AECT 20h Hansa abusing fpk role against me

[cataracs]

Had no time to post before but replay should still be there. I accidentally end up with 3 riders attacking same km, one of them ride 1km the other attacks again (while trying to fix it) then the one who did tempo waits for peloton, then attacks again, Hansa insists it wasn't fixed and forced me to drop back both riders. should be a triple fine, 1 for being FPK that cant understand the rules. 2.abusing his own rules on me. ..3.repeating this abusive behaviour against me over and over and over again

------- 2026-01-08 -------------
Ansach(21:46): gw
Tukhtahuaev(21:37): With Murodbek a lot of people could have won
Tukhtahuaev(21:37): With my team there is no winning everything for a long time now
Mintsprint(21:34): gw
Carrera Blue Jeans(21:34): gw and good night@all
r TAKA(21:33): from winning everything to winning just one stage?
RSVBenrath(21:32): gw
Tukhtahuaev(21:32): That's a very big weight off my shoulders
Tukhtahuaev(21:32): Thanks
Team Trojer Vellau(21:32): Gw
Hansa(21:32): gw Tukh^^
OLcycle(21:32): gw, incredibly strong Piskun today !
Hansa(21:31): he can try for P2 xD
Tukhtahuaev(21:31): So Piskun doesn't even need to try?
Tukhtahuaev(21:31): This looks really close
Hansa(21:30): and Piskun now will get David in his wheel the rest of the tour
OLcycle(21:29): my yes was to Hansa's sentence
OLcycle(21:29): yes
r TAKA(21:29): Tukh new winner today?
Hansa(21:29): if he survives km 97 he probably hangs on to me till 136
OLcycle(21:28): yes, on the last km of pavé he got sieb. bad luck, probably something about a few energy points
Tukhtahuaev(21:28): Would have needed to use Taiwia who I expected to need to have chances for the stage
OLcycle(21:28): yes, but using them a lot today could have been costly for the rest of the stage race. probably you'd have caught us, but at what energy price
Hansa(21:28): Confidential Era was extremely close to save his GC chances there btw^^
Hansa(21:27): but yeah could have tried
Hansa(21:27): i had still 2 pretty fit flat riders at that point
Tukhtahuaev(21:26): Thought about that for a bit, but decided the gamble is too risky
OLcycle(21:25): when Tukh did the early sieb, I thought he'd try to push and see if others would help him to force you to work hard to come back
Hansa(21:25): but yeah i am fine with that minute but mostly because i put so much time into the classics already^^
Hansa(21:25): in both earlier editions it was a lot less
OLcycle(21:24): yeah, but still just a minute
Hansa(21:20): thats why i tried to put as much time as possible into the classics on day 2^^^
OLcycle(21:18): autotempo in grupetto for info
Hansa(20:43): so you tried to drop back but didnt manage to do it ok, no bad intention then all fine
r TAKA(20:42): yes I wanted to attack with one and let the other wait for peloton but not sure what happened. But you're trying to convince me I had to drop back the guy that attacked twice because he's more fit
Hansa(20:39): taka you even attacked a 2nd time from that team attack instead of react to it and solve it, you are an experienced manager i would have expected to solve that immedietely
r TAKA(20:38): if you can't see what happened with Culi I'd understand you wouldnt see what hapened after the teamattack
OLcycle(20:38): he rode and sprinted today already + followed an attack
Hansa(20:38): ah he was in escape nvm
Hansa(20:37): cant imagine he wasnt fit from yesterday
Hansa(20:37): tired from today? because then thats still 11 sprint^^
OLcycle(20:37): Culi was a bit tired as you can imagine
Hansa(20:36): Elmas beating Culibaba 50m vs 50m?
Carrera Blue Jeans(20:33): Confi, use Mustafa, it is your best flattie
r TAKA(20:27): Team Lifehead tempo in the back?
r TAKA(20:19): ok if you insist
Carrera Blue Jeans(20:17): Lifehead whats the sense of siebing your rider ?
Hansa(20:17): he rode tempo till he was caught in that moment its not ok
Hansa(20:17): he didnt wait
r TAKA(20:17): no it was fine right after my rider waited for the peloton
Hansa(20:16): its fine now anyways with only 1 taka in front
Tukhtahuaev(20:16): Unfortunately I didn't pay enough attention at the start
Hansa(20:16): so you want to tell me there was no advantage of your team attack when you kept the 2 fit guys in front?
r TAKA(20:15): you still should leave the fpk if you handle things like this
Hansa(20:13): plain to the rules there is no resolving the team attack anyways
r TAKA(20:13): but still they both worked, the other one even attacked again by mistake and wasted more energy
r TAKA(20:13): how it's resolved is not written in the rules, just because you're used to do it in a certain way I don't have to do the same.
Hansa(20:11): you cant attack with 3 ride with 1 of them a couple kms and then keep the 2 fresh ones in front
Hansa(20:11): the one you rode tempo with and got you an advantage was caught back (not even by your decision) thats not how usually a team attack is seen as resolved
r TAKA(20:10): you should really leave the fpk
r TAKA(20:10): I attacked with 3 one was back and its over
RSVBenrath(20:08): uff lifehead is wake up
Hansa(20:07): i actually do understand the rules
r TAKA(20:07): why are you still in the fpk if you can't understand the rules?
Hansa(20:07): sure after taka even insults i probably do after the race
OLcycle(20:06): you can open a thread then Hansa
Hansa(20:06): its also not really resolved with osaka back btw
r TAKA(20:05): are you an idiot?
OLcycle(20:05): then he must stop with Osako
OLcycle(20:05): ok
Hansa(20:04): no its not he still has an advantage of sending 3 in front as he didnt drop one but the one he rode with got caught
OLcycle(20:04): as he got caught and attacked again, still not ok ?
RSVBenrath(20:04): jepp
RSVBenrath(20:03): hansa dont let a third taka go
Hansa(20:03): not resolved
Hansa(20:03): its still a taka team attack
RSVBenrath(20:03): lets r4ide in front
OLcycle(20:03): seems that hansa won't allow 3 of one team in front, let's go like that ?
Hansa(20:01): moin
Hansa(20:01): taka you know that not allowed?
OLcycle(19:53): hi !
Ansach(19:52): hi
RSVBenrath(19:47): hey
Tukhtahuaev(19:47): Hello
------------- 2026-01-07 -------------

