Spring Classics 2023
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Spring Classics 2023
Opening weekend!!
Time to open a thread. Team Bearclaw will start in the evening 99%, 1% is to change to afternoon, depends on daily planning.
Lineup for Omloop will have riders for hilly terrain and pavé:
#1 Linus Broaar - lonely classic without sprint
#2 Jesper Börjesson - pavé specialist
#3 Kay deWolf - pavé helper
#4 Pyry Juupalouma - flat rider with ok pavé skill
#5 Mads Korneliussen - pavé specialist
#6 Lasse Kurvinen - flat rider with good pavé skill
#7 Mikael Persson - 60-80 with good pavé skill
#8 Lukas Skiold - almost 60-80 with ok pavé skill
#9 Cas Valk - flat rider with ok pavé skill
Team looks good to me, just the clear leader with good sprint skill is missing, as usual. But we like the challenge...
Time to open a thread. Team Bearclaw will start in the evening 99%, 1% is to change to afternoon, depends on daily planning.
Lineup for Omloop will have riders for hilly terrain and pavé:
#1 Linus Broaar - lonely classic without sprint
#2 Jesper Börjesson - pavé specialist
#3 Kay deWolf - pavé helper
#4 Pyry Juupalouma - flat rider with ok pavé skill
#5 Mads Korneliussen - pavé specialist
#6 Lasse Kurvinen - flat rider with good pavé skill
#7 Mikael Persson - 60-80 with good pavé skill
#8 Lukas Skiold - almost 60-80 with ok pavé skill
#9 Cas Valk - flat rider with ok pavé skill
Team looks good to me, just the clear leader with good sprint skill is missing, as usual. But we like the challenge...
Re: Spring Classics 2023
Big Donkey in the afternoon.
Het Nieusblad, never won it, so don't like it!!! Ok, I seldom have riders for it too, but still, seems to be the type of race I'm simply not good at. 3 podiums , Balderis in 17 and Armas in 20 second place, Squarcialupi 3rd in 16... So 23 is the year! Or not.
I start with a bunch of outsiders, quite some depth I think, but no real leader.
So the line up in purely alphabetical order, no no. 1 for the leader
Bradman: Has the pavé, not the hills, helper, possibly for some siebs?
Carpinteiro: 62-85, ok pavé, can hold on for a long while depending on his final role, from leader to helper all possible. But winning? 46 sprint? Probably helper
Drinkwater, has the mountain, not the pavé, 70.9. Decent sprint with 54, but if he ends up in front riders with much better sprint will too.
Gurruwiwi: Helper that can come over some hills, decent everywhere, nowhere good.
Pecci: See Bradman, helper
Rossi: 73-79, 71.5 pavé, should be there, first group, but how to win with 49 sprint?
Short: Weakest in pavé, ok in hills, helper
Trutat: Possible future leader for such races, but his lack of sprint will hurt him even if he would be 76-81 with 77.6 pavé...
Vanuytsel: Another possible leader that is a much better helper, pavé, hill at 56 a bit low, sprint 50
So basically 5 possible leaders, 2 classics, 2 60-80 (ok, one 56-80...) and a future classic.. Depending on who else is starting I might have an advantage with depth, but don't see how that really brings me far. No real idea who will be the leader(s) in the end, of course I like Vanuytsel so probably won't be able to resist helping him. Anyway, prediction is an easy top 10 (because probably a small group) but in the end really no real shot at the win.
Het Nieusblad, never won it, so don't like it!!! Ok, I seldom have riders for it too, but still, seems to be the type of race I'm simply not good at. 3 podiums , Balderis in 17 and Armas in 20 second place, Squarcialupi 3rd in 16... So 23 is the year! Or not.
I start with a bunch of outsiders, quite some depth I think, but no real leader.
So the line up in purely alphabetical order, no no. 1 for the leader
Bradman: Has the pavé, not the hills, helper, possibly for some siebs?
Carpinteiro: 62-85, ok pavé, can hold on for a long while depending on his final role, from leader to helper all possible. But winning? 46 sprint? Probably helper
Drinkwater, has the mountain, not the pavé, 70.9. Decent sprint with 54, but if he ends up in front riders with much better sprint will too.
Gurruwiwi: Helper that can come over some hills, decent everywhere, nowhere good.
Pecci: See Bradman, helper
Rossi: 73-79, 71.5 pavé, should be there, first group, but how to win with 49 sprint?
Short: Weakest in pavé, ok in hills, helper
Trutat: Possible future leader for such races, but his lack of sprint will hurt him even if he would be 76-81 with 77.6 pavé...
Vanuytsel: Another possible leader that is a much better helper, pavé, hill at 56 a bit low, sprint 50
So basically 5 possible leaders, 2 classics, 2 60-80 (ok, one 56-80...) and a future classic.. Depending on who else is starting I might have an advantage with depth, but don't see how that really brings me far. No real idea who will be the leader(s) in the end, of course I like Vanuytsel so probably won't be able to resist helping him. Anyway, prediction is an easy top 10 (because probably a small group) but in the end really no real shot at the win.
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Re: Spring Classics 2023
Not yet decided on the time yet but the golden Rs will start their quest to win every cat 4 race this spring with the following line up(in no particular order)
Cesare Camoranesi
Gabriel Richard
Marco Moser
Xaver Wicki
Albert Cancellara
Gael Habermacher
Salvatore Zamorano
Franco Scalleone
Mattia Savinci
Even though the Omloop isn't really something we're particularly well prepared for, I don't see much competition. Mainly because there are only 2 other teams inscribed but also because we're a level above. Puasssaaays.
Cesare Camoranesi
Gabriel Richard
Marco Moser
Xaver Wicki
Albert Cancellara
Gael Habermacher
Salvatore Zamorano
Franco Scalleone
Mattia Savinci
Even though the Omloop isn't really something we're particularly well prepared for, I don't see much competition. Mainly because there are only 2 other teams inscribed but also because we're a level above. Puasssaaays.
J-Czucz hype train
Re: Spring Classics 2023
Kraftsystemrevision! Include the distance!
Basics reform: Give blue a chance!
Don't punish bugusers. We all have to use bugs, since most of them are declared as "features"!
Got a carrot from FL. But they threaten to take it away now.
