December 2019

[luques]

http://www.cycling4freaks.com/radsport/december2019.pdf

[Robyklebt]

More details in the next update. Right now not too helpful this thing...
But people who like to check stuff can check if I didn't forget any RSF classics...

One thing that is sure: We need a Christmas tour, 4 days, some sort of (really no matter how far or even imagined) connection to Christmas is nice. Whoever is first will be programmed (unless I think it's absolute complete utter shit of course)

[Pokemon Club]

No Tour in parallel of Dec Tour ?

[Gipfelstuermer]

That small tour before Christmas should maybe get 5 editions but the Christmas tour only 4 editions. Not sure why you put it the other way around. Many just won't have time for a tour around Christmas.... Last year participation 6-4-5-6-7. So 4 times probably enough.

Small tour parallel to Dec Tour? Don't like that idea in general because of low participation if you have DecTour/SmallTour/OneDayRace.... Also a bit unfair to DecTour Designer to put an attractive parallel program. Well, you decided the same for Andes, but that's more acceptable given Andes is slightly longer and an extreme tour.... Mmmh, well, DecTour can be extreme tour nowadays as well if this 4 ciudades wins.... So maybe SmallTour parallell to DecTour if an extreme DecTour wins, haha.

[Robyklebt]

No tour parallel to the Dec tour. Regardless of who wins. Like last year, we don't have the numbers for more.
4 editions for the short tour after. 2 off season classics parallel.
Christmas tour only 4... ok, possible.

[Nomorelulz]

any infos what will be the 5 days tour after dec tour?

[Robyklebt]

Sent Luques the newest proposal.

Dec tour 10-15-18-21-23
Followed directly by this 2 day 4 stages OL tour
5 day tour Windwards, Rapid Vitesse.
Both 4 Editions.
Forgot if I made the Christmas tour 4 or 5 editions.

Preview should be on soon... then check the times!

We still need somebody to design some sort of christmas Tour.

[Robyklebt]

Here a copy of the proposal, since Luques hasn't put it online yet. Complain and criticize fast, ideally it's finalized by tomorrow and I can start putting stuff online.

Harder to read than the PDF...
Christmas tour (which we don't have yet..) right now 5 times it seems, but I'd have no problem going with 4 either.
12-18-20-23 for Limon might be unpopular, but for once and a 2 day tour.... enough complaints can change of course.

Sunday 01-Dec 9-15-20-23 Volta a Miranda 1 8
Monday 02-Dec 10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
Tuesday 03-Dec 10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
Wednesday 04-Dec 10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
Thursday 05-Dec 10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9 9-16-19-22 Colombo Agampodigana 2 8
Friday 06-Dec 10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
Saturday 07-Dec 10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
Sunday 08-Dec 10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
Monday 09-Dec 10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
Tuesday 10-Dec 10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
Wednesday 11-Dec 10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9 11-14-19-22 Grand Prix de Agadir 2 8
Thursday 12-Dec 10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
Friday 13-Dec 10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
Saturday 14-Dec 10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
Sunday 15-Dec 10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
Monday 16-Dec 12-18-20-23 Giro de Limon 1 8
Tuesday 17-Dec 12-18-20-23 Giro de Limon 1 8 10-14-17-20-23 Dolisie - Point Noire 2 9
Wednesday 18-Dec 9-14-19-22 Windwards 1 8
Thursday 19-Dec 9-14-19-22 Windwards 1 8 10-15-18-21-23 Kisoro-Kabale 2 8
Friday 20-Dec 9-14-19-22 Windwards 1 8 10-16-18-20-23 Makete Kylea 2 7
Saturday 21-Dec 9-14-19-22 Windwards 1 8
Sunday 22-Dec 9-14-19-22 Windwards 1 8
Monday 23-Dec 10-15-18-21-23 Pavés de Noel 3
Tuesday 24-Dec 9-14-17-20-23 Christmas Islands GP 2 8
Wednesday 25-Dec 11-15-19-21-24 GP Bet Lehem - Nazareth 2 8
Thursday 26-Dec 10-16-18-20-22 Tour de Herne 2 8
Friday 27-Dec 9-15-18-21-23 Christmas Tour 1
Saturday 28-Dec 9-15-18-21-23 Christmas Tour 1
Sunday 29-Dec 9-15-18-21-23 Christmas Tour 1
Monday 30-Dec 9-15-18-21-23 Christmas Tour 1
Tuesday 31-Dec 12-18-24 Catania Etna 2 8 9-15-21 La Saint Sylv 2 8

[olmania]

I would really like an afternoon time for Limon, so I could ride it.
but no prob if I have to do the one day races instead (as long as they are published early enough :p )

[Robyklebt]

Hm, ok, 13-17-20-23? But since no official afternoon maybe no good.
15-18-20-23?
14-17-20-23?

[Hansa]

11-15-19-23 maybe?

im not sure if we need 18 and 20 both

[olmania]

Hm, ok, 13-17-20-23? But since no official afternoon maybe no good.
15-18-20-23?
14-17-20-23?

All are good to me.
The question is about the morning and the 18-20h as Hansa says. If there's only me motivated for afternoon, better do the morning in case there are more teams !

[Nomorelulz]

Limon: 14-17-20-23 or 10-15-19-23 imo, I guess one morning tour is needed for the morning guys and I fear 11 is too late, so probably the latter.

