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Short translation for the non german speakers
Ditschen asks if a IP check of Paneb is possible, he seems to be too good for a guy with only 3 races, multi, or a comeback guy?
Buh says he'll do it. But if the guy had an old team and not using it anymore it's not a problem.
Luna asks: Make a new team every 2 months ok too? And the newcomer of the year award might be obsolete, maybe veterans winning it regularly.
Sherlock Klebt says it's Mangahn (found Paneb in another game, where he knows Mangahn plays)
Buhmann answers to Luna I suppose. Of course not ok (every 2 months) That's why I check. But if after a year no problem. Mangahn not riding as far as I know (as Mangahn)
Ape who at the time hadn't really figured out that part of the answer was to Luna slightly is slightly confused (doesn't happen a lot) and writes that Paneb was Mangahn, for sure already sold everything. But not a problem since he's not riding with another team.
Now what happened.
Mangahn goes off in January of february 2010. Maybe rides some races with a new team after, maybe not, don't know.
Comes back in January with Paneb. As said, by chance Klebt sees a team named paneb at BoC, belorussian, remembers having read something about Paneb here, connects the dots, and MANGAAAAAAAAAAAAHN. Immediately starts welcoming Manghi in the chat.
Mangahn then sells or the riders and renames the team. Why, don't know. Wasn't fun, a possibilty, but he came back a short time later. So unlikely. It's public knowledge he's Mangahn, possible too. He wants a new start, wants to ride without all of his enemies knowing who he is.. ok, why not. And while I'm the most vocal "ennemy" Mangahn has, I'm not the only one for sure. The problem of course is that to get a better reputation changing the name is not enough, change his behaviour would be more effective, as Mangahn or as something else doesn't really matter, as something else probably easier though He wants to retry the game, see if he feels like starting again, but without hurting his real team. He tries, still doesn't feel like it's fun, so waits longer and tries again in a year or so, he hurts his team financially probably, uses up some of the reserves he had built. Unlikely too, since he came back with another new team. Last possibility I see is, he doesn't want to let his oh so important average per race fall down, after all he's in front of Ticos, but the too doesn't explain the next step.
But anyway, until here I see no fairness problem at all.
Next, new team Harry Potter. Shortly after paneb finished. And here according to Buh there is a problem: German quote here:
Luna wrote:Und wenn man sich alle 2 Monate ein neues Team macht ist es auch okay?
It wasn't even 2 months.. it was what, a week? And what for? He wants anonymity? The problem here is that he doesn't really try, not like chicksa did when he became Valle Nevado and was "french", he basically participates in the chat like Mangahn did.. Proof it's not the "Herrenreiter-hunter" Klebt (who actually wasn't actively looking for ManMan) who figured out that Potter is Mangahn, but 2 groups individually.... Was in the ZC of his race, Adler asks, hey, tell me who Potter actually is.. in a way that suggested he knows it, so since Ape had no idea and called ZL who was in the same race, hey, who is this Harry Potter? Mangahn no? I thought it was Mangahn, why is it somebody else? So while he seems to want anonymity, he doesn't really act like he wants it either. Strange. He seems to be indentifiable as Mangahn fairly easily. And again, after the race, now it's public knowledge who he is, he sells all the riders.Buhmann wrote:Natürlich nicht okay. Deswegen prüf ich das ja. Aber wenn der nach nem Jahr Pause wieder einsteigt wäre das natürlich nicht wirklich schlimm.
Mit den Awards könntest du wohl leider recht haben...
A fairness problem? In a way no, he rides with one team, on the other hand kind of yes.
1) While he doesn't manage to stay anonymous, he gets short term anonymity, which helps him in the races. He won Sachsenpavé, as Mangahn that might have been harder because Mangahn is known, Potter is new. A race with Mangahn, even though I don't think he is a top 5 manager (which really hurt him it seems...) I think he is a top 20 one for sure, top 10 probably too, you pay attention to this guy, as Harry Potter, much less. So not sure he would have won it as Mangahn, in a way I see it as a worthless win. Like I think sitter who don't say who they are, are unfair, I think this here is unfair too. Understand if he wants to stay anonymous, but then at least actually try to do it, not just get a new team and a new name.
2) He sold all his riders again. And now? He is still hanging around with Potter, sitting too.
2a) Sitting as Potter while being Mangahn, while many know that Potter is Mangahn, many others don't. And give their team to Mangahn. Many don't bother changing their passwords, of course they should, but in a way I like it if they feel they can trust the other managers. Actually that's the way it should be. But can't due to people like Mangahn. After all once during a race with Klebt, Mangahn and Quick, all of the sudden Quick had **. What happened? Mangahn didn't believe Quicks claim that he didn't have good form, so he went to check himself. Now everybody who gives his team to Potter and doesn't know that, risks the same treatment. Form checking, maybe not during the race but before. Maybe from work (if he works now) no login for Potter there, only from home. Mangahn has this history, it is a danger to give you password to Mangahn, a bigger danger than to give it to a new guy. With the new guy we just don't know what kind of guy he is, with Mangahn we know, he already did that. Of course you can say that Quick-Mangahn have a good relationship and it didn't bother Quick that much, they probably know each others form anyway, bla bla, the fact remains, MM went into an other managers account during a race to check the form (he claimed he was right, Quick was lying then) which shouldn't be done. As POtter he doesn't have this history for everybody, since not everybody knows that he is Manghi.
2b) Sitting while being inactive? Is that really the way it should be? Or is with a second account while riding with another one?
3) He made 2 teams, he sold all riders, doesn't use one anymore probably, logs in with the other, but no riders. Main Team Mangahn, no riders too, occasionally logs in too. Who says he doesn't have a next team already? Which would be 3 teams in less than a months. Stay online and visible as a sitter with Potter, stay anonymous with the active team. It's still not multiaccounting in the tradional sense, but it's clealry dishonest. Again, want anonymity, for a guy with his character difficult, but what now, each time your team is discovered you make a new one?
Not asking for a fine or anything, just asking if others see the problems too.
Basically the whole thing here to me only confirms what I already knew, Manghi is an "armseliges Würmchen". He wants to ride, ride, not my problem, MM in my races, ok, the time when I then changed my time to avoid the tiring tactical nonsense and utter bullshit the guy spews in the racechats is over, so is the time where he could hope to be let in peace in the other chats or the forum, that's the deal he wanted after all. Make a new team, if somebody figures out who you are and then your enemies know it too, deal with it, you made them your enemies. But like this is just stupid. Well actually is typical Mangahn. Absolutely idiotic, dishonest and unfair.
What I ask for though is a thorough IP check by Buhmann. If you find a new active team with riders, while ManMan is sitting as Potter, then yes, then I would ask for a fine, or better the deletion of the new team. Or a fine for the main team, MM, since that's the only thing that really would hurt him. But since that's is just a possibility, no need to aks for that yet. Just the IP check. Asking ManMan himself to please behave and stick to 1 team probably is a waste of time, so I see no point in doing it. On the other hand I think Buhmann should think about forcing ManMan to ride with his main team. Make a new team after a year, no problem. Then make a third one 1 or 2 weeks later? Problem. A third one? (Not saying there is one, but it is certainly possible) fuck it, then it's a problem.
Edith: And while I was writing Mangahns Mannen bought riders. Good. So unlikely he had a third team, But a check still can't hurt, sitting as Potter is still questionable andif 2 new teams in such a short time is ok is still worth a discussion.