Basics reform: Give blue a chance!
Don't punish bugusers. We all have to use bugs, since most of them are declared as "features"!
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Re: Spring Classics 2023
Even if the silver Rs are trying to copy the Big D's tactic, he will not make it against the half dead with Fahrenheit being the possible leader. Don't know who else is nominated. Would bet on riders like deCoulomb, Heuser, Celsius.
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Re: Spring Classics 2023
Taka has the silver Rs on his jersey. If you try weak banter at least have it make a bit sense.
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Re: Spring Classics 2023
Omloop 2023 evening
Just 4 teams, Viromet offline. So only three teams. Olaf, plipouze and me. Not the way I want to ride classic races. More teams are welcome.
I did not want to have a boring race, so I rode like it was planned against more teams. Early sieb, riding and siebs and siebs. No attacks planned, just siebs. My team was favourite by far. More flat power, best pavé riders, most riders with good pavé skill. Just a lack of mountain skill against Olaf and plipouze. So making the race hard was good. Olaf made it a good fight, so the race was not so boring as expected.
Sieb at the Muur made the difference and Mikael / Mads rode it home. Mads was the stronger rider in the end and won the race, no sprint, just riding.
Today KBK looks like another race with a low number of teams. We have an evening problem??
Just 4 teams, Viromet offline. So only three teams. Olaf, plipouze and me. Not the way I want to ride classic races. More teams are welcome.
I did not want to have a boring race, so I rode like it was planned against more teams. Early sieb, riding and siebs and siebs. No attacks planned, just siebs. My team was favourite by far. More flat power, best pavé riders, most riders with good pavé skill. Just a lack of mountain skill against Olaf and plipouze. So making the race hard was good. Olaf made it a good fight, so the race was not so boring as expected.
Sieb at the Muur made the difference and Mikael / Mads rode it home. Mads was the stronger rider in the end and won the race, no sprint, just riding.
Today KBK looks like another race with a low number of teams. We have an evening problem??
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Re: Spring Classics 2023
seems UAE tour is just very popularBear wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:08 pmOmloop 2023 evening
Just 4 teams, Viromet offline. So only three teams. Olaf, plipouze and me. Not the way I want to ride classic races. More teams are welcome.
I did not want to have a boring race, so I rode like it was planned against more teams. Early sieb, riding and siebs and siebs. No attacks planned, just siebs. My team was favourite by far. More flat power, best pavé riders, most riders with good pavé skill. Just a lack of mountain skill against Olaf and plipouze. So making the race hard was good. Olaf made it a good fight, so the race was not so boring as expected.
Sieb at the Muur made the difference and Mikael / Mads rode it home. Mads was the stronger rider in the end and won the race, no sprint, just riding.
Today KBK looks like another race with a low number of teams. We have an evening problem??
morning: 9 UAE + 3 one-day race
afternoon: 6 one-day race
early evening: 12 UAE + 6 one-day race
late evening: 12 UAE + 5 one-day race
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Re: Spring Classics 2023
Short afternoon race report.
Small group that felt biggish of course after our numbers in the last year's, but still small group.
The expected Quick win. So I'll do one of my favorite things, criticize the winners tactic, claiming mine would have been better!
His helping... Zamorano? 51-88. What for Savinci 65-87-71 way more sensible.
Not knowing the form I would actually have kept another of his classics fit. Camoranesi-Habermacher-Richard the either Moser as second leader or Savinci as first helper of the leaders. A guy like Habermacher could survive the Muur-Bosberg as nr 3 quite easily I think, my weaker nr 2 Drinkwater did. Ok, the Bosberg tempo was slowish, with full power Drinkwater risks something. Moser, was surprising for me, decent mountain, decent pavé, thought a risk on the final 2 climbs, but that turned out ok finally. A risk, but guarantees a good sprint. Not wrong, Zamorano IMO was.
Race.. no attacks when the Donkey then realized helping Trutat was rather useless and had decided to attack with 2 Quick continued riding, others less helpers. Since otherwise I was going to attack right decision, he's riding anyway... But since he didn't know that, not sure how sensible it was, keep your helpers fresh and helping sounded nice too.
Some chase, partial comeback.
Then Donkey tried to profit from Zamorano. Attack before an 8, sorry forgot which berg.., knowing that Quick would then wait for 51 mountain Zamorano seemed the perfect spot to go. It was, next km 8 Quick tried to get us immediately, but too far, so wait for Zamorano. Who gained 1" per km to Carpinteiro, but when August and Isidoor went in too we started gaining 1". Around 40" in the end, never enough, wasn't too happy about Mobster riding, didn't think he really had a chance. Without him 45" maybe. Possibly better to continue with Amancio? Then no Mobile, down to around 30" but fresh A+I? Don't know..could be.
Muur I drops A.. damn was this AAD guy weak. 9 behind I but only 2 in front of my A. ? Who had ridden more, 150 less energy probably. Little pavé... Can't go alone from there waited. Didn't matter it was always very very likely that we had no chance, needed to be a bigger group. But the attack worth a try thanks to the opening given by Zamorano
Bosberg, Orter goes like Edwin van Hooydonk, 8"? Or 7" Vs Richard then up to 9", then mass in the back, one sec. per km gone, the 2 in the second last km. Only 1" left for the last km, obviously caught.
But even though Orter was amazingly strong (but weakened Richard in tempo) I think the back had reserves. Mass, but if Kwick then goes for yes alone in the last 2-3 km, there's another bunch of seconds there.
Sprint then good Packers reverse try, but Kwick was close and could jump.
The expected win finally.
Interesting finale, but in general wasn't that exciting. 2 attacks in the whole race...
I should have realized that Trutat was for nothing here earlier, (or max holding on), attack early, down to 2 helped guys, Carpinteiro and Vanuytsel, Drinkwater as 3 maybe helped maybe not. Make Kwick work earlier... But ok, without sprint here difficult.
Small group that felt biggish of course after our numbers in the last year's, but still small group.
The expected Quick win. So I'll do one of my favorite things, criticize the winners tactic, claiming mine would have been better!
His helping... Zamorano? 51-88. What for Savinci 65-87-71 way more sensible.
