Schartner Bombe wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2026 6:37 pmThat's interesting. Are you writing this massive post just for this crap? Why? Because Elaska is in your brown-nosing group?Robyklebt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2026 5:08 pmThere is a precedent, a race where nobody realized it was a team attack during the race. Difference is that some (including me) actively said that there most likely wasn't a team attack. And the winner wasn't the one doing the team attack.. but there was some influence on the race too then.
IMO the decision then was correct.
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This case is similar in that in both cases the guy doing the team attack simply didn't recognize that it was one. Yes, they should, but sometimes you just don't.
Different in that Gipfel then didn't win.
Different in that nobody told Elaska that it wasn't one, while some in the gipfel race said that they thought it wasn't one. This difference the more important one.
The influence on the race? If there was just one Elaska in that group, he still blocks the chase, he still slows them down, without having seen anything just reading to me the influence seems rather minimal. But of course there's always an influence.
Considering all that, the "full penalty", 50k for team attack and the prize money back seems excessive. Due to the differences between the 2 cases some sort of monetary punishment is probably ok (would have been ok too in the Gipfel case, the attacker HAS to know himself, in his case though the misleading by Donks and co cancels that out a bit, more than 20k would have been excessive then, 0 better though) but both, all full?
Crap by itself might not be insulting, even if IMO the post isn't crap, but very much on topic.
The accusation that I write it "because Elaska is in your brown-nosing group" is both insulting to me (the claim I write something depending my like/dislike for somebody, I have examples where I defended people I deeply dislike (Joy for one))and Elaska, since he's called a brown noser for no reason.
Schartner has tendency to edit, delete his more "risky" posts later on, so don't be surprised if you don't find it anymore in a few hours/days.