[Hansa]

one of them ride 1km the other attacks again (while trying to fix it) then the one who did tempo waits for peloton

you can watch the replay yourself, he didnt only ride 1 km and he also didnt wait for peloton

Hansa insists it wasn't fixed and forced me to drop back both riders.

i didnt force you on anything, i cant even do that i dont have the tools to force your riders to drop.

You had an clear advantage of your team attack that wasnt resolved by 1 of your guys being caught at force.
If you didnt agree with that you could have kept your guy in front and i report it,as it was mentioned in the chat i would do, and the other 4 FPC Members would have decided on that. (after you then dropped for me it was resolved so i didnt report it anymore)

[schappy]

Hansa is right here. You didnt fix anything, Hansa was riding to catch your Guy, so you didnt have a big adventage from it, but Hansa has a Diadventage from this rule braking constellation.

The rule is clear:

3) Chained Attacks: Escape (attacking or following) with more than 2 riders of one team at the same km out of the same group. This rule is deactivated:
- if ≥11 riders from ≥4 teams escape, or
- if the original group has ≤14 riders, or
- if there are ≤20 km left in the race, or
- if the road incline is ≥4%.

A little comment to that, maybe you have to read the rules first and then ask for be part of the FPC.

[Berlin Marks]

I didn’t know that Schappy is in the fpc.

[schappy]

Its an open Forum and everybody can say his thoughts, yours now was really helpful in this case

[cataracs]

one of them ride 1km the other attacks again (while trying to fix it) then the one who did tempo waits for peloton

you can watch the replay yourself, he didnt only ride 1 km and he also didnt wait for peloton

Hansa insists it wasn't fixed and forced me to drop back both riders.

i didnt force you on anything, i cant even do that i dont have the tools to force your riders to drop.

You had an clear advantage of your team attack that wasnt resolved by 1 of your guys being caught at force.
If you didnt agree with that you could have kept your guy in front and i report it,as it was mentioned in the chat i would do, and the other 4 FPC Members would have decided on that. (after you then dropped for me it was resolved so i didnt report it anymore)

My 1st rider stopped tempo and waited for the peloton but you still whined non stop and forced me (by chasing hard and whining still) to drop 3 riders back. the first rider, the second rider, then the first rider (who waited for peloton then attack again).

Hansa(20:16): so you want to tell me there was no advantage of your team attack when you kept the 2 fit guys in front?

this means the getting rid of the third rider was done, but your new problem was the fitness? the rider that was back in peloton had 1 attack 2km of tempo, the rider that stayed in front had two attacks and 0km of tempo. Idk what's more fit to you but that doesn't mean you have to force your own rules on me.

[Hansa]

Go and watch the replay, none of your riders stopped and waited for the peloton, your rode some kms and then were caught by the peloton without any waiting of you. You had the time to attack a 2nd time from that team attack but you didnt manage to wait 1 guy. And espacially that you moved again from that team attack without first waiting one of your guys for the peloton gives you an unfair advantage in that position.

[flockmastoR]

For those who wonder, it was stage 5. Would help a lot if you also add this tiny information.

I am no FPC member. here is just my thoughts.

Taka continues to ride with the guy he attacked with while having the other attacker and the follower in front. Hansa caught him within 3km of tempo red while he Taka was doing green tempo.

While Taka didn't resolve it, 90 seconds was the time span of all this. So from my perspective short enough to neglect the none action, he didnt even speed up to catch on the front guys. He should have just stopped tempo. That would be the way to resolve it, but I don't see how he should have profited from that 3 km of green tempo?! That would need some explanation from Hansa. We had cases with chained team attacks without fines because of the short reaction period.

We had cases of a resolved team attack after 7 km, Case 600, that was not punished to my knowledge. So expecting to resolve it in 90s before you caught him back is very demanding.

So imo its a bit an overreaction of Hansa but far from "abusing fpk role", he just said he will report it and that it is not resolved in his opinion. Taka could continue staying in front and let the FPC decide (as I said, I doubt it should end up in a fine).

