July 2011

[Robyklebt]

Races 1.1 /2.1 and above, didn't copy the x.2 and criteriums...

http://www.cycling4freaks.com/radsport/July_2011.pdf

Hope I got the colours right this time.... otherwise just change it...

01-10 Jul Tour of Qinghai Lake Ape designing
02-24 Jul Tour de France Fra WT 2011 OL designing
02 Jul VN Kranja - Memorijal Filipa Majcna / GP Kranjleso
03-10 Jul Int. Österreich-Rundfahrt-Tour of Austria designed / RohrheimRadler
04 Jul U.S. Open of Cycling Usa 1.1 -delete
10 Jul Profronde van Fryslân / Batavus Proracedelete
15 Jul G.P. Nobili Rubinetterie, Coppa Papa' Carlo Ita 1.1
16 Jul G.P. Nobili Rubinetterie Coppa Citta di Stresa Ita 1.1
20-24 Jul Brixia Tour -> http://www.brixiatour.com/tappe.asp
23-27 Jul Tour de Wallonie Gaurain
25 Jul Prueba Villafranca de Ordizia - Clasica de Ordizia (Uno.es) Esp 1.1 2010
30 Jul Clasica Ciclista San Sebastian - San Sebastian Esp WT 2010
30 Jul Coppa Placci Ita 1.1changed in september
31 Jul Circuito de Getxo "Memorial Ricardo Otxoa" same flat race like last year ?
31 Jul La Poly Normande If the same like last year, leso will try it
31 Jul Sparkassen Giro Bochum leso will try it
31 Jul-06 Aug Tour de Pologne
31 Jul Trofeo Matteotti

[gaurain rx]

Wallonie for gaurain!

Stage 1 : Final 7 km : 5 - 7 - 4 - 2 - 0 - -1 - -1



Stage 2 : Final on the Mur Saint Roch... Last km is a 11.



Stage 3 : A real flat stage... Nothing else to say... only 1 or 2 5 during the race!



Stage 4 : A funny one with 4 times cobble. 1,4km long so I did it 2km at the moment..; And both km a 2cobble. Not sure it's the best at the moment. They say that the street will be fixed... Will have to check it myself in real



Stage 5 : Highly uncool to design... Last km is a 5!

[RohrheimRadler]

Ok, as that polish thing in June is not available, I start with:
03-10 Jul Int. Österreich-Rundfahrt-Tour of Austria

[RohrheimRadler]

The Sachsen-Tour will not be contested in 2011, there is an initiative to bring it back 2012.

[Robyklebt]

Qinghai finished.
Probably the worst Qinghai course ever. Yes, the course is exactly as exciting as the profiles.
Classification according to the Toql website.




Sprint in Xining. Flat stage



A really terrifying HC stage. Cordero won't win unless he beats the flat sprinters....
3x 6 and a 2 or so 5 on the way to the sun and moon. They should have added Mars...



middle mountain stage with a dangerous 5 as a hard cat 3 GPM



Another awesome middle mountain stage, there is even a km at 4 in the cat 2 climb!



HC stage, and this one might not end in a sprint 6-4-4-6 the last 4 km of the HC climb, then downhill!



flat, sprint.



Another fantastic HC stage. The cat 3 climb will make the difference with 6-7, then the HC climb with its lone 5 will definelty kill all mountainsausages!



Actually an interesting stage... at least for toql 2011. 240 km, medium mountain, 8 at the cat 3, finish all downhill



Circuit race in what was once the city in the world with the worst air. Mmh, at least I read that many years ago somewhere. flat.

[sylvainmeteo]

Where's the PDF file for the races of this month?

[lesossies]

Where's the PDF file for the races of this month?

1st proposal for July:
http://www.cycling4freaks.com/radsport/July_2011.pdf

[olmania]

TDF = DONE
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1861&p=34293#p34293

2 problems :
- 16th stage, problem with the graph. If leso can solve it, thanks. Filier is et16tdf11
- Some stages I had few kms more or less than the official route. Sometimes I really don't know why ! Anyway, this will not change the race, so I hope it's all right for everybody even if there are +/- 3-5kms of flat in some stages sometimes.

Thanks

[olmania]

Minus tour here, but could be good for youngs teams, with TTT, ITT and 2 different kind of mountain stages. The good effort and organization of the rumanian team to promote their local tour deserve 2 or 3 times to ride it on RSF for teams which are not on the TDF or Austria


A short team time trial to start !

Flat stage here, for sprinters.

HC stage, but the last climb is quite "flat", 80/70 are favo ! even strong 75/80 could win here !

A short ITT here, with last km to the city centre on cobblestones.

Long, very long last climb. To win, or loose this tour ! Not so steep, flat skill will be important !

[Rockstar Inc]

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[auxilium torino]

4 tour at the same time???

2/7-24/7...TdF
29/6-2/7...Solidarnosh (my opinion:5 time is 1 too much, for this tour)
1/7-10/7...Qinghai Lake
4/7-10/7...Austria

6/7-10/7...Sibiu???? for me better put in later or(11/7 to 15/7??); is 2.2, not very important against TdF, Austria and Qinghai, 2 time and cat.1, no more...

