January 2025

[Gipfelstuermer]

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January 2025

Races to be designed:
Tour Down Under
Classica Camp de Morvedre
Clàssica Comunitat Valenciana 1969 - Gran Premi València

Races to be checked:
Villawood Men's Classic
Gran Premio Castellón - Ruta de la Cerámica
Trofeo Calvià
Trofeo Felanitx-Ses Salines
Trofeo Serra Tramuntana


Legend
BLUE = Designer found
GREEN = DONE

[ECS Cycling]

I can do the tour down under.

[Radunion]

I start with comparing the in-game calendar with the UCI calendar. I hope to keep this up in the future as well.

stage races
1/21/2025 - 1/26/2025 Santos Tour Down Under, 2.UWT - in calendar
1/28/2025 - 2/1/2025 AlUla Tour, KSA, 2.1 - should be ridden as there is no tour overlapping it and some strong riders and teams will be there

one-day races
1/25/2025 1/25/2025 Gran Premio Castellón - Ruta de la Cerámica ESP 1.1 - in calendar
1/26/2025 1/26/2025 Clàssica Comunitat Valenciana 1969 - Gran Premi València ESP 1.1 - in calendar
1/29/2025 1/29/2025 Trofeo Calvià ESP 1.1 - in calendar
1/30/2025 1/30/2025 Surf Coast Classic - Men AUS 1.1 - not in the calendar, could be ridden on 28. instead of the fantasy race.
1/30/2025 1/30/2025 Trofeo Felanitx-Ses Salines ESP 1.1 - in calendar
1/31/2025 1/31/2025 Trofeo Serra Tramuntana ESP 1.1 - in calendar

In summary, I see no reason not to ride ALUla, as it ends before the next stage races begin in February. The profile looks nice, and decent participation is expected in real life. Even if I had not checked the profile yet, the race in Australia would be preferable to a fantasy race.

[Gipfelstuermer]

In summary, I see no reason not to ride ALUla[...]

To name a few, reasons could be:
- It is only cat 2.1
- There are cat 1.1 one day races in parallel
- It is not only about category but also about participants (which WT teams have signed up?)
- The timing isn't perfect between TDU and the many tours we will likely have starting early Feb (whereas in other months UCI calendar is so empty we even add cat 0.0 stage races!)
- Someone will need to design it and it won't be the calendar manager
- It has never been ridden before in c4f, I think, for lack of popularity
- We have 3 other tours in the month already

Would any of those reasons be valid for you?

Having said that, if many people want to ride it, it's not impossible.

[lennylenny]

In summary, I see no reason not to ride ALUla[...]

To name a few, reasons could be:

- It is not only about category but also about participants (which WT teams have signed up?)
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Teams from this year's results: Bora, UAE, Jayco Alula, Cofidis, Movistar, Euskatel, Total Energies, Bahrain Victorious, Tudor, Uno X, Astana, Quickstep, DSM

[Robyklebt]

-15th wrong fantasy race. Should be Itaburito
-Castellon+Valencia cat 2 and 8 riders better.
-That surf thing IF ridden certainly not on the wrong date. 30.01. then would have 2 one day races. No problem 02.02. has 3 of them, there makes sense to move one, but with 2 the logical thing is just to do 2 editions each. Or 3 each.
- Do we really need stuff like Classica Camp de Morvedre, x.2, in the calendar? Or preview? Isn't that a bit of designer-talent waste to have people spend time with stuff like this?
-Saudi race

- Someone will need to design it and it won't be the calendar manager

That argument has my full support

- The timing isn't perfect between TDU and the many tours we will likely have starting early Feb (whereas in other months UCI calendar is so empty we even add cat 0.0 stage races!)

I hope we don't add cat 0.0 anymore in season. The alpha gang will oppose every single attempt!

- It has never been ridden before in c4f, I think, for lack of popularity

Better leave the thinking to others. It's never been ridden because usually it was parallel to Bessèges, or other stuff (I think).

If designed it fulfills all the criteria to be ridden, was surprised it wasn't in the preview actually.

[Radunion]

In summary, I see no reason not to ride ALUla[...]

