Slight revision of the reset function

[Schnuggeritos]

The latest fairpaly case involving Beullenscycling has given me something to think about. This is not about the case itself, nor about the ban, it's about the (theoretical) loophole that allows a fine to be bypassed by a reset - in general!

So, to get away from the case itself, let's just imagine the following situation: For whatever reason, a team is hit with a hefty fine and decides to take a break and this team would end up in Division 6 after a few months. When the manager decides to comes back and finds an unsatisfactory situation because the value of the drivers + cash is less than 20 million C4F$.
What is the easy way to get back to 20 Million? A reset. In today's game this is possible and like this the manager did not receive a penalty. The only thing that remains is an entry for the FPC for future cases.

I have two suggestions to close that loophole. A good, a bad and an ugly one.



The good one:
A team that has not participated in and completed at least 20 races since its last penalty, will receive a weaker version of the reset. Instead of 20 million, it will only be 15 million.

The bad one:
A team that has not participated in and completed at least 20 races since its last penalty, will not get any Penny from the reset but a Auto-Team (9 cyclists) for max. 15 Million c4f $ and no rider with max. values (to be defined).

The ugly one:
Reset only possible if cash is < 10 Million. You get 10 Million only by resetting your team because you received a penalty and you have to live with the consequences of your actions!

Whether this is in everyone's best interests and whether it can be easily implemented technically is another matter.

[Gipfelstuermer]

Not sure I understand the problem.

Beullens team value currently is 28 million. Before the fine it was a bit more. So if now he just leaves the game and one day he comes back and resets with 20 million, he has 8 million less than today.

[Chemnitz Pro Cycling Team]

Not sure I understand the problem.

Beullens team value currently is 28 million. Before the fine it was a bit more. So if now he just leaves the game and one day he comes back and resets with 20 million, he has 8 million less than today.

But what, if not? It's not about him, but about other teams and possible cases. Resetting is way too easy at the moment.

[bergwerk cycling]

Does this actually happen, or is it more of a theoretical exercise?

If this were to happen more often, would it be enough to simply deduct the last penalty after the reset and that would be it?

[team fl]

First things first: Thanks Schnuggeritos for your thoughts. Always interesting to discuss this kind of stuff with the community.

I am getting a bit theoretical here:

The goal of a penatly is prevention and retribution.

Prevention:
- The penalty should lead to a change of behaviour towards abiding the given rules (amendment).
- The penalty should prevent others from violating the given rules (deterrence)
- A bit more abstract: protection of the game and/or its community (general prevention)

Retribution:
- Compensation for the damage caused in order to restore "justice" that was disrupted by the violation of rules (repression)
- Restoring the balance between offender and and the game and/or affected player(s).(atonement)

Is that goal at risk with a possible reset in a situation as presented by Schnuggeritos?

For a reset, you have to be in Div. 6 (and have to meet other criteria). That means that the player either already was in Div. 6 or has either to stop playing or play an enough little number of races to go down to Div. 6. Which would take some time I guess. And the player needs to be in a better position after the reset than before. Otherwise it doesn't make sense.

I think that somebody who does such an elaborate scheme to circumvent a penatly is out of any category of prevention in the first place. Then, it would just be about retribution. The steps needed to be able to reset look like a temporary ban of sorts already (en bloc or at least by not being able to ride often). For me, that's enough of retribution already. But this threshold is subjective for everybody I guess.

What's the situation such a behaviour makes sense?

I simply cannot think of a case in which this would make sense (for me). The penalty would have to be so high, that the finances would fall under 20 Mio. (Money and Riders) and/or you want to start with new riders (less than 20 Mio. after selling the riders) and you're willing to play in a way (or not to play) to fall to Div. 6 to be able to reset. The only teams I can think of would profit from this are new teams or comebackers that are in Div. 6. And even then, if they continue their behaviour, they are only able to reset after 15 days after their last reset. Not to speak of the increasing penalty for repeated violations of the rules in a short time...

Long story short:

I just don't think that this "loophole" offers enough incentive to be exploited or that we need a solution for it. But as bergwerk pointed out: if it becomes a habit, we need to go back to this thread.

[drei.zehn]

The way a reset is possible at the moment. At least How I understand it, is no points or races for a full month. Cause it’s just possible in div6 as far as I remember

So fastest way is to sell full team and don’t ride from first to last day of a month (can switch it).

So that’s always 28 days at least and even more than your suggested 20 days of no participation. If you want to keep your riders its at least 2 month before they loose all points and you will get relegated to div6