Derogatory by stevens

[Quick]

r TAKA(19:43): telling schappy gw should be fineable xD
Atletico Lula(19:42): Gw
OMG Berlin(19:42): gw
stevens(19:41): Gw schappy wp
Ansach(19:41): GW
Radunion(19:41): gw
SweetLemmon(19:37): gw
r QUICK(19:37): Gw in front
stevens(19:35): Really sad
r TAKA(19:35): sad stroy
r QUICK(19:34): I actually wanted to escape but missed the first kms. Next time!
r TAKA(19:33): there's a diffirence between not having a chance and having a little chance
Radunion(19:33): thanks for the coop in front
r QUICK(19:33): Not having a chance is indeed a great reason
r TAKA(19:31): and that's a great excuse to let the group go through
r QUICK(19:31): See the trouble I have with a fit Gazo. If you don't let me back for free, I have 0 chance
Radunion(19:30): we had the advantage in front to go through, I pity we threw it away
r QUICK(19:28): You are all gast to talk loud and big but use the same tactics all the time either
stevens(19:27): Are you traumatised by OL?
r QUICK(19:26): Get used to it. Must have learned it from.you and OL
r TAKA(19:26): But I don't think he'd catch us if you used Wolfgang, not sure wtf you did there...
stevens(19:25): I think taka is right today you played like a rat
r TAKA(19:22): Only can remember how I destroyed Ganna in a sprint
r TAKA(19:21): can't remember any defeat against you
r QUICK(19:20): Does that wording trigger memories of defeat?
r TAKA(19:19): "no way" that's exactly what hansa would say
r QUICK(19:18): I saw no way of coming back and blocking
r TAKA(19:16): you don't even get any disadventage when riding earlier, you're just a big sucking noob like the rest xD
r QUICK(19:14): Lol
r TAKA(19:08): quick's trio almost unbeatable but 0 tempo lol big sucker
Radunion(19:03): I think the group had a good chance to get through at one point, we gave up way to much time with the pullers riding green
r TAKA(19:02): missed the 5 aswell xDµ
r TAKA(19:01): others won't matter if we're not catching them
r TAKA(19:01): I missed a km and now they're hard to catch
stevens(19:00): I think we're doing far too much while some people are touching themselves
Ansach(18:57): for me
Ansach(18:57): ok
r TAKA(18:57): maybe Kim and Liu now?
Radunion(18:56): red in front?
r TAKA(18:54): Funny that you think Ansach is a bigger sucker than you
Radunion(18:47): I used the riders I am ready to use today
OMG Berlin(18:46): ?6sec
Radunion(18:44): if somebody is interested in the 3rd group, I stop soon
Wolfpack Cycling Team(18:42): Go fresh?
Radunion(18:41): some time ago, not sure with this cold weather but we should be in the red together region by now
Wolfpack Cycling Team(18:39): *when
Ansach(18:39): 85 or 94 maybe
Wolfpack Cycling Team(18:38): Where fresh riders?
Radunion(18:34): any plans in front?
Radunion(18:08): if I am nice I call the tactics interesting
Wolfpack Cycling Team(18:07): Sorry for spaming
Roll Hoernchen(18:06): Man, man, man.....Ich hab nur wegen eines winzigen Zweifels reingeschaut, dass ich vielleicht doch nicht 20 Uhr angeklickt hatte.
Wolfpack Cycling Team(18:06): Wait for ansach...
Wolfpack Cycling Team(18:06): Wait for ansach
Wolfpack Cycling Team(18:06): Wait for ansach
Roll Hoernchen(18:05): Hi
OMG Berlin(18:04): Salve
L RSV(18:04): Hi
Ansach(17:58): hi
Radunion(17:57): hi

Is it allowed to call other managers repeatable "sucker" and "noob"?

Riding like a rat is certainly no compliment.
The opposite, I think it's worse than "noob" or "you're shit", which is usually fined iirc.

[Team stevens]

You played like a rat, that's the scavenging side of the animal.
I didn't say "you're a rat", I said TODAY you've "played like a rat".
A rat waits and then picks up the crumbs.

And on top of that, it's basic French cycling vocabulary :

https://www.lepape-info.com/actualite/l ... u-peloton/

Rattoner : ( I have translated)
is a rider who, in a breakaway, doesn't take part in the collective effort, stays tucked away in the wheels and only emerges to snatch victory under the noses of his breakaway companions


If saying to him "today you played like a rat" is worse than "you're a shit". I don't think I'm the problem…

I have nothing more to add… if a fine can boost her self-esteem, which I've lowered with this impersonal comparison, I'll give it wholeheartedly.

[flockmastoR]

You played like a rat, that's the scavenging side of the animal.
I didn't say "you're a rat", I said TODAY you've "played like a rat".
A rat waits and then picks up the crumbs.

