March 2012

[Woddeltown Team]

[auxilium torino]

Handzame classic and Dwars door drethe only cat. 1, are right?
last years both cat.2

[Robyklebt]

Time for MSR maybe?

It's the same course as in 2009,10 and 11. In 09 we had an iBan version, in 10 an Aux version, in 11 the iBan version again, which one will it be this time? Or a new one?

[auxilium torino]

i try to do it with the new editor, must be better, while the tunnel are included this time

[Robyklebt]

Oh dear, what did I do?

Ah well, let's see what "special feature" we get this time around.

Cipressa 9% in profile from Gazzetta side made up ... to be the man to mt 390th, and if the profile is faithfully copied, must include the 9% since (as in real run) ...

I apologize in advance for the newest Aux version.

Leso, can't we just use an old one instead of going through all kind of weirdness, like the one quoted, again?

[auxilium torino]

i apologize that you are born, a really sad day for all umanity

[auxilium torino]

for 9 march 2012, we need somebody that understand hollandisch, and can draw Dwars door Drenthe , this year have a new track
i try it, but i don't understand nothing, sorry

this is the link

http://www.rondevandrenthe.nl/dwars-door-drenthe-2012

The same for Profronde van Drenthe

To leso, for palmares, last year races was at 15 and 16 april

ronde van Drethe ist hier online:
http://www.rondevandrenthe.nl/profrondevdrenthe

[NoPikouze]

I would like.to ride Msr with including the tunnels !!

[auxilium torino]

0 0 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 -1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 1
-0 0 1 0 1 0 1 1 -1 1 -1 0 -2 2 1 1 1 0 1 2 3 1 1 0 -1 1 4 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 3
6 5 -5 -5 -4 -4 -5 -7 -5 -5 -5 -4 -2 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 4 2 -5 -2 3 4 -1 -6 0 1 -1 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 8 6 6 7 -2 0 -1 0 -1 -6
-7 -5 -8 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
4 -1 -4 -1 3 3 -2 -3 -1 0 0 1 4 7 -5 -4 -3 1 2 -2 -1 0 0 0 0 4 5 4 5 3 2 -7 -7 -8 0
0 0 -1 0 1 0 -1 2 4 4 3 2 -5 -5 -4 0 -1 0

[Robyklebt]

A big tunnel from France to Albania?

Ever funny design are by master Aux.

[iBanesto]

I'm concerned. Cipressa max 5% now, always had a 6% in the last years. Capo Berta max 7% now, always was a max 5% in the last years. This would totally change the race.

[lesossies]

I could live with this new version, but a 6% in the Cipressa could maybe better represent the short 9% hill.
I´ld prefere 546521 for Cipressa instead 454532 now and 645521 last year.
If I look the T4B profiles it could be a 45472 too or is there the tunnel (153m to 221m at km 274)?

Copa Berta 7% I dont know ?
But it really seems that the street is going from 39m to 109m in one km.
I would let it.

But it is more a question of interpetration.

[auxilium torino]

I could live with this new version, but a 6% in the Cipressa could maybe better represent the short 9% hill.
I´ld prefere 546521 for Cipressa instead 454532 now and 645521 last year.
If I look the T4B profiles it could be a 45472 too or is there the tunnel (153m to 221m at km 274)?

Copa Berta 7% I dont know ?
But it really seems that the street is going from 39m to 109m in one km.
I would let it.

But it is more a question of interpetration.

if you want a selective Cipressa 354632 will be better , but i have understand that this years 5 are already selective as past time
Capo Berta uphill can you see in youtube, 7% is right (try it downhill version)

[Robyklebt]

Capo Berta was 6% 2 years ago.

And being concerned is nice, but it's the logical consequence of letting Aux design. Could have told you that there would be strange things before he designed... Oh, I did. Follow reality which is always whatever fantasy he just has in his mind, resp. what tracks4bikers spits out. Plus some help for his own riders of course.

I'm only posting my opinion once here now, waste of time to write more, the designer in question isn't able to understand it anyway, so it's mostly for leso and the rest.

Capo Berta IMO likely there is a 6% in it. Likely no 7%. But measurements there are so unreliable nobody can really say, we really would need somebody riding it once and take some GPS altitude readings... Could be 5 max, 6 max, or even 7 max, nobody can say for sure here I think.

Cipressa, from "reality are there is a 9" to reality is there is nothing more than 5... there was always a 6, if it was wrong correct it, just because something has always been there doesn't mean it's right. The pure raw numbers allow an interpretation that says it's max 5. There is one km at 5.7, a 6, but it's really in 2 different km. So far we adapted there, to simulate the whole thing in one way. This time not. Doesn't simulate it really well, since nobody gets dropped, something that can happen in reality. Ok, some people can still get dropped, but only sprinters and dead flat riders, no fit flat riders... But IMO you can make a case for Cipressa max 5. It's not wrong, it's a different interpretation. Is it good? For traditions sake and respect towards the players, something that Aux clearly doesn't have, I'd left it at 6, instead of changing it shortly before the race.. But Cipressa with no 6 is not definetly wrong.

