le TOUR 2010 - 14:00 h

[DJK Nilkheim]

i hope you let Mullermann his red jersey... He was/ is fighting for it the hole tour and in the end he would stand there without the jersey, any stage win and just nothing

[bergwerk cycling]

i hope you let Mullermann his red jersey... He was/ is fighting for it the hole tour and in the end he would stand there without the jersey, any stage win and just nothing

I think Pullermann have enough hillpoints ... roby will catch in the best case 35, so Gamov have 138. Pullermann will stay in red in my eyes.


(Ich muss schon sagen, dass Pullermann mir gehörig auf den Sack ging zu Beginn der Rundfahrt ... hätte aber auch nicht geglaubt, dass das nochmal eng werden würde um rot. Also Nilk wohl doch alles richtig gemacht, dass er sich um jeden Punkt bemühte.
Mein Tipp für morgen: 35 Punkte holt Gamov im äußersten Falle, dann hat er 138. Müsste also auch wohl schon so reichen und wie ich Pullermann kenne, will er morgen doch auch schon wieder .... )

[Robyklebt]

Pff, we'll see!

Answer to Pate in German! Use google translation in case you care.

Warten? Wir haben gewartet weil du uns geholfen hast, also normal und nichts zu danken. Allerdings hättest du dann eigentlich nicht mehr fahren dürfen, da du schon so wenig Kraft hattest. Lieber versuchen die Etappe zu gewinnen, also einfach lutschen. Hätte niemand etwas sagen können, so bist schlussendlich für Platz 4 gefahren, was dir ja nicht viel bringt. Aix und Lecce fahren, ist klar. Sie erhöhen ihre Chancen auf Gelb enorm. Und haben deshalb auch angekündigt nicht zu sprinten. Bei mir, nicht ganz so klar, aber eigentlich auch. Ich muss zwar diese 2 da loswerden, unbedingt um die Tour zu gewinnen... aber das ging da einfach nicht mehr, also lieber mal auf die 2 hinten was holen. Und auch angekündigt dass ich nicht sprinte. ByZickl fährt auch, klar. Er kann die Etappe holen. Er ist sogar der Topfavorit, weil wir ja nicht sprinten. Wenn er natürlich zu früh aufhört, wie BW das so halb verlangt, könnte es sein dass ich z.B. dann auch rausgehe, dann soll er schauen wie er zu seiner Etappe kommt. Weil von hinten kommen dann noch die Klassiker, das war sonnenklar, also Aix, Flitzer und Berlogea. Wenn's so aussieht als ob wir max 10" holen.. gut, dann kommen die von hinten. Und da gewinnt dann entweder der Aix, wohl falls die Kooperation vorne nicht mehr funktioniert, d.h. die Etappenjäger zu früh rausgehen, oder Flitzer, falls es einfach nicht mehr gereicht hat trotz aller Kooperation. Also 4 vorne die gut durchfahren können. Du? Mit so wenig Kraft, schlussendlich dann Null, nein, da musst eigentilch lutschen. Klar, wir warten auf dich, dann lutschst uns aus, da kommt man sich blöd vor.... nur eben, du hast uns schon vorher geholfen. Dazu ist eigentlich allen bewusst dass das GK für dich jetzt nicht sooo wichtig ist, was für dich ein Ziel sein sollte ist die Etappe. Und um da eine Chance zu haben brauchst Kraft.... also nicht fahren wäre da eindeutig besser gewesen. Villeon? Der ist speziell, war nie online und war etwas nervig dass er plötzlich on war. Gefällt mir nicht. Aber eigentlich hätte der auch irgendwann aufhören müssen, vom Sprintwert her kann er Zickl kaum schlagen ausser er ruht sich mehr aus.

Ganz schlimm war aber die Attacke als du abgehängt warst. Attacke ist im Prinzip: Ein 1 Km boost, der aber viel Kraft kostet. Du warst da 5" oder so hinten, Abfahrt grässlich dein Uruguan da, musst einfach hoffen dass wir dich aus Dank für die Hilfe mitnehmen, was dann ja auch passiert ist. Der Boost ist aber nie 5". Du greifst eh zu viel an, kürzlich auch mal, 2 deiner Fahrer sind in der Flucht, der eine greift dann an. Der ist in dem Km dann tatsächlich schneller, sagen wir mal 2". vielleicht 3". Aber dadurch dass er weniger Kraft hat ist er in den folgenden Km jeweils 1-2" langsamer. Oder sogar noch mehr. In solchen Situationen lohnen sich Angriffe einfach nciht, bist langfristig, ja sogar kurzfristig, einfach nicht ultrakurzfristig langsamer.