Not knowing the form I would actually have kept another of his classics fit. Camoranesi-Habermacher-Richard the either Moser as second leader or Savinci as first helper of the leaders. A guy like Habermacher could survive the Muur-Bosberg as nr 3 quite easily I think, my weaker nr 2 Drinkwater did. Ok, the Bosberg tempo was slowish, with full power Drinkwater risks something. Moser, was surprising for me, decent mountain, decent pavé, thought a risk on the final 2 climbs, but that turned out ok finally. A risk, but guarantees a good sprint. Not wrong, Zamorano IMO was.
Race.. no attacks when the Donkey then realized helping Trutat was rather useless and had decided to attack with 2 Quick continued riding, others less helpers. Since otherwise I was going to attack right decision, he's riding anyway... But since he didn't know that, not sure how sensible it was, keep your helpers fresh and helping sounded nice too.
Some chase, partial comeback.
Then Donkey tried to profit from Zamorano. Attack before an 8, sorry forgot which berg.., knowing that Quick would then wait for 51 mountain Zamorano seemed the perfect spot to go. It was, next km 8 Quick tried to get us immediately, but too far, so wait for Zamorano. Who gained 1" per km to Carpinteiro, but when August and Isidoor went in too we started gaining 1". Around 40" in the end, never enough, wasn't too happy about Mobster riding, didn't think he really had a chance. Without him 45" maybe. Possibly better to continue with Amancio? Then no Mobile, down to around 30" but fresh A+I? Don't know..could be.
Muur I drops A.. damn was this AAD guy weak. 9 behind I but only 2 in front of my A. ? Who had ridden more, 150 less energy probably. Little pavé... Can't go alone from there waited. Didn't matter it was always very very likely that we had no chance, needed to be a bigger group. But the attack worth a try thanks to the opening given by Zamorano
Bosberg, Orter goes like Edwin van Hooydonk, 8"? Or 7" Vs Richard then up to 9", then mass in the back, one sec. per km gone, the 2 in the second last km. Only 1" left for the last km, obviously caught.
But even though Orter was amazingly strong (but weakened Richard in tempo) I think the back had reserves. Mass, but if Kwick then goes for yes alone in the last 2-3 km, there's another bunch of seconds there.
Sprint then good Packers reverse try, but Kwick was close and could jump.
The expected win finally.
Interesting finale, but in general wasn't that exciting. 2 attacks in the whole race...
I should have realized that Trutat was for nothing here earlier, (or max holding on), attack early, down to 2 helped guys, Carpinteiro and Vanuytsel, Drinkwater as 3 maybe helped maybe not. Make Kwick work earlier... But ok, without sprint here difficult.
Kraftsystemrevision! Include the distance!
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Basics reform: Give blue a chance!
Don't punish bugusers. We all have to use bugs, since most of them are declared as "features"!
Got a carrot from FL. But they threaten to take it away now.
Re: Spring Classics 2023
Good managing would have obviously been to just be save and keep Savinci. But I tried to be a bit better than good and kept Salva.
Also always good to surprise and give something to think.
And it nearly worked! After the first real sieb when Savinci rode, it looked really, really good. Unfortunately mobster was probably the only team who didn't profit from bringing the helpers back but did most work behind to keep them in distance for you to get forward again and sieb on pave.
But ok..good managing. Better managing. Apparently bad managing was enough this time.
Oh, and anyway. We'll start Monte Paschi at 9 because of time-complications. Would hope to see another good group.
Also always good to surprise and give something to think.
And it nearly worked! After the first real sieb when Savinci rode, it looked really, really good. Unfortunately mobster was probably the only team who didn't profit from bringing the helpers back but did most work behind to keep them in distance for you to get forward again and sieb on pave.
But ok..good managing. Better managing. Apparently bad managing was enough this time.
Oh, and anyway. We'll start Monte Paschi at 9 because of time-complications. Would hope to see another good group.
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Re: Spring Classics 2023
But why no classic as number 3 or 4?
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Re: Spring Classics 2023
Richard in topform was the clear 3. Cesare and Moser wanted to keep both fit to win.
So either Savinci or Zamorano. I think Gael and Albert both were around 88 form and just didn't think it's worth keeping any of them, even with better form. No 4 was meant to ride against dangerous attacks before the final.
Was too cold anyway to keep 4 fit for me.
So either Savinci or Zamorano. I think Gael and Albert both were around 88 form and just didn't think it's worth keeping any of them, even with better form. No 4 was meant to ride against dangerous attacks before the final.
Was too cold anyway to keep 4 fit for me.
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Re: Spring Classics 2023
Monte Paschi up next
r Quick is gonna win the *14h Edition this time.
Currently nominated are following stars:
Gio di Stefano
Cristo Guaqueta
Gael Habermacher
Gabriel Richard
Roby Klebhuber
Mattia Savinci
Xaver Wicki
Edilberto Osso
Franco Scalleone
Might still change one rider. Maybe Parisi for Richard or so to give other teams a better chance. We'll see. Anyway, no Ganna yet again!
*and just like that we have to move to 14h and we'll bring Zamorano instead of Wicki.
r Quick is gonna win the *14h Edition this time.
Currently nominated are following stars:
Gio di Stefano
Cristo Guaqueta
Gael Habermacher
Gabriel Richard
Roby Klebhuber
Mattia Savinci
Xaver Wicki
Edilberto Osso
Franco Scalleone
Might still change one rider. Maybe Parisi for Richard or so to give other teams a better chance. We'll see. Anyway, no Ganna yet again!
*and just like that we have to move to 14h and we'll bring Zamorano instead of Wicki.
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Re: Spring Classics 2023
Strade Bianche in the evening for me as usual. During the day I want to focus on the live coverage.
Lineup already decided. #X1 will be Linus Broaar. If he stays the leader will be shown during the race.
Lineup already decided. #X1 will be Linus Broaar. If he stays the leader will be shown during the race.
Re: Spring Classics 2023
Donkey would have like 9am, but out of a sense of duty to keep the afternoon strong, 14h it is....
