The Race Editor

[cataracs]

When I "reopen" a race that was gone to planned, I can't do anything with it, it goes to "design" then I'll need the designer to put it on "review" again to be able to put it on planned? can we skip the whole "review" part please? It's a completely useless step.

[cataracs]

Can something be done about this? Or do I have to message the desgineror Gip everytime I want to change something?

[Robyklebt]

Wouldn't skip the whole "review" thing, it shows the guy putting races online that the design is finished. Also it's protection against vandalism by other users, we did have a guy deleting races in the past, who says he or somebody else won't start serial vandalism on races from users he doesn't like next time he blows a fuse? If I remember correctly in design mode everybody can edit a race, in review only the designer and calendar planners, right?

Letting the calendar planners have the power to do that step, from design to review would solve the issue you have right now. I'm for it.

[cataracs]

Couple of things bother me, both as a designer and as a planner. Maybe the new race designers didn't know how good the old editor was and can't complain about this new one...The main problem is the going back and forth betwween the profile and race editor. That's very unnecessary. As it is it's way more complicated than it should be.

Desginers should only do the race in one place. Create the profile and that's it. It's up to the calendar guys to create the race.

My suggestions:

ProfileCode: Because it can't be changed, someone can forget to change it before saving the first time and you get stuck with something like "a12_2025_22419826". So this should be changeable.

Status: not needed most likely? it's just more clicks for no reason.

Project: not needed aswell?

Name: Why is it there if we can't use it? That's where the race should be named, please make it usable.

Description: Ok nothing to change abot it

Designer: If somehow the designer name can be saved instead of the team name, it could be cool to not have to change it everytime.

Altitude Start: OK

Profile Picture: OK

Country: OK



Status: should be changed to mintact

Add where to mention the race type, that includes all race types.

Add a case for the number of riders

Project: should be used to mention the name of the tour, if it's a tour.(for the planner to know)

Move the "stage type" and "race type" from the race editor to here, for half stages and such.


That's imo how race design should be made, no need to go somewhere else to put other infos.




Race editor, only for admins. You upload by profile code and all the infos are added, inclluded number of riders, name and mintact. You just choose the event if there's one, rulesets then the times and editions.

[cataracs]

Wouldn't skip the whole "review" thing, it shows the guy putting races online that the design is finished. Also it's protection against vandalism by other users, we did have a guy deleting races in the past, who says he or somebody else won't start serial vandalism on races from users he doesn't like next time he blows a fuse? If I remember correctly in design mode everybody can edit a race, in review only the designer and calendar planners, right?

Letting the calendar planners have the power to do that step, from design to review would solve the issue you have right now. I'm for it.

Delete this please. Support my proposals...


Tbh my suggestions should be sent to Alk and applied directly, no need to go through the community..

[Robyklebt]

No no, no deletions! After all I support keeping the review!

Support your proposals? First go read mine! (I'll pass, don't have time to read that shit right now) Then see if I do support your proposals or not. I'll re-read it again in a while too.... then maybe post some support here!

viewtopic.php?f=66&t=9765

Tbh my suggestions should be sent to Alk and applied directly, no need to go through the community..

Going through the community is good because maybe I had a proposal that is better than yours, maybe you have a proposal that is better than mine, maybe somebody else has a proposal that is better than what either of us can come up with (well, that is unlikely of course)

[cataracs]

No no, no deletions! After all I support keeping the review!

Support your proposals? First go read mine! (I'll pass, don't have time to read that shit right now) Then see if I do support your proposals or not. I'll re-read it again in a while too.... then maybe post some support here!

viewtopic.php?f=66&t=9765

Tbh my suggestions should be sent to Alk and applied directly, no need to go through the community..

Going through the community is good because maybe I had a proposal that is better than yours, maybe you have a proposal that is better than mine, maybe somebody else has a proposal that is better than what either of us can come up with (well, that is unlikely of course)

I know about your thread but I decided to ignore it, because I'm convinced, the editor should be the way I just wrote.(mostly how the old editor was)

[Robyklebt]

I join this thread again. Agree with quite a few things, but not all.

In general: For 1 day races, all in one place really should be the way to go. As a non-programmer I don't see any programming problems either, at first sight there's nothing in the race editor that couldn't be done with the same result in the profile editor?

Disagree on the following:

Status: not needed most likely? it's just more clicks for no reason.

Mentioned there again, ok, could be cut, but doesn't bother me much either, but would keep the design-review thing. Apart from the vandalism issue, it shows the calendar gods when a race is finished as well.

Project: not needed aswell?