To name a few, reasons could be:
- It is only cat 2.1
- There are cat 1.1 one day races in parallel
- It is not only about category but also about participants (which WT teams have signed up?)
- The timing isn't perfect between TDU and the many tours we will likely have starting early Feb (whereas in other months UCI calendar is so empty we even add cat 0.0 stage races!)
- Someone will need to design it and it won't be the calendar manager
- It has never been ridden before in c4f, I think, for lack of popularity
- We have 3 other tours in the month already

Would any of those reasons be valid for you?

Having said that, if many people want to ride it, it's not impossible.

Maybe this cannot be handled in a short post. But as this forum is no stranger to long an rumbling post I can give it a go myself. Feel free to stop reading it in the middle when it is too tiresome.

(1) We do not treat .1 and .Pro races very different here for good reason. Probably some here know the UCI system better then me, still a short reminder about the participation criteria.

.Pro

UCI WorldTeams (max 70%)
UCI ProTeams
UCI Continental teams (of the country the race is in)
National teams (of the country of the organizer)
UCI foreign continental teams (max. 2)

.1

UCI WorldTeams (max 50%)
UCI ProTeams
UCI continental teams
National teams

Apart from the obvious reason if a race attracts WorldTeams and a bit of prestige the higher category brings there is little benifits. As the difference between the categories is usually not a factor in calendar planning I do not see why it should be here.

(2) I do not see a conflict between one-day races and tours of the same category. Just let the managers decide.

(3) Trust me, I do at least minimal research before I suggest something here. At times the reasons are not good and others disagree with them, but they are always there. Thanks to Lenny for pointing last year's teams out.

(4) Actually the timing is perfect as there is no overlapping tour. There are always many overlapping tours and races in early spring and the in-game-callander should represent this. In February we will certainly need to prioritize one race over another or offer just 2 or even 1 time per tour.

(5) Well there could be somebody who is willing to design it. I have not done real races yet but I do think I could help out or even feel compelled to help out if my suggestions get approved. What I will not do is design races before a decision is made about riding them (there is no information yet anyway). This was done successfully last summer and was discouraging me from offering my help in discussions and designing.

(6) We never have done it is the worst reason for anything. Maybe it overlapped with other tours in the past or just nobody cared about it.

(7) Yes we have a couple of tours this month already but we will certainly have more tours in February and in fact in most months (maybe except Grand Tour month where we cut tours to avoid low participation.

All in all, I will do the calendar comparison feature not to annoy somebody but to further discussion. Too often it is just a this is the calendar and then somebody tries to get a race in because it looks nice for the team or the race is in their home country, a country they like, or similar reasons. just saying this is the UCI calender and this is the plan and we should have a reason why we drop races not the other way round. Honestly, I hate the tour I suggested in real life as it is sportwashing and marketing for a totalitarian country in the best case.

[ECS Cycling]

Tour Down Under Profiles are done.








Some comments:
tour down under:
what cat is the race?
Website says 7 riders/team- should it be more?
Final stage has some KOM's but I couldn't tell what category or if they're needed, since the race is completely flat

Villawood Men's Classic:
would design but don't know how to treat criteriums with time limits.

Alula Tour:
I would ride if it was designed, and could help design as well

[Hansa]

Some comments:
tour down under:
what cat is the race?
Website says 7 riders/team- should it be more?
Final stage has some KOM's but I couldn't tell what category or if they're needed, since the race is completely flat

should be 8 riders then because we ride real riders + 1 mostly but gip should set that correctly when uploading anyways
according to the tdu pdf i found on ther site its cat 3 KOM on the last stage on km 38
and 72

[ECS Cycling]

Some comments:
tour down under:
what cat is the race?
Website says 7 riders/team- should it be more?
Final stage has some KOM's but I couldn't tell what category or if they're needed, since the race is completely flat

should be 8 riders then because we ride real riders + 1 mostly but gip should set that correctly when uploading anyways
according to the tdu pdf i found on ther site its cat 3 KOM on the last stage on km 38
and 72

Thanks, will implement now

[olmania]

Thanks for the fast job at down under !

Did you adjust manually the % of the climbs (and circuits) when it was the same climb done several times ?
If the 1st cat mountain of stages 2, 3 & 5 are the same one that the riders do several times, they look a bit different on the graph.
It's not compulsory, but I think most designer who do official profiles try to make the climbs similar when possible/required.

[ECS Cycling]

Should be fixed now