[olmania]

4 tour at the same time???

2/7-24/7...TdF
29/6-2/7...Solidarnosh (my opinion:5 time is 1 too much, for this tour)
1/7-10/7...Qinghai Lake
4/7-10/7...Austria

6/7-10/7...Sibiu???? for me better put in later or(11/7 to 15/7??); is 2.2, not very important against TdF, Austria and Qinghai, 2 time and cat.1, no more...

Yeah, put Sibiu later.
But in July there are a lot of new teams, so if you put 2-3 times for each small tour, it's still possible to have "good" groups. The "risk" is that 1 or 2 big teams in each field will win everything against the new teams. But it happens really often in parallel of the mains tours, as GT's.

PS : IMPORTANT : it should be good to put a "WARNING" on the news, that it's not possible to ride Solidarnosc and TDF ! Cause TDF starts on Saturday (Sunday other years) and only 30 days in June. Many people could be confused and fail in TDF because of that ^^

[Robyklebt]

Sibiu?

Put it in at the original date as d5-6 race.

[lesossies]

I see 2 possibilities:
1) Qinghai 15.07.-24.07. like in the plan: http://www.radsport-seite.de/termine-re ... -2011.html
and Sibiu Tour 6.-10.7 like in RL

or
2) Qinghai 2.-10.07 and Sibiu 13.-18.07

The 1st choice seems fine. A big tour parallel to 2 x 10 days tour is not optimal for RSF.

[olmania]

I can draw Tour d'Alsace, do you want it ?

[Ronson]

I see 2 possibilities:
1) Qinghai 15.07.-24.07. like in the plan: http://www.radsport-seite.de/termine-re ... -2011.html
and Sibiu Tour 6.-10.7 like in RL

or
2) Qinghai 1.-10.07 and Sibiu 14.-18.07

The 1st choice seems fine. A big tour parallel to 2 x 10 days tour is not optimal for RSF.

The first is my favorite one.

[Robyklebt]

Mmmh...

Ok Austria already in 4 times 10-15-18-21

next sibiu, the easiest in my opinion. it's an unimportant shit race, to use cavendishspeak, well,actually no, he wouldn't call that a shitrace since he doesn't even know it, it's just really unimportant. pt teams not allowed to start. so... the logical conclusion is make it a d5-6 tour. then your proposal 2 seems ok.
if you open sibiu to everyone proposal 2 is catastrophic, then you just gift the non tour riders another moneytour, instead of 2, qinghai/austria, wallonie/brixia? they can ride 3, sibiu. and by that you would give everybody an incentive not to ride the tour, but go for the fairly lucrative side show. don't do that, don't let anybody from d1-4 start there. has to be d5-6.

qinghai. 2.hc in asia... but no pt teams starting, not surprising, they could but don't. so why not get a realistic starters group by adding an 'unrealistic' limitation. only d3-6. d1-2 either tdf, if they don't want to, ok, austria, but no qinghai available. give it 2 times at the original date, which is the second, on the first there is a criterium in qinghai, not part of the tour, just a criterium, couldn't find data for that one plus even if, don't design criteriums

so my proposal

02 qinghai, d3-6, only 2 editions. 12-23 or something, as you like basically. just one edition ok too, actually 0 as well, the designer wouldn't be angry... but ok, designed, so maybe better use it, 1 or 2 editions is enough.
03. austria as planned
06 sibiu, as the original, as d5-6. 2 times as well. or only one if you are afraid the participation will be bad

or ok, if you really want, put sibiu a few days back so newbies can first ride austria/qinghai, then sibiu. but keep the restrictions, especially sibiu simply has to be d5-6, qinghai as you like, would kind of think it a nice idea to have it d3-6, but if you really want it open, then open ok.

most important, sibiu d5-6, otherwise you just tempt too many teams to pass the expensive tdf and go for easy money in romania.

[lesossies]

OK
proposal 2 taken in account.

Qinghai and Sibiu first for Div5-6 maybe later to 4-6 or 3-6.

[bergwerk cycling]

Can i see somewhere in the net the mountain profile from the brixia tour?

[Team Saller]

I draw Tour de Pologne!

[olmania]

There is a problem with the last stage of Wallonie. Graph seems to be ok, but only 0% after few kms on the km details on the left

[lesossies]

There is a problem with the last stage of Wallonie. Graph seems to be ok, but only 0% after few kms on the km details on the left

I hope gaurain as the original, the etn-file and the database have all the bad profil

[auxilium torino]

in accordance with Lesossies, this will be the time trial for first July 2011

This is the last race for Lorenzo SantiNelli, after the race Lorenzo careers will end permanently.
For obvious reasons, the race in question will take place at 24 hour.
If they are offered at other times, I let decide Lesossies and you.

[Robyklebt]

mmh, 5-6 for qinghai seems kind of a bit tough too, it's still 2.hc.. 3-6 from the start imo would have been ok...

[gaurain rx]

Anyway, should change the cobble on stage 3 too... 3-1 fits better than 2-2!