Poggio: 4 4 3 3, corresponds to the real pure raw numbers I think, the old 5 in their was for simulating it better. 4 nobody siebed. 5 sieb possible. In reality people are dropped at the Poggio. But it never really simulated it at RSF, with the decision happening on the Cipressa, can't really remember anybody ever being dropped at the Poggio, so 4 4 3 3 is ok. But having no more 6 at the Cipressa, IMO a 5 here would have been good, then Cipressa AND Poggio with 5 can get us some selection. Selection that is there in reality. A max 5 Cipressa and a 5 Poggio IMO would have been an interesting try, not that Cipressa-centered anymore, the Cipressa at RSF so far was the decisive moment most of the time, but with fighting etc the Poggio might actually make selection.

Ok, that's basically it from my side here, not even checking for some fantasy hills between the real climbs like he tends to introduce. Recommend not even asking him anything, all you'll get is:

- I'm Italian, I know the roads, it's racism to say something else. Ever anti Italian game!
- It's personal, not about the race!!!!!!!
- It's perfect, I ever follow reality! 7 at Capo Berta there, have to follow reality! Ever!

Talk with leso, or just resign yourself to the logical consequence of Aux designing important races. Or, redesign it yourself, that's what I'm going to do with some other races (Emilia for example) he rapes later on, discussion is useless as he has shown over and over again. He's right, you're wrong.

[lesossies]

Online is my version, The profiles should be OK I made these with openrunner, but my cobbles maybe no .

Is yours better ? what do you mean, if yes I´ll change the race.

[el Galactico]

This Mailand - San Remo of Aux ist just ugly. Sorry, but please please use one of the versions of the last years where the people took much more time to make the climbs closer to reality. This race actually looks like someone took 10 minutes and designed it without thinking about it a second. Sorry Aux!!

[Pirkio]

About tirreno adriatico h24:00

I've talked with roby about the time of the races, he sayd there are no problem if the race being a bit more short.. (stay in front the pc untill the 2,10 A.M. is not good for eyes )

So please leso give to friends at h 24 a bit more time for sleep! cut the races

[olmania]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

You wanted races at midnight, now assume it !
Now you ask for races at midnight but the lenght should be adapted to you, italian people. Because late is good, but too late and too long is not good ?

Sorry, but shut the fuck up and assume your 24h races now !

[Robyklebt]

Next time don't ask me in a PN, ask me here, easier... I read the forum...

Very simple, don't really care that much what you do at 24h. Mr leso said that he has to cut the stages to under 2h anyway so that everything is finished at 2am, day change, so if he has to, he has to, not sure how, 15" tact or something , but if it has to be done, do it.

[Pirkio]

Usualy 90% of the races of RSF are 100 minutes long what is your problem? Don't want other players in this game? Don't be stupid and don't say bullshit. Is not a "MOTORIZZATI" Problem is a game problem! give the chances to all the players to race, and be "human" if you want i can make a tour of 10 races of 4 hours only for you, but if other peolpe have to work the morning and the aftenoon what is the problem to let them race at 24:00?

[NoPikouze]

Next time don't ask me in a PN, ask me here, easier... I read the forum...

Very simple, don't really care that much what you do at 24h. Mr leso said that he has to cut the stages to under 2h anyway so that everything is finished at 2am, day change, so if he has to, he has to, not sure how, 15" tact or something , but if it has to be done, do it.

Yeah cut some kms of stage 4 ? 254km is too long! Best would be to cut that useless mountain in the middle of nowhere.

[Quick]

This Mailand - San Remo of Aux ist just ugly. Sorry, but please please use one of the versions of the last years where the people took much more time to make the climbs closer to reality. This race actually looks like someone took 10 minutes and designed it without thinking about it a second. Sorry Aux!!

[auxilium torino]

11 Mar Kattekoers (Deinze-Ieper) Bel 1.2 2012


ok, 11 already with ruchpen, maybe at 12 or 13

[auxilium torino]

for 9 march 2012, we need somebody that understand hollandisch, and can draw Dwars door Drenthe , this year have a new track
i try it, but i don't understand nothing, sorry

this is the link

http://www.rondevandrenthe.nl/dwars-door-drenthe-2012

The same for Profronde van Drenthe

To leso, for palmares, last year races was at 15 and 16 april

ronde van Drethe ist hier online:
http://www.rondevandrenthe.nl/profrondevdrenthe

I try it , with many pacience and traductor...THIS IS PROFRONDRE, at 10 march...for Palmares , last years was in April

10 Mar Albert Achterhes Ronde van DrentheNed 1.1 2012

[auxilium torino]

17 Mar Classic Loire Atlantique Fra 1.1 2012