Team Attack -EMAG - Dolisie-Pointe Noire - 8am

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Team Attack -EMAG - Dolisie-Pointe Noire - 8am

Post by flockmastoR » Sat Jan 17, 2026 1:05 pm

Hi,
Prohibited team attacks:
1. Normal Team Attack. Attack (not following) with more than 2 riders of one team at the same km out of the same group. This rule is deactivated for the last 10 km of every race.
2. Combined Team Attack. Attack (not following) with more than 5 riders of one team during 20 km out of the same group, if these riders end up in the same group. This rule is deactivated in the second half of every race.
EMAG did make multiple team attack in todays morning race. It was just a race with 2 teams and Mintsprint was not online at the start.

Clear Rule 1 violation on km 4
Km: 4, Steigung: 0
Kurt Baier (EMAG) attackiert
Björn Zach (EMAG) attackiert
Fritz Doppler (EMAG) attackiert
additionally EMAG attack with all 9 riders within the first 25km all ending up together. So there is a rule 2 violation done as well.
Km: 24, Steigung: -5
Joe Fix (EMAG) attackiert
Goran Goldberger (EMAG) attackiert

Km: 17, Steigung: -2
Manfred Lang (EMAG) attackiert
Anthony Ashcroft (EMAG) attackiert

Km: 15, Steigung: 3
Dean Ulrich (EMAG) attackiert

Km: 12, Steigung: 4
Petro Ludoval (EMAG) attackiert

Km: 4, Steigung: 0
Kurt Baier (EMAG) attackiert
Björn Zach (EMAG) attackiert
Fritz Doppler (EMAG) attackiert
Once Mintsprint was online, EMAG stopped tempo and waited for Mintsprint to catch up, later lost the race without any big action.

The full chat:
Mintsprint(09:53): Hoffe war so ok für dich
Mintsprint(09:53): Danke,
EMAG(09:52): DANKE für den Sprint in Gruppe 2
EMAG(09:51): GW
Mintsprint(09:34): lasse leader zurückfallen
Mintsprint(09:33): offen ab 190 wäre fair für beide
EMAG(09:32): Okay dann versuche ich den 2 Platz im Sprint
Mintsprint(09:30): Nee
EMAG(09:30): Ab km 190 würde ich es für meine Sprinter schneller angehen
EMAG(09:29): GW
EMAG(08:15): Deswegen versuchte ich mir das Geld alleine zu krallen
EMAG(08:15): Warte auf Dich. Dachte ich fahre alleine
EMAG(07:37): Guten Morgen
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Re: Team Attack -EMAG - Dolisie-Pointe Noire - 8am

Post by Hoefs Cycling Team » Sat Jan 17, 2026 2:59 pm

It was solve during the race, so why a topic about it?
(EMAG did not had advantage finally)

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Re: Team Attack -EMAG - Dolisie-Pointe Noire - 8am

Post by Chemnitz Pro Cycling Team » Sat Jan 17, 2026 3:29 pm

Hoefs Cycling Team wrote:
Sat Jan 17, 2026 2:59 pm
It was solve during the race, so why a topic about it?
(EMAG did not had advantage finally)
Well, having it as a topic is correct. The FPC decides at the end

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Re: Team Attack -EMAG - Dolisie-Pointe Noire - 8am

Post by flockmastoR » Sat Jan 17, 2026 3:48 pm

Hoefs Cycling Team wrote:
Sat Jan 17, 2026 2:59 pm
It was solve during the race, so why a topic about it?
(EMAG did not had advantage finally)
It was never mentioned by them that it was a team attack. He waited for him for no obvious reasons. It is an active violation (didn't happen because of hanging).

He said in the chat that he waited for him because he showed up (and made tempo). And otherwise? I think it will not harm him to get reminded that there are rules he accepts by inscription. And that violations of these rules can have consequences.

Fpc will find a good decision. If you think shooting the messager is a good way, go on Hoefs.
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Re: Team Attack -EMAG - Dolisie-Pointe Noire - 8am

Post by Robyklebt » Sun Jan 18, 2026 2:48 am

Explain how this is shooting the messenger.
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Re: Team Attack -EMAG - Dolisie-Pointe Noire - 8am

Post by flockmastoR » Sun Jan 18, 2026 10:40 am

Robyklebt wrote:
Sun Jan 18, 2026 2:48 am
Explain how this is shooting the messenger.
Maybe I put it a bit too dramatically, but I read this many times now questioning the people reporting these cases. And we witnessed that many people have issues understanding the rules while they are not. So he can comment that it didn't have an advantage for emag. Stating that it was resolved is still questionable as I mentioned.

But you can also contribute on the topic if you like.
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