December 2024

[Gipfelstuermer]

Final PDF
December 2024

Races to be designed:
Pave de Noel >>> Tuk
Christmas Tour >>> OL

Races to be checked:


Legend
BLUE = Designer found
GREEN = DONE

[Gipfelstuermer]

Comments:

- Designers Wanted! Pave de Noel and Christmas Tour - who wants to design them?
- Dec Tour: All candidates have 14 days, so dates are fixed. Times subject to the preference of the winner and depending on the discussion here.
- Sahel: Couldn't find a confirmed date. UCI calendar now says January 2025, so likely we are not riding it at all.
- Fantasy Tours: Forgot to ask AAD ahead of the Preview. Now hoping for his wisdom for the Final PDF.
- Offseason Classics: I think the dates are correct. Times are only suggestions by me. They can always be changed by AAD.
- Cyclocross: This year, 30-sec-tact all the way. Down to 2 riders per team.
- General on Times/Editions: I am not 100% aware how numbers develop currently, but it all looks OK despite offseason, so let me know if I put too much / too little. Also, I suggest some unusual times across December because lots of people are on holiday, which kind of randomly changes their schedules. Feedback welcome anyway.

[olmania]

I'd be happy to design the christmas tour this year ! any specific requirement about it (according to other fantasy tours proposed in December) ?

I might have time in the 4-5 next days to do it

[Gipfelstuermer]

any specific requirement about it (according to other fantasy tours proposed in December) ?

- 4 days
- balanced tour (Stages & GC for a variety of rider types)
- some creative title, region and route which has something to do with Christmas^^ (we had Route of the three wise men, tour of the Christmas tree, etc.)

[Bugatti]

Is it possible to put the fantasy tours from monday till friday? A lot of teams don't have the time at the weekend.

And I would like more the Dec tour at 9h or 14h. Don't know at the moment if I will be at the morning or afternoon.

[olmania]

any specific requirement about it (according to other fantasy tours proposed in December) ?

- 4 days
- balanced tour (Stages & GC for a variety of rider types)
- some creative title, region and route which has something to do with Christmas^^ (we had Route of the three wise men, tour of the Christmas tree, etc.)

So, here's a proposition :

Mithragan Tour :

Mithragan is a very old celebration of Mithra, a divinity originally from the indo-iranian culture. This divinity was later celebrated in plenty of regions around the actual Iran; celebrated and integrated in different cults and religions.
It also started to be celebrated in the roman times where christianity was developping later on. In the 1st and 2nd century, Mithra's cult became very important in roman areas and later merged with romanchristian habits and celebrations. Most historians working on the topic agree that the original "Mithragan" celebration near winter solstice is (one of) the ancestor of the later christian celebration of christmas !
That was to make it short, you can read much more about it online

That brings us to south west of Iran. Where many archeologic discoveries were made about Mithra from the ancient times.
So this christmas tour takes place in the origin region of the cult of Mithra, which later became one of the inspiration/source for the christmas celebration that evolved during centuries. Acutally most of the towns/cities where the stages start are where majot archeologic discoveries were made.
I hope that makes a little sense even with a very short explanation like that ! and more importantly I hope you'll like the design :


First stage should be an easy one for sprinters, a chance to win a stage and get the first leader's jersey ! There's a hill with sieb, but quite far from the line.


Stage 2 is hillsprinter friendly. Last climb is 6/6. A come back from pure sprinter might be possible, but look difficult.


Stage 3 is categorised as mountain, even if the difficulties are only in the very end. The main KOM is very steep (13%) and the road after that is mainly hilly. Climbers definitely have their chance here. But will they find a way to coop efficiently ? And more importantly, will they have enough reg to start the last stage fit ?


Stage 4 is a probably impossible to control fully and easily. Up and down all way long. Key stage for the mountain jersey, maybe for the GC and/or even the green/white jersey. Not to forget team classification ! The biggest climbs is early in the stage, but then, there are plenty of sieb kms all way long. The very last categorised climb is irregular, but with a few steep kms (9-10%). The last little climb (uncategorized) is 5/4/5; quite close from the finish line.
Could be for a climber, a strong classic; or even a less strong classic that did a successful attack from far !

My only worry would be about the weather in the mountains, especially for the last stage. Apart that, the weather could be fresh, but should not be super bad/cold.
and also that there are so many mountain points in the last stage, but that's only a worry, the fight could still be fun !

[Robyklebt]

18.12. is wrong in the PDF

Also

Races to be designed:
Pave de Noel

is either wrong or weird. Standard practice was that the calendar guy just chose a pavé race for this spot. If that's still the case, this is wrong. If that's not the case, it's just weird.

[Tukhtahuaev]

If I ride it, 14h prefered for Dec Tour, but morning is also possible.

Not sure if it is a good idea to offer a parallel tour with 4 timeslots to Dec Tour. I think it would be better to reduce it to 2 or 3 slots only

[flockmastoR]

18.12. is wrong in the PDF

Also

Races to be designed:
Pave de Noel

is either wrong or weird. Standard practice was that the calendar guy just chose a pavé race for this spot. If that's still the case, this is wrong. If that's not the case, it's just weird.

Pave de Noel 2024 will be Volta a Baturite

[ECS Cycling]

Do Cyclocross races need to be designed?

[Gipfelstuermer]

Preview PDF updated as Dec Tour has been decided and gets a 20h slot as per the wish of the designer.