1 G. Payot
2 A. Carpinteiro
3 L. Ceroni
4 C. Drinkwater
5 R. Huizinga
6 R. Pecci
7 P. Rossi
8 L. Trutat
9 I. Vanuytsel
So a climber, 3 classics and a half classic, not sure if maybe that's too much. Payot starts as leader, but if it becomes clear that it's too hard for him, Rossi-Drinkwater-Huizinga can take over. But we look forward to the battle versus r Ganna, yes, rumours are Alfredo Ganna is taking over the management of the team still known as r Quick, that's the reason he's been off the road a few days now, paperwork with the authorities in Düsseldorf/?/Vienna, with this decentralization of c4f, first it was Herne, then Monza and St. Petersburg, now 3 places, stuff like changing the ownership and management of a team is becoming more complicated. Plus we heard a rumour about a shooting at r Quick headquarters too. But we expect that the takeover by the best sprinter since Fabulous Conti will happen within 2 weeks!
Ah, Strade Bianche, changes still possible in the lineup, Ceroni with limited flat could get kicked. Or Trutat for the same reason. Gamboa, Gurruwiwi, Lekubarri, Short and Steiner are hanging out in Siena too, but we'll have to figure out if they are here only for Tirreno later or an option for this too....Anyway, Big Donkey will resort to paper and pen in a second to figure out the Tirreno-Adriatico lineup, after that we have more clarity.
1 G. Payot
2 A. Carpinteiro
3 L. Ceroni
4 C. Drinkwater
5 R. Huizinga
6 R. Pecci
7 P. Rossi
8 L. Trutat
9 I. Vanuytsel
So a climber, 3 classics and a half classic, not sure if maybe that's too much. Payot starts as leader, but if it becomes clear that it's too hard for him, Rossi-Drinkwater-Huizinga can take over. But we look forward to the battle versus r Ganna, yes, rumours are Alfredo Ganna is taking over the management of the team still known as r Quick, that's the reason he's been off the road a few days now, paperwork with the authorities in Düsseldorf/?/Vienna, with this decentralization of c4f, first it was Herne, then Monza and St. Petersburg, now 3 places, stuff like changing the ownership and management of a team is becoming more complicated. Plus we heard a rumour about a shooting at r Quick headquarters too. But we expect that the takeover by the best sprinter since Fabulous Conti will happen within 2 weeks!
Ah, Strade Bianche, changes still possible in the lineup, Ceroni with limited flat could get kicked. Or Trutat for the same reason. Gamboa, Gurruwiwi, Lekubarri, Short and Steiner are hanging out in Siena too, but we'll have to figure out if they are here only for Tirreno later or an option for this too....Anyway, Big Donkey will resort to paper and pen in a second to figure out the Tirreno-Adriatico lineup, after that we have more clarity.
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Re: Spring Classics 2023
A&D on a break right now. Let's see if we manage to ride at TA or MSR
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Re: Spring Classics 2023
Team FL joins in at the Strade Bianche afternoon fun with a low cost line up:
x1 Forte
x2 Godoy
x3 Grün
x4 Hässig
x5 Jansons
x6 Juantorena
x7 Piano
x8 Pszczolarski
x9 Tiktak
Both Clément and Ventura opted out as they hate pavé and dirt road...
x1 Forte
x2 Godoy
x3 Grün
x4 Hässig
x5 Jansons
x6 Juantorena
x7 Piano
x8 Pszczolarski
x9 Tiktak
Both Clément and Ventura opted out as they hate pavé and dirt road...
I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said.
Re: Spring Classics 2023
Good win by Quick, big setback for r Ganna of course, but good win for Quick.
Payot as leader, as I feared too hard. Actually everything went pretty much perfectly for him I think, early sieb early chase which is good for Payot, then at least the guys in front use a rider or 2 as well. And I'm pretty sure to come back at some point. Had expected the first real sieb later, but early was more than fine with me. Other + point of course having the multi with his 84 climber, more flat, more pavé, sure to come into the final km fitter than Payot, likely to come out of the second last pavé ahead of Payot and with support never letting him back, so 2 teams to ride in the back, could let the multi do more as well. And a third team, Southwest Packers with a climber too, highest pavé of us all, 85 mountain, Belaili not bad either, but will most likely have less energy than Portmann, so was more looking at Portmann than Belaili.
So first sieb at km 31 already, 20" advantage, Kwick rides. By the time I realized the sieb had happened was over 30" already. Then fluctuated between 20-40" until the climb to Montalcino, up to 2' or almost. But Quick, the only one riding already 2 riders lost, behind the climbers chasing group, already using the 3-4th, in the back still Ceroni (who had taken over from Pecci after a few km) and a multi, plus the occasional Packer in tempo. Still 1'40" when we entered the next sector, Lucignano d'Asso, there with Katari from the multi in tempo the advantage collapsed, Ceroni dropped, Almost caught, a km by Pecci sealed the deal (wasn't really necessary), after 70km chasing back in front. And I was very happy, because I expected the fireworks to start here, and then probably much much harder for climbers to come back. The early sieb somehow was good for me at least.
For Quick, maybe this was good, it guaranteed tempo in the peloton, with the cowardly multi with the 2 top favorites in the peloton the early group that turned out to be completely irrelevant might have come through, like that tempo in peloton, and free is split. Riding just against pure climbers like me and PAckers probably a later sieb, around here, much better, but against the multi like that probably was the safer way.
Then double Romoc-CC attack, Kwick tries a counter, free reacts, finished. The Donkey brings Ceroni back and is back relaxing.
Next sector a Ansach sieb at the second last km, Trutat bring Payot back to the peloton, Payot only one dropped too. NOt good, but... AFter that Quick rides, then goes out, 5'30" advantage for the quartet in front, at this point I didn't really see them as big danger, with the long sector coming.
There Payot dropped first again, but the others soon after, still, 20" ahead of Payot, IMO there they had to ride, 10" behind the Kwickpeloton, 20" ahead of Payot, but the multi to cowardly, Packers not sure why, they didn't ride and waited 20" for my group. At the end of the sector still 30" back. Kwick 4 riders in front, Donks-Multi-Packers a combined 11 in the back. Leaders in front can't be used, last helper neither, so that means 2 Kwicks and potential helpers from other teams vs 8 riders that in principle can ride their lungs out in the back. Gravel sectors only short and mostly up from now on, thought it looked quite good. Both for Payot (but the problem that he was the weakest on every sector remained) and for Rossi-Huizinga in front, they were waiting for the right moment to pounce. Or follow Juantorena's pounce. But only Donks and Multi riding, so 2 vs 2 in tempo, Packers joining late, no time gained back.
