Austria 11h not unfair, just stupid

[simply]

Technal is everyday in tempo from km 0 to the end with all his team
it's a little boring ...

[claw]

word

[claw]

new day, old problem

technal destroying everybodys race

[claw]

new day, old problem

technal destroying everybodys race

again

[gaurain rx]

If It's new manager on RSF, we say that it's arranged attack and so not allowed!!! Here, what will you say buh. 6 claw in Elbs and 5 elbs (at least) in claw's wheel... Maybe 7!

Km: 196, Dénivellé: 0
Ashok Kumar (Elbcoast Riders) attaque
Ethan Mars (Claw - CVIII) s´echappe avec
James Brownham (Elbcoast Riders) attaque
Gary Moir (Claw - CVIII) s´echappe avec
Amrish Puri (Elbcoast Riders) s´echappe avec
Martin Sprick (Claw - CVIII) s´echappe avec
Kabir Bedi (Elbcoast Riders) s´echappe avec
Christian Bikon (Claw - CVIII) n´arrive pas à s´echapper avec
Steven Ireland (Elbcoast Riders) s´echappe avec
Karl Portmann (Claw - CVIII) s´echappe avec
Georg Streitberger (Elbcoast Riders) s´echappe avec
Phil McClaw (Claw - CVIII) s´echappe avec
Laurent Schimberg (Hoegaarden Team) s´echappe avec
Wesley Sneijder (Elbcoast Riders) n´arrive pas à s´echapper avec
Salim Malik (Elbcoast Riders) s´echappe avec
Magnus Elstrup (simply) s´echappe avec
Jamal Malik (Elbcoast Riders) s´echappe avec

[auxilium torino]

i don't think is arranged attack,is only a strange tour!

[gaurain rx]

i don't think is arranged attack,is only a strange tour!

Well... It's only a matter of thinking so!!

We must no more sanction such attacks on Rsf so... And maybe reintegrated the one banned or warned for such a move!

[Bear]

I think all experienced managers have something like a responsibility for a chaos-free race. It's not against the rules to take advantage of a bunch of 90% noobs. In my opinion this is not really nice towards the new teams.

[claw]

arranged??

im hanging on each of elbs guys since he attacked with much of his riders on the first stage!!
i would NEVER manipulate a race, and its even not necessary...


edit: by the way,after stage 1, i had a long discussion with elb on the zc of i think austia 20 o'clock about fainess - you maybe have seen it..
i agree much things happening in this tour were not honorable..
but what else shall i do instead of hanging on elbs riders!?
on the first stage, i made tempo in the peloton - without a sence - and thats also no solution

[simply]

Claw, i dont think you are someone unfair, i just think that Elb have too much power on you, but it's not the problem
for me the problem is this kind of thinking :
I asked to Elbcoast if he think that he did something unfair, the response was yes it was unfair, i asked "so why you did it" response (copy of the chat) :

"Elbcoast Riders: because it is allowed and I am the strongest Team in here. So I take my chance to get some points and money in this field. I study business we optimate all that we can

Some teams stopped this tour and others who begin like Team Lakers are disappointed

[Quick]

Sorry guys, i dont understand your problem. You probably saw that elb will be in your field... so you should have known before, that you won't have much fun.^^

[claw]

simply, you say guys like lakers are disappointed.. but what did he expect?
contending for tour-win without a strong team?

and you, simply, you have a strong team in the hills.. but elb is right, when he says you just hope any sprinterteam will controle in the flat.. sure, you dont have that much races, you will learn much - and in a few races, it can be a fully different situation

im the first whos angry about anything, but a loss teaches more than a gifted win..

[simply]

simply, you say guys like lakers are disappointed.. but what did he expect?
contending for tour-win without a strong team?

and you, simply, you have a strong team in the hills.. but elb is right, when he says you just hope any sprinterteam will controle in the flat.. sure, you dont have that much races, you will learn much - and in a few races, it can be a fully different situation

im the first whos angry about anything, but a loss teaches more than a gifted win..

I don't speak strictly about the race, i am not angry; like i said it's a good result for a beginner team
i speak about this mentality :
to be fair is not important, importaant in life is to win all that we can even to walk on everybody

[olmania]

but what did he expect?
contending for tour-win without a strong team?

