Bug or feature andes 22h

[QuickSprint]

Hello, I am making this topic because of what happened today at andes 22h.

To explain at km 187 my rider Karim Moussa with worse stats trys to follow Raymond Werdel. Here I know not the smartest but I thought that if I couldnt follow (thought maybe I could because pave wasnt that different ofc there is hill but still wanted to try) I would lose 10/15seconds because I had same energy as them I had 650, and they said they had also 650 and form, I will just say it because I dont care anymore about the tour because this thing ruined it, so I had 100 form. But I ended up losing TWO minutes. Is this a bug or is working as intended? If its intended could you explain how 83 mountain 52.6 pave 650 energy and 100 form loses TWO MINUTES in one killometer vs the other climbers? I also saw that RadioShanks with his climber had the same issue but I dont know his energy and form, but even then losing 2 minutes on a kilometer because you cant follow makes no sense.

I will leave the race log as ATB adviced me to do so.

Km: 188, Steigung: 11, Meters left: 450

Pedro Alfaro (escartinos) attackiert

Alex Highsmith (RSV Gera) attackiert

Santiago Hernandez (Team Dontodeep) attackiert

Pascal Madouas (RadioShanks) geht mit

Zacharias Fischer (RACPTeam) schafft es nicht auszureissen

Jordan Haynes (RadioShanks) attackiert

Josette Lebrun (Team Dontodeep) attackiert

Maximino Arciniega (ATB - Racing) attackiert

Carlos Ortiz (escartinos) attackiert

Amadeu Capitãodoporto (ATB - Racing) attackiert

Raymond Werdel (Team Dontodeep) attackiert

Amadeu Capitãodoporto(ATB - Racing) findet kein Hinterrad

Maximino Arciniega(ATB - Racing) findet kein Hinterrad

Troy Polamalu(RSV Gera) findet kein Hinterrad

TrentJordan Watt(RSV Gera) findet kein Hinterrad

Walter Kiaboc (waerl) kann nicht mithalten

Zacharias Fischer (RACPTeam) kann nicht mithalten

Stefan Effenberg (waerl) laesst sich zurueckfallen

Johan Quoidbach (waerl) schafft es nicht an die Spitze

Jef Evendoelt (pinte pakkers) schafft es nicht an die Spitze

Zacharias Fischer (RACPTeam) schafft es nicht an die Spitze



Km: 187, Steigung: 13, Kopfsteinpflaster: 1*

Amogelang Tshabalala (ATB - Racing) schafft es nicht auszureissen

Santiago Hernandez (Team Dontodeep) attackiert

Pascal Madouas (RadioShanks) geht mit

Tayé Wedebiwana (ATB - Racing) attackiert

Zacharias Fischer (RACPTeam) schafft es nicht mitzugehen

Troy Polamalu (RSV Gera) attackiert

Maximino Arciniega (ATB - Racing) attackiert

Ojir Horal (pinte pakkers) attackiert

Amadeu Capitãodoporto (ATB - Racing) attackiert

Raymond Werdel (Team Dontodeep) attackiert

Jordan Haynes (RadioShanks) schafft es nicht mitzugehen

Karim Moussa (RACPTeam) schafft es nicht mitzugehen

Josette Lebrun (Team Dontodeep) attackiert

Carlos Ortiz (escartinos) attackiert

Alain Hinger (Team Dontodeep) kann nicht mithalten

Walter Kiaboc (waerl) kann nicht mithalten

Stefan Effenberg (waerl) laesst sich zurueckfallen

Johan Quoidbach (waerl) schafft es nicht an die Spitze

Jef Evendoelt (pinte pakkers) schafft es nicht an die Spitze



Km: 186, Steigung: 7, Kopfsteinpflaster: 1*

Johan Quoidbach (waerl) schafft es nicht an die Spitze

Jef Evendoelt (pinte pakkers) schafft es nicht an die Spitze

Walter Kiaboc (waerl) schafft es nicht an die Spitze

Ojir Horal (pinte pakkers) schafft es nicht an die Spitze

Josette Lebrun (Team Dontodeep) schafft es nicht an die Spitze

[schappy]

First of all, its a 13% with pave, there i more time to gain then in flat parts.

I have a Question. Do you make Tempo?
If not, the guy dont make tempo, he see he can not follow the guy he try and then he waits this km for new introductions. Thats the Game. Its not the realistics part of this, but if you dont want to risk losing time, ride at this km or attack on yourself.

[RadioShanks]

There was a guy in tempo, an 80 Mountain if i remember good. Even my Haynes (87 in Mountain) lost 2 min. This couldn’t be the normal game, this is a bug guys…

[schappy]

The guys in your chat says you didnt block, so it seems nobody who didnt attack was in Tempo. So 2 Minutes ist possible, and doing nothing is not right, he los only 2 minutes on this steep km, soyour guy was riding a little tempo, but not really high. So it isnt a Bug, it is something the game want to be, or the old god of this game doing this. It isnt something special or a bu, maybe bad programming, but not a bug.

I will be good, if theres is a tactic like: Try to follow, if you can not, make tempo.

But this options isnt here.

[flockmastoR]

There was a guy in tempo, an 80 Mountain if i remember good. Even my Haynes (87 in Mountain) lost 2 min. This couldn’t be the normal game, this is a bug guys…

Not really easy to reconstruct what happened. Unfortunately, the replay for those late evening races isn't available very long (can be available longer for the new version Alk is currently working on).

I just see one 80 mountain guy in your group and that one landed in front of you, so I expect he did an earlier attack.
For me it looks like a non tempo km with a red attack of climbers at 13*, just forget about the * for a moment, this gap is realistic. Had some non tempo km during the Giro 2022 with about 2min loss to a climber riding tempo in a group ahead here
and a 1:30 min loss to a green attack of some 80climb guys here on a +11 without tempo.

So for me, it really doesn't look like a bug at all (given there was noone in tempo, which I cannot verify or disprove)

[QuickSprint]

Hey, yeah my climber and Radio´s climber were not in tempo. I just thought that when a rider fails to follow he would still fight to follow it even thought losing time, obviously. Now I understand how the game works. Doesnt make sense but it is a game in the end of the day. Unlucky I learned it on a 16 day tour.