Then the decisive moment, the short 6** sector at km 161, Richard in, in the back Drinkwater. Multi had decided to go for the front. So ride with Worrel in front instead of putting his classic with Portmann in in the back and let Quick try to control the rest with only 1 rider. It was going to be difficult to come back anyway, but at that point to me a comeback seemed still possible. If not was ok too, as long as there was an opening for my Rossi-Huizinga attack.
Sieb by Mawson at the last sector, Richard 6 seconds back, but Rossi back too, 1 or 2 ahead.. so no chance. Huizinga alone, only worth it with somebody on the wheel, didn't think he would be a popular choice, since I had tried to "hide" him as second leader (hiding didn't really work, if somebody looked was clear he was my other leader) so no. Tried the Rossi-Huizinga attack later, 3"+1" gained, I had hoped a bit more vs Tobar who had ridden a bit already... but at this point didn't matter much. 4th/5th or 9th as he ended up finally... The hoped for opening never happened. Well it happened when Romoc and CC went, good attack, I thought was under control while Kwick was doing his best whining performance to convince the world they were through... Then I started doubting, Kwick might be right, and right then it started melting, Kwick even could take 1-2 slower km.
A bit of sectrick games by Kwick/free, but both usually in anyway, as could be expected. Last km, Habermacher wins, a bit of a surprise, thought would be Palmeirson for sure, but no, Habermacher 1" ahead. Wild and Botero then another second back.
Enjoyed it, at least had something to do. Alone hopeless, we were 3, for a long time thought the climbers had decent chances, mostly due to the early sieb, if it's done aound km 100... virtually no chance even for 3 teams. Still think climbers would have had good chances if the multi had commited to Portmann. And there he was the favorite too, since Payot had that 6-3 with ** to survive, the 6 usually ok, the 3** for sure not. If we reach that... I'd have to ride with Payot on the 6 then hope that the strong gravelers were far enough back not to drop him. And otherwise hope for that opening for Juantorena, the FL guy was an important piece in my masterplan for Huizinga (but again, not on that devilish 3), but that opening never really was there.
So 9th for Huizinga, ok, apart from fighting not on for Trutat when he needed it, some others maybe too, and missing too many km doing other stuff on the internet did well enough I thought.
Payot as leader, as I feared too hard. Actually everything went pretty much perfectly for him I think, early sieb early chase which is good for Payot, then at least the guys in front use a rider or 2 as well. And I'm pretty sure to come back at some point. Had expected the first real sieb later, but early was more than fine with me. Other + point of course having the multi with his 84 climber, more flat, more pavé, sure to come into the final km fitter than Payot, likely to come out of the second last pavé ahead of Payot and with support never letting him back, so 2 teams to ride in the back, could let the multi do more as well. And a third team, Southwest Packers with a climber too, highest pavé of us all, 85 mountain, Belaili not bad either, but will most likely have less energy than Portmann, so was more looking at Portmann than Belaili.
So first sieb at km 31 already, 20" advantage, Kwick rides. By the time I realized the sieb had happened was over 30" already. Then fluctuated between 20-40" until the climb to Montalcino, up to 2' or almost. But Quick, the only one riding already 2 riders lost, behind the climbers chasing group, already using the 3-4th, in the back still Ceroni (who had taken over from Pecci after a few km) and a multi, plus the occasional Packer in tempo. Still 1'40" when we entered the next sector, Lucignano d'Asso, there with Katari from the multi in tempo the advantage collapsed, Ceroni dropped, Almost caught, a km by Pecci sealed the deal (wasn't really necessary), after 70km chasing back in front. And I was very happy, because I expected the fireworks to start here, and then probably much much harder for climbers to come back. The early sieb somehow was good for me at least.
For Quick, maybe this was good, it guaranteed tempo in the peloton, with the cowardly multi with the 2 top favorites in the peloton the early group that turned out to be completely irrelevant might have come through, like that tempo in peloton, and free is split. Riding just against pure climbers like me and PAckers probably a later sieb, around here, much better, but against the multi like that probably was the safer way.
Then double Romoc-CC attack, Kwick tries a counter, free reacts, finished. The Donkey brings Ceroni back and is back relaxing.
Next sector a Ansach sieb at the second last km, Trutat bring Payot back to the peloton, Payot only one dropped too. NOt good, but... AFter that Quick rides, then goes out, 5'30" advantage for the quartet in front, at this point I didn't really see them as big danger, with the long sector coming.
There Payot dropped first again, but the others soon after, still, 20" ahead of Payot, IMO there they had to ride, 10" behind the Kwickpeloton, 20" ahead of Payot, but the multi to cowardly, Packers not sure why, they didn't ride and waited 20" for my group. At the end of the sector still 30" back. Kwick 4 riders in front, Donks-Multi-Packers a combined 11 in the back. Leaders in front can't be used, last helper neither, so that means 2 Kwicks and potential helpers from other teams vs 8 riders that in principle can ride their lungs out in the back. Gravel sectors only short and mostly up from now on, thought it looked quite good. Both for Payot (but the problem that he was the weakest on every sector remained) and for Rossi-Huizinga in front, they were waiting for the right moment to pounce. Or follow Juantorena's pounce. But only Donks and Multi riding, so 2 vs 2 in tempo, Packers joining late, no time gained back.
Then the decisive moment, the short 6** sector at km 161, Richard in, in the back Drinkwater. Multi had decided to go for the front. So ride with Worrel in front instead of putting his classic with Portmann in in the back and let Quick try to control the rest with only 1 rider. It was going to be difficult to come back anyway, but at that point to me a comeback seemed still possible. If not was ok too, as long as there was an opening for my Rossi-Huizinga attack.
Sieb by Mawson at the last sector, Richard 6 seconds back, but Rossi back too, 1 or 2 ahead.. so no chance. Huizinga alone, only worth it with somebody on the wheel, didn't think he would be a popular choice, since I had tried to "hide" him as second leader (hiding didn't really work, if somebody looked was clear he was my other leader) so no. Tried the Rossi-Huizinga attack later, 3"+1" gained, I had hoped a bit more vs Tobar who had ridden a bit already... but at this point didn't matter much. 4th/5th or 9th as he ended up finally... The hoped for opening never happened. Well it happened when Romoc and CC went, good attack, I thought was under control while Kwick was doing his best whining performance to convince the world they were through... Then I started doubting, Kwick might be right, and right then it started melting, Kwick even could take 1-2 slower km.