Remember your first month of RSF ...
It was possible to have a strong team ? I was possible to do something against the big teams in a group like your austria group.
The new players are sometimes disapointed because a long time is necessary to have a strong team, but start RSF in autria tour Tour 11H, is for sure a way to loose some new players. How they can have fun ? How they can learn the good tactics ? How they can win money to continue ? How they can watch a regular fight against 5-6-? diffenrent kind of leaders, with differents teams around them ... ?

[claw]

but what did he expect?
contending for tour-win without a strong team?

Remember your first month of RSF ...
It was possible to have a strong team ? I was possible to do something against the big teams in a group like your austria group.
The new players are sometimes disapointed because a long time is necessary to have a strong team, but start RSF in autria tour Tour 11H, is for sure a way to loose some new players. How they can have fun ? How they can learn the good tactics ? How they can win money to continue ? How they can watch a regular fight against 5-6-? diffenrent kind of leaders, with differents teams around them ... ?

i agree, but tell me - what can i do? what does anybody learn about the game, when i make tempo in peloton the whole time without any real chance? and there is a technal with hardly 70 races, whos in tempo from beginning till his riders are dead..

another thing is, most of the time the "favos" are off, noone wants to ride for anything, etc - what can i do to make this a better tour? just not hanging on elb cant be the key! trying not to reach the best i can? what for? who learns something by that?

[Rockstar Inc]

best sentence in this whole thread is from bear...

I think all experienced managers have something like a responsibility for a chaos-free race

[claw]

best sentence in this whole thread is from bear...

I think all experienced managers have something like a responsibility for a chaos-free race

doesnt really help me.. like i said.. riding in peloton with no sentence is not what i'd call fair..

[NoPikouze]

True, but maybe you can talk and guide the less experienced manager, so they dont make the race in the direction Elb wanted it

But you are not really responsible for the whole group, I dont understand why you want to defend yourself so much

[claw]

True, but maybe you can talk and guide the less experienced manager, so they dont make the race in the direction Elb wanted it

But you are not really responsible for the whole group, I dont understand why you want to defend yourself so much

i think i have to defend myself, cause gaurain attacked me with "arranged attack"-charges..
im not lucky with much things which happend in this tour, but i dont see any other way for myself than the one i choose..

[gaurain rx]

True, but maybe you can talk and guide the less experienced manager, so they dont make the race in the direction Elb wanted it

But you are not really responsible for the whole group, I dont understand why you want to defend yourself so much

i think i have to defend myself, cause gaurain attacked me with "arranged attack"-charges..
im not lucky with much things which happend in this tour, but i dont see any other way for myself than the one i choose..

Ah, sorry Claw. I maybe said what I think bad. I don't "attack" you and I don't think it's an arranged attack. I just said that if it happens with new managers, all says it's an arranged attack and that it must be "forbidden" and that we should give them a warning or a fine. Here, nothing happens cause it's Elb and Claw... SO, I just say we must no more in the future avoïd such move. Rules and the sanction after must be the same for all the managers

[simply]

today, not experimented teams and just 2 connected in this group so why to don't do this :

Km: 157, Dénivellé: 5
Jamal Malik (Elbcoast Riders) attaque
Salim Malik (Elbcoast Riders) attaque
Amrish Puri (Elbcoast Riders) attaque

[Robyklebt]

Elbcoast Riders: Jamal 13 sek behind Salim and Puri 6 sek behind. No they weren´t !
garra rufa: yes they was

So same thing again. Technically correct

[gaurain rx]

Elbcoast Riders: Jamal 13 sek behind Salim and Puri 6 sek behind. No they weren´t !
garra rufa: yes they was

So same thing again. Technically correct

IT'S a teamattack for the French rules. Because of rule 3 :

Here, read it (from french) : "Ces limites ne valent pas non plus pendant les montèes de 4%" --> These limits are not valuable during a 4% hill.

But it was a 5% hill. I know in german, it's not so written so but in french, it is. I don't know if the 3 guys formed a group but if yes, it's a teammattack cause of the french rules.

Comme quoi, il n'y a pas qu'Elb qui sait faire l'abruti avec les règles.

[Robyklebt]

Non non non