And on top of that, it's basic French cycling vocabulary :

https://www.lepape-info.com/actualite/l ... u-peloton/

Rattoner : ( I have translated)
is a rider who, in a breakaway, doesn't take part in the collective effort, stays tucked away in the wheels and only emerges to snatch victory under the noses of his breakaway companions


If saying to him "today you played like a rat" is worse than "you're a shit". I don't think I'm the problem…

I have nothing more to add… if a fine can boost her self-esteem, which I've lowered with this impersonal comparison, I'll give it wholeheartedly.

Comparing humans with animals has quite a bad historic taste in German speaking countries. Maybe take that into account and think about an apology again.

[Quick]

Here's the race situation:

I have 64 mountain 72 sprint. 74-80, 66-86, and 64-79-78 helpers. The profile ends with an 8-6 combo and then some uphill/downhill with a bit of flat sprinkled in. Ends in 5, 2 downhill km, 0, 1, 1 if iirc.
Maybe around 15km after the 8-6.

There is no other team I can expect coop from after the sieb and a lot of teams have 2 classics. Sweet lemmon the only one with 3. Notable classics are an 78-82 and 73-83-78

I'm 100% getting siebed. Is a 64-79 enough to gain anything back or will I have to use my 86 flat rider before the 5? There was a 2-4-3 combo before the last 5 as well. So will I at least be able to bring my 74-80 fresh to the 5? Can coming back and block work in any scenario? And how likely is it?

Well, I honestly thought, there was near 0 chance at anything with my "classic" sprinter

Here's how it played out:

I get siebed at the 8. The 74-80 doesn't even drop to my sprinter because I don't believe in it. He still doesn't even end up in the best classic group with even some 72s in it. After the 6 they have ~18 seconds or so. Taka rides maybe a km or 2. Lula maybe joins one km or two idk. Anyway Lula is alone in tempo and attacks with his 78-82 and I think 73-79-65. Nobidy follows and his riders have no downhill, so shouldn't be dangerous. I got back without using anything except the 64-79. That's perfect for me. Way better than I could ever have expected but it's because YOU made mistakes. And still without him having downhill and a red attack, I had to use my 74-80 at the 4-3. To block attacks and because Lula wasn't an automatic catch.

Still my 66-86 fit, so couldn't have asked for more. And in the end it still wasn't enough to block and catch Schappy.

I feel 100% correct to not ride for my "chances" because other teams had much better ones and either chose to attack or also do nothing. Not even a fuck up by all the classic teams helped me and that without making a mistake myself. Also I'm also sure you wouldn't have made tempo in my situation. I don't think anyone who can look at profiles and fields and do some thinking would have tbh.

Yet after all that you still choose to compare my riding to those of a rat. And only mine.

This whole race summary was because we so often have hypothetical scenarios where you can never know how things really play out. But here everything played out perfectly for me. I couldn't have asked for anything better and still lost. You insult/provoke/call me a rattoner and still don't see the need to apologise.

I can live with the excuse of it being in your vocabulary. But holy shit is it annoying being "insulted" for just playing the game.

[Team stevens]

You played like a rat, that's the scavenging side of the animal.
I didn't say "you're a rat", I said TODAY you've "played like a rat".
A rat waits and then picks up the crumbs.

And on top of that, it's basic French cycling vocabulary :

https://www.lepape-info.com/actualite/l ... u-peloton/

Rattoner : ( I have translated)
is a rider who, in a breakaway, doesn't take part in the collective effort, stays tucked away in the wheels and only emerges to snatch victory under the noses of his breakaway companions


If saying to him "today you played like a rat" is worse than "you're a shit". I don't think I'm the problem…

I have nothing more to add… if a fine can boost her self-esteem, which I've lowered with this impersonal comparison, I'll give it wholeheartedly.

Comparing humans with animals has quite a bad historic taste in German speaking countries. Maybe take that into account and think about an apology again.

If you look closely at the way the sentence is phrased, you can see that I'm not attacking the human behind the computer, but the player's behaviour in the game. "Today you've played like a rat". If you take my definition of the word ‘ratoner’ posted above, it's clearly transposable to the game.
if the difference in culture leads to a misunderstanding of this type of sentence, I didn't do it intentionally.

but then I don't understand his answer about OL. If he thinks it's a crazy insult and he's not playing the game to be insulted, why does he bounce back and say ‘Get used to it. Must have learned it from.you and OL’
That's why I find it hard to believe that he was actually offended.

[Quick]

My man. I write like an 12 000 word Essay and you don't believe I'm offended?

[Pokemon Club]

Riding like a rat is certainly no compliment.
The opposite, I think it's worse than "noob" or "you're shit", which is usually fined iirc.

I understand that in some countries some words can have a bad perception.
But in France currently, mostly in the young communities, the rat is use on comic / ironic way to design someone with plans to do or pay less to have something nice.
Not a compliment but not a insult too. It is very very very light for me compare to a shit.

After if Quick felt offense please don't call him again a rat.

[Elaska]

Offer by canal +

Rat+

[Hansa]

FPC is investigating the case!

[Hansa]

The FPC decided not to give a fine to Stevens. But we expect Stavens to consider r quicks critique regarding his comments towards him.