A bit of sectrick games by Kwick/free, but both usually in anyway, as could be expected. Last km, Habermacher wins, a bit of a surprise, thought would be Palmeirson for sure, but no, Habermacher 1" ahead. Wild and Botero then another second back.
Enjoyed it, at least had something to do. Alone hopeless, we were 3, for a long time thought the climbers had decent chances, mostly due to the early sieb, if it's done aound km 100... virtually no chance even for 3 teams. Still think climbers would have had good chances if the multi had commited to Portmann. And there he was the favorite too, since Payot had that 6-3 with ** to survive, the 6 usually ok, the 3** for sure not. If we reach that... I'd have to ride with Payot on the 6 then hope that the strong gravelers were far enough back not to drop him. And otherwise hope for that opening for Juantorena, the FL guy was an important piece in my masterplan for Huizinga (but again, not on that devilish 3), but that opening never really was there.
So 9th for Huizinga, ok, apart from fighting not on for Trutat when he needed it, some others maybe too, and missing too many km doing other stuff on the internet did well enough I thought.
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Re: Spring Classics 2023
Good race Linus, managed to do all the right things until the end. And I'm less mad about not winning than I would be if it was Viromet winning with his sucky attitude.
Edit: I'm actually so mad at Graham for failing that I would sell him right now if I stay ingame 2 more minutes...
Re: Spring Classics 2023
You asked for it in the race chat. You wrote me countless PNs. I'm also pretty sure I caught a plane with a banner lately...so here it is. DRUNK KWICK for the analysis.
Gotta be honest though. 30y+ Kwick is a different beast. Did my best to get to a good level and 20yo Quick would be properly intoxicated already (and of coursenot home yet)...but anyway.
First, we gonna analyse the Kwick himself. Yesterday(actually Friday already but who cares) Richard won, Gael nowhere to be seen. The day before: Gael siebed behind the Alk pave guy. So obviously, for anyone who paid attention, Gael only 85 form. Because MSR...you know, the race I've been talking about for months.
So keeping that in mind, the relatively cheap lineup for a cat 4 and that Free has an 75-80 with 78 pave, I really didn't think anyone saw me as favorite. Nor did I think I would be anyway.
The plan was simple: do nothing, give Gael 2 helpers and hope for the best in the end.
Unfortunately for me. Or maybe fortunately, free isn't really a good manager. He thrives on having the best team and best sprint skills. Fair enough... but usually we're confident to beat that, which usually results in not beating free
But at least, we know free. Free rides alone when he knows his chance is 80% or higher. Free will ask anybody around if it's only 50-80% and if it's 30% or less he won't even bother. Again, fair enough.
So km1 or km3...a group goes. Usually, I'd say Asgeit CLEARLY the beat rider. Then Portman. Anyway, it's a free race. But no typical free race. Because he's used to get cat 1s gifted even if he comes with 500k salary. Will have to do a bit more here.
Anyway, enough free shade. Just kidding, I'm far from done with him. The group goes and if you've ever seen a free race: if he's willing to work, he'll let the group 30 seconds and then chase. But this time, with the strongest leaders, he didn't. Ok... Payot strong but really, what is Asgeir fearing? Why even bring Portman here?
So obviously topform 35 year old Gael didn't want to get wasted. Needed a plan. So sieb asap. Who cares anyway, either the group is through or I'll make the race kwick.
Sieb the climbers. Ride. Everything is set up perfectly for a good old pave chaos race. Chaos > sure climber win. I think I used Guaqueta, Scalleone, Cancellare, Klebi and Osso all within the first 70km.
SCREAMING for FL, for CC, for Romoc to accept this invitation and DO FUCKING SOMETHING. Because first priority was of course to keep the climbers behind and open the race. Because what are we doing here anyway if we wait for Free and Donk to calmly control the finish until the last km?
But nothing happened. Ever. The whole race it was me against the climbers. CC, Romoc, FL, you all had the team to at least sieb Osso, Cristo and probably Albert too. Basically kill me and really open it up. Also a good opportunity at the3rd long pave sector when the climbers came back to sieb them and take over the initiative with 8 or 9 riders vs my 5 or 6.
But no. Fucking passive. Yea, romoc and CC attacked. Super. I did my best to ride as slow as possible and that still wasn't enough. No, I'm really disappointed by those 3 teams. And BW, I didn't forget you but don't even get me started! Ansach, no words, really.
So whatever. I just ride. Because against the popular opinion, riding really doesn't hurt you much. We ride. Climbers no chance. We ride. We stop because we're still not entirely sure about Asgeir. Then the group had a chance but Free not riding really said so much. SO SO MUCH. That was the moment when I knew that Gael might really win this.
Has Asgeir really E3 form? Doesn't make any sense. MSR? Makes a bit more sense but not much either. But ok...free isn't used to fighting for his wins, so sense or not, I was then convinced he hadn't form here.
So, we continue our game plan. Be annoying. Wherever. If you think that was whining. It was cat 4 whining. I'll give you cat 6 whining soon.
But even all the whining didn't bring free out of his pocket. Unusually calm.
When I wrote in the chat "free knows he lost this", I meant it.
He's a sucker but he wants his wins. And he didn't do as much for it as he usually does. Well... free is a cat 1 hunter after all.
So in the end, he rode the important kms with Tobar. Gael attacked and was stronger.
FL, CC, Tomoc,BW and Ansach spent with us 2 beautiful hours with a strong team while never trying anything of substance.
Donkey rode for Payot, which makes sense I think. Same for SWP. And free is just a noob with an expensive team. The Hungarian strudel lover probably the best opponent because of his name.
Well... this race had so much potential and we made absolutely nothing out of it except climbers trying to win a pave race. LOL
Now Gael probably retires. <3
Peace.
Gotta be honest though. 30y+ Kwick is a different beast. Did my best to get to a good level and 20yo Quick would be properly intoxicated already (and of coursenot home yet)...but anyway.