One Fantasy Tour has been fixed by AAD (Tour du Sahel fantasy edition). The other one tba/tbd?

Final PDF then likely on 26th instead of 25th.

[Schartner Bombe]

could we have the fantasy-tours in dec from monday to friday? or maybe one of these 5 day tours?

[drei.zehn]

could we have the fantasy-tours in dec from monday to friday? or maybe one of these 5 day tours?

That would be perfect. Not just this month

[Alkworld]

If all goes well, I'm planning to do the migration to the new C4F version (aka the DB redesign) on Dec 16, as it can only be done while no tour is ongoing and shouldn't be done directly before a tour, as all previously made inscriptions will be gone and have to be done in the new version again.

@calendar planners: Please don't plan any early race on that day, maybe 11am as first race, so I have enough time to migrate everything and players have some time left for signing up.

[flockmastoR]

Preview PDF updated as Dec Tour has been decided and gets a 20h slot as per the wish of the designer.

One Fantasy Tour has been fixed by AAD (Tour du Sahel fantasy edition). The other one tba/tbd?

Final PDF then likely on 26th instead of 25th.

Oh, there was some confusion in the message I sent you (I mixed up some stuff)

1) Tour de Sahel was scheduled by yourself (10.12.-15.12). I guess it is a real race that needs a designer.
2) 17.12. - 21.12. Tour de Pintung (fantasy tour) will be ridden as already proposed in the November thread

[flockmastoR]

If all goes well, I'm planning to do the migration to the new C4F version (aka the DB redesign) on Dec 16, as it can only be done while no tour is ongoing and shouldn't be done directly before a tour, as all previously made inscriptions will be gone and have to be done in the new version again.

@calendar planners: Please don't plan any early race on that day, maybe 11am as first race, so I have enough time to migrate everything and players have some time left for signing up.

ok already planned a race for that day to not forget it, earliest starting at 11:00

[flockmastoR]

If all goes well, I'm planning to do the migration to the new C4F version (aka the DB redesign) on Dec 16, as it can only be done while no tour is ongoing and shouldn't be done directly before a tour, as all previously made inscriptions will be gone and have to be done in the new version again.

@calendar planners: Please don't plan any early race on that day, maybe 11am as first race, so I have enough time to migrate everything and players have some time left for signing up.

ok already planned a race for that day to not forget it, earliest starting at 11:00

OK Sahel is cancelled, so we can replace it with a fantasy tour. I am open for proposals (we can also discuss the date, we can make a non-weekend tour, I favor Oceania region but not obligatory)

[flockmastoR]

OK Sahel is cancelled, so we can replace it with a fantasy tour. I am open for proposals (we can also discuss the date, we can make a non-weekend tour, I favor Oceania region but not obligatory)

[drei.zehn]

OK Sahel is cancelled, so we can replace it with a fantasy tour. I am open for proposals (we can also discuss the date, we can make a non-weekend tour, I favor Oceania region but not obligatory)

Pingtung looks good

[flockmastoR]

OK Sahel is cancelled, so we can replace it with a fantasy tour. I am open for proposals (we can also discuss the date, we can make a non-weekend tour, I favor Oceania region but not obligatory)

Pingtung looks good

Pingtung is set for 17.-21. we need another tour somewhere between 09.-14.

[Hansa]

OK Sahel is cancelled, so we can replace it with a fantasy tour. I am open for proposals (we can also discuss the date, we can make a non-weekend tour, I favor Oceania region but not obligatory)

Pingtung looks good

Pingtung is set for 17.-21. we need another tour somewhere between 09.-14.

SAT (South Australia Tour) by Lenny (5 days 5 Stages)
Tour of Vanua by RKL (3 days 4 stages)

i found these 2, i like Lennys tour.

[drei.zehn]

OK Sahel is cancelled, so we can replace it with a fantasy tour. I am open for proposals (we can also discuss the date, we can make a non-weekend tour, I favor Oceania region but not obligatory)

Pingtung looks good

Pingtung is set for 17.-21. we need another tour somewhere between 09.-14.

SAT (South Australia Tour) by Lenny (5 days 5 Stages)
Tour of Vanua by RKL (3 days 4 stages)

i found these 2, i like Lennys tour.

Can’t find the Lenny tour in editor
Vanua looks fun somehow

[flockmastoR]

Well Vanua is a bit too tt/TTT focused to be placed in parallel to December tour imo. But if some more prefer it it's possible

[lennylenny]

Pingtung looks good

Pingtung is set for 17.-21. we need another tour somewhere between 09.-14.

SAT (South Australia Tour) by Lenny (5 days 5 Stages)
Tour of Vanua by RKL (3 days 4 stages)

i found these 2, i like Lennys tour.

Can’t find the Lenny tour in editor
Vanua looks fun somehow

SAT was still done in old editor i believe

edit: according to the pictures in my thread the profile codes are satpro and then sat1 to sat4

[Hansa]

Pingtung is set for 17.-21. we need another tour somewhere between 09.-14.

SAT (South Australia Tour) by Lenny (5 days 5 Stages)
Tour of Vanua by RKL (3 days 4 stages)

i found these 2, i like Lennys tour.

Can’t find the Lenny tour in editor
Vanua looks fun somehow

SAT was still done in old editor i believe

edit: according to the pictures in my thread the profile codes are satpro and then sat1 to sat4

from 2022 so very possible, but maybe AAD can recover these old profiles? idk