That seems ok to me to have. Or good. Gipfel for example seems perennially confused when a fantasy race has an Italian city name. See Reggio Emilia (2 g!) (and Emilia is the region, so not really even the same) or Brescia. IMO good to show what the design is, fantasy or real race.

Other stuff:

I restart at the beginning:

For one day races no need for 2 places, all in one! Add mintact, number of riders, date and time, event, and all the other things to the profile thing. Maybe rename "profile editor" to "1 day race" and "Race editor" to "stage race".

Then:
- Add "insert partial GPX" or a more sensible name. To add a GPX file without deleting what's already there. The 3 blue things on top, add it there.

- Make it less clicky Direct input! Right now to change the Paterberg from 2 to 7** it takes....click. move the mouse to the right click, delete, enter 7, move the mouse down, click, chose the cobble difficulty, click, move the mouse down, click, enter "Paterberg". Move the mouse up, click OK next. That's 6 clicks. endless mouse movements. It could be done more easily. click. delete 2, enter 7xx, tab, tab, enter "Paterberg". Basically like it used to be in the old editor, yes.
Same for the date and time all this clicking.... (now in race editor, move together)

New things:

-Show suspect % Now the editor works on altitude, not altitude difference. So in extreme cases we could have 10 km of up one meter down one meter, that come out as + 1 -1 +1 -1 +1 -1 +1 -1 +1. Show that with colors on the left somewhere. Like mark it in the km column, red if the deviation is big, yellow if it's small, nothing if it's ok. Then designers can see fast where there might be a problem. Click (ok, make it clicky) on it to make the mark disappear forever in that race. (but for mistaken clicks make a "coloring reset" possible somewhere)

- Add interviews. As much as I look forward to SPIH 09!.... maybe at times some other interviews might be ok. Let the designer add 1 winner interview, max 2 pre race interviews. Not easy to come up with good question, I know, but if it's left blank we still get a standard interview.


As for Stage races: Click on "Race Editor" (then named stage race) start from there, click somehwere and you land in the "profile editor" (exactly the same as the "1 day race editor" with a different name...there all the same. In the stage race editor you just give the name of the stage race, the comment for the stage race, ok, the time and event (so the profile editor not exactly the same) etc. Half stages etc. The stage race relevant stuff is on the "Race Editor" thing, stage stuff in the profile editor.
Add interviews for the GC, other jerseys.
IMO add a bonification part too. So for races with all the same bonifications, regardless of what kind of stage, you can do it there. For fantasy races you can do your own thing. Not sure where the UCI stands on bonifications nowadays, but in the past at the Giro some years the stage winner got 30" I think? Or just 20" ?

Ah, right now profiles that were done a while ago, aren't shown as pictures in the forum anymore.. why?

[Alkworld]

Can something be done about this? Or do I have to message the desgineror Gip everytime I want to change something?

One thing that's missing (I think) is that the non-admin calendar planner (i.e. Taka) can update everything in the race editor. The previous calendar planners were anyway full admins, so they had more privileges.

When I "reopen" a race that was gone to planned, I can't do anything with it, it goes to "design" then I'll need the designer to put it on "review" again to be able to put it on planned? can we skip the whole "review" part please? It's a completely useless step.

The original idea was the following:
- Design: only the designer can touch it
- Review: once the designer is ready, someone else (other designers) checks the race
- Approved: can be used in a race (also by other designers)

Now I could do two things:
- skip the Review step
- allow the calendar planners to do pretty much anything in the race editor (see above, missing feature)

[Alkworld]

Wouldn't skip the whole "review" thing, it shows the guy putting races online that the design is finished. Also it's protection against vandalism by other users, we did have a guy deleting races in the past, who says he or somebody else won't start serial vandalism on races from users he doesn't like next time he blows a fuse? If I remember correctly in design mode everybody can edit a race, in review only the designer and calendar planners, right?

OK, I might have to check again what I implemented there (see my previous post), but good point.

Letting the calendar planners have the power to do that step, from design to review would solve the issue you have right now. I'm for it.

Maybe I can also add a button in the race tab to approve all profiles, usable by the calendar planner only, then it's at least easier to handle ...

[Robyklebt]

I got a few things wrong though.

Thought in "design" everybody can access the profile and change. Tried a few races by others, couldn't. And in review neither.
Hm, but thought it is possible for others to access other people's races at some stage? Review calendar guys can... pretty sure. But thought at some stage others can too.
Also didn't know approved was still a thing.. ok, maybe Gipfel and AAD put stuff online directly from review while Taka can't and has to approve things? Few of my old races are approved...

Will have to re-read the original post when all was implemented.. but not today. Should have been in bed 2 hours ago...