First, we gonna analyse the Kwick himself. Yesterday(actually Friday already but who cares) Richard won, Gael nowhere to be seen. The day before: Gael siebed behind the Alk pave guy. So obviously, for anyone who paid attention, Gael only 85 form. Because MSR...you know, the race I've been talking about for months.
So keeping that in mind, the relatively cheap lineup for a cat 4 and that Free has an 75-80 with 78 pave, I really didn't think anyone saw me as favorite. Nor did I think I would be anyway.
The plan was simple: do nothing, give Gael 2 helpers and hope for the best in the end.
Unfortunately for me. Or maybe fortunately, free isn't really a good manager. He thrives on having the best team and best sprint skills. Fair enough... but usually we're confident to beat that, which usually results in not beating free
But at least, we know free. Free rides alone when he knows his chance is 80% or higher. Free will ask anybody around if it's only 50-80% and if it's 30% or less he won't even bother. Again, fair enough.
So km1 or km3...a group goes. Usually, I'd say Asgeit CLEARLY the beat rider. Then Portman. Anyway, it's a free race. But no typical free race. Because he's used to get cat 1s gifted even if he comes with 500k salary. Will have to do a bit more here.
Anyway, enough free shade. Just kidding, I'm far from done with him. The group goes and if you've ever seen a free race: if he's willing to work, he'll let the group 30 seconds and then chase. But this time, with the strongest leaders, he didn't. Ok... Payot strong but really, what is Asgeir fearing? Why even bring Portman here?
So obviously topform 35 year old Gael didn't want to get wasted. Needed a plan. So sieb asap. Who cares anyway, either the group is through or I'll make the race kwick.
Sieb the climbers. Ride. Everything is set up perfectly for a good old pave chaos race. Chaos > sure climber win. I think I used Guaqueta, Scalleone, Cancellare, Klebi and Osso all within the first 70km.
SCREAMING for FL, for CC, for Romoc to accept this invitation and DO FUCKING SOMETHING. Because first priority was of course to keep the climbers behind and open the race. Because what are we doing here anyway if we wait for Free and Donk to calmly control the finish until the last km?
But nothing happened. Ever. The whole race it was me against the climbers. CC, Romoc, FL, you all had the team to at least sieb Osso, Cristo and probably Albert too. Basically kill me and really open it up. Also a good opportunity at the3rd long pave sector when the climbers came back to sieb them and take over the initiative with 8 or 9 riders vs my 5 or 6.
But no. Fucking passive. Yea, romoc and CC attacked. Super. I did my best to ride as slow as possible and that still wasn't enough. No, I'm really disappointed by those 3 teams. And BW, I didn't forget you but don't even get me started! Ansach, no words, really.
So whatever. I just ride. Because against the popular opinion, riding really doesn't hurt you much. We ride. Climbers no chance. We ride. We stop because we're still not entirely sure about Asgeir. Then the group had a chance but Free not riding really said so much. SO SO MUCH. That was the moment when I knew that Gael might really win this.
Has Asgeir really E3 form? Doesn't make any sense. MSR? Makes a bit more sense but not much either. But ok...free isn't used to fighting for his wins, so sense or not, I was then convinced he hadn't form here.
So, we continue our game plan. Be annoying. Wherever. If you think that was whining. It was cat 4 whining. I'll give you cat 6 whining soon.
But even all the whining didn't bring free out of his pocket. Unusually calm.
When I wrote in the chat "free knows he lost this", I meant it.
He's a sucker but he wants his wins. And he didn't do as much for it as he usually does. Well... free is a cat 1 hunter after all.
So in the end, he rode the important kms with Tobar. Gael attacked and was stronger.
FL, CC, Tomoc,BW and Ansach spent with us 2 beautiful hours with a strong team while never trying anything of substance.
Donkey rode for Payot, which makes sense I think. Same for SWP. And free is just a noob with an expensive team. The Hungarian strudel lover probably the best opponent because of his name.
Well... this race had so much potential and we made absolutely nothing out of it except climbers trying to win a pave race. LOL
Now Gael probably retires. <3
Peace.
J-Czucz hype train
Re: Spring Classics 2023
Thanks Kwick for your entertaining speech. If you are drunk you tell the truth they say. I like that
I watched your race relive and I did not expect you to win on last km, expected free to be stronger because of having more help. But did not watch every km in detail.
Late evening edition was very quiet for the most part. I just tried to have many helpers as long as possible. Actually had no fighting on at any rider until the final kilometers. Unfortunately a mistake that I did not keep Roni fit. So I was up to 3 riders after a sieb on the steep climbs. Because of that, I had to make a decision to go for Linus or Mikael. For this profile it surely is better to go for Linus, but I like a 60-80 like Mikael much more. About 5km noone had a helper with Lukas still in the same group. Then helped Mikael with Lukas for about 2km and then I came back to my mind and changed to Linus. Right decision would have to help Linus with Lukas and Mikael. But somehow I couldnt convince me to do that.
Fortunately I followed the Taka attack at Colle Pinzuto. So did Bahrain. Mateusz looked not like the fully protected leader because of Tyler being the best classic of Bahrain. Taka attacked with both classics. Graham the obvious leader. Dogan rode some km alone. We couldnt make a fast deal how to ride with the fresh(er) classics. Dogan kept on riding for sure and peloton did not close the gap very much. Just before Le Tolfe Linus joined for the downhill km to show some interest. Taka and Bahrain waited. At Le Tolfe all in and we siebed Dogan. Knowing about Linus situation it was clear to me that I need to go out for some km. With the one km downhill more, one mountain skill less and no chance in a sprint, Linus needed a big advantage in energy. Just to be able follow would have helped me nothing. So plan was to stay in until km179 and then waiting for last km. Luckily Taka and Bahrain both kept on riding red. I was expecting Bahrain to go out too and maybe Taka to change to blue or something like that.
Last km. Linus attacks and wins it by one second. Then I realized that Bahrain and Taka both not attacked and hung on each other. Lucky day for Linus. Really happy to win Strade again after 2021. Next year will be the next try to win it with a 60-80 pavé rider as this would make the win even more sweet.
Last words: Late evening group was maybe the weakest edition yesterday. But I was happy, we had some more teams in again.