[Robyklebt]

AFP reports:

Mental problems for RSF manager?

From reliable sources we heard today that a certain RSF Manager from Aix en Provence, whose name we are not allowed to divulge, but lets just call him X, has had a mental breakdown. According to our sources since yesterday afternoon his behaviour has become erratic, his speach slurred. He is reported to have sat in front of the TV the whole night shouting slogans like "NON, Santillo, NON", "Gamov est un singe" "BASILE BOLI!!!!" "Materazzi, petite merde!" and "Germans stink and their beer is piss". This morning after shouting "ALLEZ OL" and "je veux Zahia" in the middle of the city he has been brought to a specialized hospital for an evaluation. The result of said evaluation is unknown, since all hospitals in the region have refused to answer our questions citing privacy laws. According to persons close to X he has been released, but has been sent by his family to the top of Mont Sainte Victoire where he will spend the next few days meditating to find is inner peace again.

Look out for further updates on this news story in the next hours.

[olmania]

I don't know him.
Really

[NoPikouze]

Me neither, but he really has a horrible taste, olympique marseille and zahia, beurk!

[Aixteam]

I don't know him .. At the beginning I though it was me but then he said " ALLEZ OL" ..

[bergwerk cycling]

Tour de France 2010 - nach dem 2. Ruhetag

Ausgangslage ist recht spannend vor der letzten Bergankunft und dem Zeitfahren am Samstag.
5 Bergfahrer noch mit Chancen zum Sieg bzw. Podest in Paris:

1 Gabriele Corvia 87 58 71 49 55 63 54 28 00:00:00 Us Lecce
2 Hannes Rinner 86 61 71 53 47 62 54 30 00:00:00 bergwerk
3 Roby Sheringham 87 56 72 53 51 56 49 27 00:00:41 Aixteam
4 Yuri Gamov 89 57 77 49 55 55 64 33 00:00:55 Petit Singe
10 Manuel Santillo 83 51 69 71 46 50 41 26 00:05:06 DJK Nilkheim

Ob am Ende die Form, das Glück, das Können, der Zufall oder die anderen Mitstreiter das Rennen für oder gegen den Einzelnen entscheiden werden, wir interessant zu beobachten sein. Auf jeden Fall ist es sehr spannend.

[Robyklebt]

Frechheit!

Also Corvia = Form
Rinner= Glück
Sheringham = Können
Gamov = Zufall
Santillo = andere Mitstreiter?

Zufall, pah, Zufall

[Aixteam]

Let's stop German

[bergwerk cycling]

sry aix .. but its very difficult for me to find the right words (but i try again)

I think rinner and santillo are the winner of the day at the tourmalet ... with a respectable gap today behind the other favos Coriva/Gamov/Sheringham.
But i think it will be a very very exciting timetrial at saturday with best chances for Rinner, Sheringham and Santillo.
Rinner with the badest form of all ... and the big ? is Santillo i think ... he is not without a chance!

1 Gabriele Corvia 87 58 71 49 55 63 54 28 00:00:00 Us Lecce
2 Hannes Rinner 86 61 71 53 47 62 54 30 00:00:03 bergwerk
3 Yuri Gamov 89 57 77 49 55 55 64 33 00:00:35 Petit Singe
4 Roby Sheringham 87 56 72 53 51 56 49 27 00:00:46 Aixteam
8 Manuel Santillo 83 51 69 71 46 50 41 26 00:05:42 DJK Nilkheim

[DJK Nilkheim]

Rinner, Santillo, Sheringham, Corvia, Gamov


that is what i expect from the TT!
maybe i am not there at the right time

[bergwerk cycling]

Rinner, Santillo, Sheringham, Corvia, Gamov


that is what i expect from the TT!
maybe i am not there at the right time

I really hope, you are right .-) ... but we will see on saturday

[Robyklebt]

Interesting. Anyway, tried to open the race somehow, didn't work, nobody wanted to let me go, bah. Right decision of course. Could and maybe should have tried something at the Soulour, but unlikely it would have worked.. .still not very happy that I didn't try.

Tourmalet... sieb by Gamov and Mandel... Santillo gone, Rinner there. Very likely that Rinner is leader, so I have the stagewin, but how strong is Mandel? No attack with GAmov if Mandel is still fairly strong... New sieb, yes alone this time, Rinner dropped, as expected, MAndelbrot even further, had the stagewin. There though big mistake by Aix, no tempo with Sheringham. Rinner gone, he lets him back. Was clear I was going to attack there, unless Aix goes in Tempo and I can just follow and attack in the end. No tempo, I go, Rinner is bakc with them. Really needed just to make tempo there.

