a star as usual
8 Wei: Be there, help, and well, be there
9 Yamada: Mmh, hopes to be the nr 3, will need to train.

Right now of course I'm the clear favorite.... only team already inscribed! But somehow doubt it will stay like this... Anyway, not a really good team for PR... Alighieri of course a danger in a sprint, but here he lacks the pavé to be likely to be there.. Carrefour de l'arbre will be the end most likely. Ah well...

[Bear]

I really would like to ride in the morning again with my friendly team. But unfortunately, it looks like 18h, although I have to leave at 21h for work. Maybe the afternoon is better... have to check my schedule...

[Alkworld]

Team Alkworld will be as ready as always for Paris-Roubaix, even after Gallegos trained down just before the most important race of his career
1) Romulo Gallegos - the captain, but he'll parasite Alighieri
2) Eliseo Alberto - tries to improve his result at GP Cerami
3) Eloy Alfaro - trying to win Paris - Roubaix twice
4) Tupac Amaru - going for the surprise win
5) Joaquin Camacho - still searching for a reason to win, but plans to win anyway
6) Joao Gilberto - time for his first win with 35 years
7) Miguel Otero - the boss, always winning
8) Oscar Romero - will stop waiting for his first win at this monument
9) Ernesto Sabato - will score another monument win on Sunday

Thus, at the moment, I can see nine favorites for the win here. Let's see who'll make it.

[team fl]

Team FL rides in the evening again. pff...

x1 Toni Hassler, even angrier at the monument
x2 Niels Hörnö, make all teeth white and shiny for the monument
x3 Hary Hole, drunk at the monument.
x4 Stefan "King" Küng, will win the monument
x5 Wesley Lichtenkiesel, also at the monument
x6 Haruki Murakami, will build a monument
x7 Pit Schlechter, will be schlecht at the monument
x8 Arni Steinsson, solid as a rock at the monument #1
x9 Kari Steinsson, solid as a rock at the monument #2

[sylvainmeteo]

Paris Roubaix, in the morning for me ^^
line up
Chad Hackenbracht, leader
Allan Mc Bernick, co-leader or helper
Roman Bezjak, helper
Zlatko Bozovic, helper
Filip Holosko, helper
Roland OvidiuGerbacea, helper
PerGunnar Tverendahl, helper
Wayne Griffin, helper
Vito Mazcek, helper
cost : 372k
the aim, try to keep Chad in front firstly, after that, we will see...