[Tukhtahuaev]

FPC is investigating the case

[cataracs]

Go and watch the replay, none of your riders stopped and waited for the peloton, your rode some kms and then were caught by the peloton without any waiting of you. You had the time to attack a 2nd time from that team attack but you didnt manage to wait 1 guy. And espacially that you moved again from that team attack without first waiting one of your guys for the peloton gives you an unfair advantage in that position.

Stop lying, you were there and saw Ren wait for the peloton. Replay doesn't show it but he did stop tempo and you know it.
km1 the attack happened.
km2 I didn't have enough time to decide how to solve it so I attacked again to get rid of the OL puller for his sprinter, and stayed in tempo with Ren.
km3 I stayed in tempo with Ren to catch the group and put Ladislaus on waiting for leader in peloton but somehow it didn't work, was probably slow in changing the rider he was helping.
km4 since Ladislaus was still infront I stopped with Ren to wait for peloton.
km5 Ren was back, you decided to stop, some other teams attacked.
km6 Ren attacks again, you start bitching about my team attack again...

[Hansa]

You didnt wait, you were caught by the peloton.

km2 I didn't have enough time to decide how to solve it so I attacked again to get rid of the OL puller for his sprinter, and stayed in tempo with Ren.

So youre used your advantage of having 3 riders in front to try to attack ols guy, thats the definition of having an advantage of the team attack.

You should solve the teamattack by dropping 1 guy before you take further actions in such an escape, thats just clearly using the team attack to an advantage.

[Hoefs Cycling Team]

It was a team attack, which ended quickly.
Not worthy of a topic (olso not: the reaction in the racechat): r TAKA has its share of attention again

[cataracs]

You didnt wait, you were caught by the peloton.

I had 2 secs adventage when stopped, early in the km no sectric . You were online and doing actions you clearly saw it but you're lying. Not the first time you tell lies to prove me wrong. That's the actual case.
If you don't li'e me it's ok. But using your power against me because you don't like me is not OK. It's not acceptable that someone like you judges my Fairplay cases.

[schappy]

Hansa didnt make a Topic of this, he didnt report this, he dont judge in this case too, so how he use his secret power?

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I see a possible infringement against the first on third bullet point in this case. Do you investigate this in the current case or should I create a new case for it as the initial accusation was something different?

[schappy]

He said it was a Team attack, and it was a Team attack, where did he say something wrong in the Chat?

[Hansa]

one of them ride 1km the other attacks again (while trying to fix it)

here you said you only rode 1 km , which can be proven in the replay that it was a lie as you didnt.

Now you said you rode more than 1 km and then waited (this cant be proven in the replay) but you didnt wait, the Peloton caught you with riding red Tempo behind you.

1km the other attacks again (while trying to fix it

here you said you attacked again while trying to fix your team attack,

thats the moment you have an advantage of the team attack as in that moment you had 3 riders in front and did use them.

the correct way is first fix the team attack and then do another attack, not use your team attack advantage for further advatages and fix it later.

You later dropped a 2nd guy in this moment for me then it was fixed, thats why i didnt proceed to report it anymore.

I didnt use any of my FPC Power in the whole case, i didnt wrote as an FPC, i wrote as your opponent in the race who was disadvantaged by your actions. thats why i also said i will report it after the race to the forum (as explained before i didnt as you fix it later)

i also didnt force you to drop a rider as you mention here, as FPC member i dont even have the power to do this you did this action on your own to avoid being reported.

If you think i was in the wrong and you didnt have an advantage of the team attack you could have just let me report it and proceed with your attack as you would have been sure you would win your case then.

[Hansa]

I see a possible infringement against the first on third bullet point in this case. Do you investigate this in the current case or should I create a new case for it as the initial accusation was something different?

if its another case, it should get their own thread.

[cataracs]

one of them ride 1km the other attacks again (while trying to fix it)

here you said you only rode 1 km , which can be proven in the replay that it was a lie as you didnt.

Now you said you rode more than 1 km and then waited (this cant be proven in the replay) but you didnt wait, the Peloton caught you with riding red Tempo behind you.

1km the other attacks again (while trying to fix it

here you said you attacked again while trying to fix your team attack,

thats the moment you have an advantage of the team attack as in that moment you had 3 riders in front and did use them.

the correct way is first fix the team attack and then do another attack, not use your team attack advantage for further advatages and fix it later.

You later dropped a 2nd guy in this moment for me then it was fixed, thats why i didnt proceed to report it anymore.

I didnt use any of my FPC Power in the whole case, i didnt wrote as an FPC, i wrote as your opponent in the race who was disadvantaged by your actions. thats why i also said i will report it after the race to the forum (as explained before i didnt as you fix it later)

i also didnt force you to drop a rider as you mention here, as FPC member i dont even have the power to do this you did this action on your own to avoid being reported.

If you think i was in the wrong and you didnt have an advantage of the team attack you could have just let me report it and proceed with your attack as you would have been sure you would win your case then.

Telling me something as a FPK member and telling me the same thing not as a FPK member is completely different