Anyway,
Rinner. The singulations say, he has at least 5" advantage over Santillo. Maybe more, depending on Santillos form. And he has a bit more on Aix, but less 30" That's all without luck, which could make any of the 3 win. Corvia will end up 4th, Gamov 5th. Ah well, have 6 stage wins (including the 2 that KArl will get now, Bordeux and Paris! ) and a few days yellow with Duculescu.. but bah. stagewins are just not that exciting the first one important, the second one too, since that's the one I really wanted. The 2 others, of course I take them, but it's really more good for the statistics then really really exciting the ape to win. Especially since Gamov is just too strong with 89, when the other 89 is not fighting for the stages... but bah, ok, take it, was on the other end of that too, Vuelta 08, 89 + 89, fight for the GC and always dead, the other one won 4 stages, me 0 (with the climber) So ok, well, I tried to get more in the GC, just wasn't good enough.. .bah.


Cool Tour though so far, had a nice GC 5 man fight.

Good luck to the 3... mmh, now that I think of it, I heard Buh changed the rules, now 75% is the fastest, 100% the slowest, so make sure to give 75%!

[olmania]

There though big mistake by Aix, no tempo with Sheringham. Rinner gone, he lets him back. Was clear I was going to attack there, unless Aix goes in Tempo and I can just follow and attack in the end. No tempo, I go, Rinner is bakc with them. Really needed just to make tempo there.

It's right, I did 2 mistakes.
But i don't know your group, and the advantage on rinner after the sieb was not big. And I always dislike have a Corvia in my wheel, so I tried, a mistake.
After I took the Rinner's wheel in the last km ..; but nothing happens ... nothing like "can't follow rinner" ... bug ?
Whatever the situation is similar for Aix, impossible to beat Rinner on the Tourmalet, so it will be harder to beat him on the ITT for 1' !
Sorry, Aix, but I think that without those mistakes, maybe 10" better ... don't know. Good luck for the ITT, and if you loose the TDF for 10" or less you will kick my ass for the rest of the summer

[Robyklebt]

Yeah, well, who cares, just realized that there is something much more important. Gamov finally overtook Terranova in points! Lalalalalala!!!!

[DJK Nilkheim]

nothing about todays race? ok, was not that interesting...

and no predictions for tomorrow? ok, already some in there, but i expected at least some statements and so on...

Shame on you all

[Zentaron]

Todays race? Everything like expected. Nobody tried a real escape, so the sprint was never in danger. And even the sprint as expected. Okay, maybe not at all for everybody. Baumann early - clear, he was the man to profit from the fight for green. I think the only chance for Terranova was, to be in Baumanns wheel and to hope, that he wins from there and Baumann stays in front of Iatiknu, who of course was in Terranovas wheel. But to be honest, i expected something like that what happened.

Predictions for tomorrow? TV will win the tour. *muahaha*

[Aixteam]

1.Rinner
2.Sheringham
3.Santillo
4.Corvia
5.Gamov

That's what I think

[bergwerk cycling]

Todays race? Everything like expected. Nobody tried a real escape, so the sprint was never in danger. And even the sprint as expected. Okay, maybe not at all for everybody. Baumann early - clear, he was the man to profit from the fight for green. I think the only chance for Terranova was, to be in Baumanns wheel and to hope, that he wins from there and Baumann stays in front of Iatiknu, who of course was in Terranovas wheel. But to be honest, i expected something like that what happened.

Thats realy the same i thought infront of the race ... Baumann first, Terranova on his wheel and Iatiknu at last.
I think Terranovas only chance to get a few points more and to win this stage.

I am suprised that it happened not so ...


and now the next 52 km for yellow or not .... uiiiiii

[Aixteam]

1.Rinner
2.Sheringham
3.Santillo
4.Corvia
5.Gamov

That's what I think

I was quite right ... Oh my God , I won the Tour of France ..

[Bear]

congrats Aix, incredible time trial today. Bravo.

[bergwerk cycling]

GW Aix ... der traurigste Bergwerk aller Zeiten

[Bear]

Chin up bergwerk. you did a really good tour. and like this, you have a reason to continue racing

[Robyklebt]

Missed it, too bad. Must have been very exciting, according to the chat 14" in 3 Km , 7" in one... high risk for Aix in the end I guess, and worked. Ok, in the ZC they saw it differently, there it was more like 4 4 4 3... which one is right?

GW to Aix, hard for BW. And Nilkheim too. And actually Corvia as well, he rode a very good TdF with Corvia too. finally 31" back, not a lot as well. But only 1 can win in the end.