I watched your race relive and I did not expect you to win on last km, expected free to be stronger because of having more help. But did not watch every km in detail.
Late evening edition was very quiet for the most part. I just tried to have many helpers as long as possible. Actually had no fighting on at any rider until the final kilometers. Unfortunately a mistake that I did not keep Roni fit. So I was up to 3 riders after a sieb on the steep climbs. Because of that, I had to make a decision to go for Linus or Mikael. For this profile it surely is better to go for Linus, but I like a 60-80 like Mikael much more. About 5km noone had a helper with Lukas still in the same group. Then helped Mikael with Lukas for about 2km and then I came back to my mind and changed to Linus. Right decision would have to help Linus with Lukas and Mikael. But somehow I couldnt convince me to do that.
Fortunately I followed the Taka attack at Colle Pinzuto. So did Bahrain. Mateusz looked not like the fully protected leader because of Tyler being the best classic of Bahrain. Taka attacked with both classics. Graham the obvious leader. Dogan rode some km alone. We couldnt make a fast deal how to ride with the fresh(er) classics. Dogan kept on riding for sure and peloton did not close the gap very much. Just before Le Tolfe Linus joined for the downhill km to show some interest. Taka and Bahrain waited. At Le Tolfe all in and we siebed Dogan. Knowing about Linus situation it was clear to me that I need to go out for some km. With the one km downhill more, one mountain skill less and no chance in a sprint, Linus needed a big advantage in energy. Just to be able follow would have helped me nothing. So plan was to stay in until km179 and then waiting for last km. Luckily Taka and Bahrain both kept on riding red. I was expecting Bahrain to go out too and maybe Taka to change to blue or something like that.
Last km. Linus attacks and wins it by one second. Then I realized that Bahrain and Taka both not attacked and hung on each other. Lucky day for Linus. Really happy to win Strade again after 2021. Next year will be the next try to win it with a 60-80 pavé rider as this would make the win even more sweet.
Last words: Late evening group was maybe the weakest edition yesterday. But I was happy, we had some more teams in again.
Re: Spring Classics 2023
One race in the evening and the cat4+ purge is gone. Congrats Lauge.
Probably afternoon MSR for me...the easy win, you know.
Probably afternoon MSR for me...the easy win, you know.
J-Czucz hype train
Re: Spring Classics 2023
Big Donkey in the afternoon. Petit Singe will be the DS.
1 R. Gamboa: "I believe in my chances" We don't. Leader due to lack of other leaders
2 A. Carpinteiro: "I'll help Gamboa come back after the Cipressa" Try to help depending on the guys ahead
3 L. Ceroni: "The boss is relying more and more on me, hope not to disappoint him". Actually only there for some loading
4 B. Gurruwiwi: "Oh, Big D. told me Bradman would start, so I'm here? Aboriginal power, we'll win" Bradman, what an idea...
5 R. Pecci: "Here to win, I'm Italian, I plan to win" Or help Rrurrambu until the Cipressa more likely
6 P. Rossi: "You'll see on the Poggio, Rossi drops everybody" Just stay with Gamboa sounds better
7 G. Rrurrambu: "The Poggio looks steep, the Cipressa worse. But this new DS wants me there" Well, why not, if others bring him back...
8 A. Short: "Still can contribute, I'm ready to ride for whoever feels best during the race" That will be Gamboa.
9 I. Vanuytsel: "Like Carpinteiro I'm supposed to help Gamboa after the Cipressa". See Carpinteiro
Team could still change, Trutat, Bradman, Drinkwater will fly to Milano as well, just in case.
1 R. Gamboa: "I believe in my chances" We don't. Leader due to lack of other leaders
2 A. Carpinteiro: "I'll help Gamboa come back after the Cipressa" Try to help depending on the guys ahead
3 L. Ceroni: "The boss is relying more and more on me, hope not to disappoint him". Actually only there for some loading
4 B. Gurruwiwi: "Oh, Big D. told me Bradman would start, so I'm here? Aboriginal power, we'll win" Bradman, what an idea...
5 R. Pecci: "Here to win, I'm Italian, I plan to win" Or help Rrurrambu until the Cipressa more likely
6 P. Rossi: "You'll see on the Poggio, Rossi drops everybody" Just stay with Gamboa sounds better
7 G. Rrurrambu: "The Poggio looks steep, the Cipressa worse. But this new DS wants me there" Well, why not, if others bring him back...
8 A. Short: "Still can contribute, I'm ready to ride for whoever feels best during the race" That will be Gamboa.
9 I. Vanuytsel: "Like Carpinteiro I'm supposed to help Gamboa after the Cipressa". See Carpinteiro
Team could still change, Trutat, Bradman, Drinkwater will fly to Milano as well, just in case.
Kraftsystemrevision! Include the distance!
Basics reform: Give blue a chance!
Don't punish bugusers. We all have to use bugs, since most of them are declared as "features"!
Got a carrot from FL. But they threaten to take it away now.
Basics reform: Give blue a chance!
Don't punish bugusers. We all have to use bugs, since most of them are declared as "features"!
Got a carrot from FL. But they threaten to take it away now.
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Re: Spring Classics 2023
Chemnitz will ride MSR in the morning
#1 Christian Brackhammer: captain and hopes for a decent result
#2 Aditya Mirchandani: best flat helper
#3 Ignacio Sebredo: flat helper which needs 3 days break after Saturday
#4 Josef Kaltenbrunner: see above
#5 Nero Faye: only helper which could help the next day as well with his reg
#6 Vitaly Kalinichenko: costs nothing
#7 Daniel Vassilyev: costs even less
#8 Benjamin Hutracht: his last win feels like ages ago
#9 Niklas Warmund: not sure whether the form is here, but will try something probably.
#1 Christian Brackhammer: captain and hopes for a decent result
#2 Aditya Mirchandani: best flat helper
#3 Ignacio Sebredo: flat helper which needs 3 days break after Saturday
#4 Josef Kaltenbrunner: see above
#5 Nero Faye: only helper which could help the next day as well with his reg
#6 Vitaly Kalinichenko: costs nothing
#7 Daniel Vassilyev: costs even less
#8 Benjamin Hutracht: his last win feels like ages ago
#9 Niklas Warmund: not sure whether the form is here, but will try something probably.
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