Dec Tour: 10-15-18-21-23, not sure if I like the times 18h bit too early, 21 bit too late imo. But thats only me I guess, would prefer 10-15-18-20-23.. but then we have the usual 18-20 problem. Depends on the length of the races for me.. Maybe 9-15-17-20-23 is an option? But 15 and 17 is too close to each other I guess for the amount of people riding then.

[Robyklebt]

Tending for 14-17-20-23 right now. While adapting the parallel 1 day classic obviously.

Morning, once every blue moon the morning can, has to miss a stage race too. Participation in the morning isn't that much higher than afternoon/early evening, 2 times that miss stage races more often. 2 day tour, IMO for once the morning can miss out on this one.

Christmas tour we have something now thanks to Hansa! But times probably 4 really is better. 9/15/19/22

[Rasmussen]

Tending for 14-17-20-23 right now. While adapting the parallel 1 day classic obviously.

Morning, once every blue moon the morning can, has to miss a stage race too. Participation in the morning isn't that much higher than afternoon/early evening, 2 times that miss stage races more often. 2 day tour, IMO for once the morning can miss out on this one.

Christmas tour we have something now thanks to Hansa! But times probably 4 really is better. 9/15/19/22

At leat 4 or 5 teams more the last tours in the morning than in the afternoon I think without looking at the numbers. So better cut the afternoon than the morning in general but if it's only once it might be okay.

[Robyklebt]

That is usually the case, cut afternoon or early evening. But doesn't always have to be like that. From time to time the morning can "suffer"too.

[Rasmussen]

That is usually the case, cut afternoon or early evening. But doesn't always have to be like that. From time to time the morning can "suffer"too.

I agree. Just wanted to say maybe the afternoon has to suffer more often.

Where can I see the Windward profiles? Cant find them.

[Robyklebt]

And the afternoon does suffer more often... that's what I said from the start!

Rapid Vitesse fantasy part for Windwards, but I will start putting stuff online today... so online too soon.

[Robyklebt]

Dec Tour: 10-15-18-21-23, not sure if I like the times 18h bit too early, 21 bit too late imo. But thats only me I guess, would prefer 10-15-18-20-23.. but then we have the usual 18-20 problem. Depends on the length of the races for me.. Maybe 9-15-17-20-23 is an option? But 15 and 17 is too close to each other I guess for the amount of people riding then.

Really difficult somehow. 17 is a rather bad time, plus 15-17 is too close, so out.
18-20. Can work. But then 23....., 21-22 is (educated guess, didn't check) the most popular generally, should get one spot.
18-20-22?
19-21-23?
Both not convincing... so unless I'll get lots of cool feedback in the next few hours (before I decide that Luques not showing up means that the updated plan is fix and start putting it online) it will be 18-21-23.... But still thinking hard....

[Rsc Spree]

i would prefer 10:00 - 15:00 - 19:00 - 22:00

[Robyklebt]

Ok, fixed, hopefully Luques will put the PDF on soon.

Starting putting stuff online like this now:

Changes from the previous hard to read info: Limon 14-17-20-23, Dolisie parallel accordingly
Christmas Tour 9-15-19-22

9-15-20-23 Volta a Miranda 1 8
10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9 9-16-19-22 Colombo Agampodigana 2 8
10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9 11-14-19-22 Grand Prix de Agadir 2 8
10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
10-15-18-21-23 December Tour 3 9
14-17-20-23 Giro de Limon 1 8
14-17-20-23 Giro de Limon 1 8 10-15-18-20-22 Dolisie - Point Noire 2 9
9-14-19-22 Windwards 1 8
9-14-19-22 Windwards 1 8 10-15-18-21-23 Kisoro-Kabale 2 8
9-14-19-22 Windwards 1 8 10-16-18-20-23 Makete Kylea 2 7
9-14-19-22 Windwards 1 8
9-14-19-22 Windwards 1 8
10-15-18-21-23 Pavés de Noel 3
9-14-17-20-23 Christmas Islands GP 2 8
11-15-19-21-24 GP Bet Lehem - Nazareth 2 8
10-16-18-20-22 Tour de Herne 2 8
9-15-19-22 Christmas Tour 1
9-15-19-22 Christmas Tour 1
9-15-19-22 Christmas Tour 1
9-15-19-22 Christmas Tour 1
12-18-24 Catania Etna 2 8 9-15-21 La Saint Sylv 2 8

[Robyklebt]

The high category races plus the pavé race on the 6th should all be in.

MIstakes likely as usual, if you find one, mention it!!!
Already found one, Makete - Kylea and Kisoro-Kabale switched... .but decided it wasn't important enough to delete and reload on the right day....
Other mistakes..?

Ah, December not there on the calendar yet, waiting for Luques on that one, check "inscription till then for form setting etc.

[Hansa]

Windwards all stages (except time trial) listed as flat, dont know if that is supposed to be or not.

[Robyklebt]

Designers choice. From Rapid's fantasy thread:

All stages (except for the ITT) count equally for the points classification too, because in the Caribbean they like to keep things simple.

[olmania]

Participations during these days tours :

Limon :
14h : 12
17h : 2
20h : 8
23h : 8

17h was probably not the best idea. Good participation in morning with no time for morning, but 17h suffered from it.
Ok for 20-23h.
if no 17h but morning instead, what happens ? if 18h instead of 17h, creates any change ?

Winwards :
9h : 12
14h : 2
19h : 12
22h : 8

Here, there's no one in the afternoon. Ideas on explanations ? Cause teams at 9-19h are not usual afternoon teams for most of them. Afternoon teams preferred the one-day races, and that's all ?