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To me money at Intermediate Sprints for 1-day race is really a disaster.

Am the legitim person to speak about this problem as I was in the begining the kind of guy sprinting in a group, doing farmer yes alone tempo just to catch some money...

Money at IS for sure incite people to escape but is also killing groups as there is always a noob to sprint

I propose to simply remove it !

100% agree with you!

100% disagree.


#MoneyBitch

races like today just doesnt need to exist, only sm could make a race with that mutch gpms or IS

100% agree.
at least: maximum gpm and IS .... hm lets say 3 or something.

I agree with ATB, a limit would be ok.

But I still think that every designer should know that a race with 10GPMs/IS or more can cause big problems

GPM and IS, in my opinion in short races must be placed for two reasons:

1) Assuring that someone is motivated to go in a escape, especially in those groups or races where you know there will be a ms.
2) Putting them in "special places", to incentivate some attacks

Too many makes all people want to enter escape and a big chaos

I am against the idea. I often escape where there is money to gain during the race. If not this i would probably escape very rarely(mainly on pure flat and hill races it will be sensless, escape during such a profiles succed very, very rarely, so sometimes i ride to gain some money).

Some real races have lots of gpm or SI, what to do with these ones ? I guess we should leave them, in fact, in minor races, some teams/riders, fight for prices and the race does not look like : escape of riders no fighting for prices 10' in front of peloton.

Then fantasy races; most of the races have a normal amount of GPM and IS, maybe leso should write something that races like yesterday will not be in calendar, so designers of fantasy races won't design fun races with a crazy amount of money on the way.

I agree with SM on this topic. The designer should be the one to pay out the money for intermediates and GPMs in races like this.

yep could have put less GPM, but I did a 8km track with a cat 4 at the mountain and copying the lap more than 10 times, was a bit lazy sorry ^^

just 1 time in a month isn't a big problem I think

Not talking about the money-problem (too much money in the game, which leads to inflation, unemployment, crisis and death and worse and worse...)


A race with no money = very few attackers.
A race with a lot of money = a lot of attackers, harder control, and more "fun"

Conclusion: give a fine to everyone and send me their money

Give points instead of money at the gpm's

cataracs wrote:Give points instead of money at the gpm's

Points for ?

olmania wrote:

cataracs wrote:Give points instead of money at the gpm's

Points for ?

keep the attackers and the fun , without giving too much money..all that to make nopik happy

I meant, which points ?
Eternal points ? That would be even worse I guess

Reup this topic after seeing what happen today at Isbergues 15h...

Many IS and GPMs, all people attacked resulting in the race a completely s**t

Not realistic, not even fair seen that there were at least two team attacks (don't know what happen after if they drop but surely created confusion)...

Seems that rsf managers can't handle a race when they see too many intermediates so don't give them... or at least for 1day races give something like 100$ at intermediate...

I bactually see no problem with it...
Race decided by a huge escape, why not? Of course doesn't change the fact that SM is horrible at designing, no matter if he puts intermediates or not in his fantasy creations

luques wrote:Reup this topic after seeing what happen today at Isbergues 15h...

Many IS and GPMs, all people attacked resulting in the race a completely s**t

Not realistic, not even fair seen that there were at least two team attacks (don't know what happen after if they drop but surely created confusion)...

Seems that rsf managers can't handle a race when they see too many intermediates so don't give them... or at least for 1day races give something like 100$ at intermediate...

So the reality isn't realistic ? Hum...I should to have a big reflexion about it !

Poor SM

Simply i don't think it is realistic, and i like this game to be more realistic as possible.

One thing is if we decide to attack to weaken the leader/ the best team etc...

Another thing is if there is a mass attack only to take money, which doesn't seem realistic to me because in a real race is hard that it happens, if you put 5 intermediate today probably the attack would have been of 6-7 riders, the aim was to make money not to weaken strong players in my opinion.

What was the proposal there?

Surely we can't eliminate GPM or IS because we would be unrealistic, but allowing only cat 3 and 4 gpm at fantasy races seems a step forward for me, or decrease the money for a GPM in general (but more easy the first)...

The concept is to compensate better who wins the race instead of who gets the intermediates, i mean in a real race you go for win you have sponsors that ask results, they don't want money from intermediates they want results. Here instead, there is not a sponsor thing, so why should i kill my team for a cat2 race when there are 100k or more bonus in the road; you can say that this is only a money maker thinking, but seems the majority here.

luques wrote:Poor SM

Simply i don't think it is realistic, and i like this game to be more realistic as possible.

One thing is if we decide to attack to weaken the leader/ the best team etc...

Another thing is if there is a mass attack only to take money, which doesn't seem realistic to me because in a real race is hard that it happens, if you put 5 intermediate today probably the attack would have been of 6-7 riders, the aim was to make money not to weaken strong players in my opinion.

What was the proposal there?

Surely we can't eliminate GPM or IS because we would be unrealistic, but allowing only cat 3 and 4 gpm at fantasy races seems a step forward for me, or decrease the money for a GPM in general (but more easy the first)...

The concept is to compensate better who wins the race instead of who gets the intermediates, i mean in a real race you go for win you have sponsors that ask results, they don't want money from intermediates they want results. Here instead, there is not a sponsor thing, so why should i kill my team for a cat2 race when there are 100k or more bonus in the road; you can say that this is only a money maker thinking, but seems the majority here.

If you want to remove money from IS. Change whole system of earning money. Because current system is more unrealistic than money on IS(actually IS have money prizes in real life)

Radomiak wrote:

luques wrote:Poor SM

Simply i don't think it is realistic, and i like this game to be more realistic as possible.

One thing is if we decide to attack to weaken the leader/ the best team etc...

Another thing is if there is a mass attack only to take money, which doesn't seem realistic to me because in a real race is hard that it happens, if you put 5 intermediate today probably the attack would have been of 6-7 riders, the aim was to make money not to weaken strong players in my opinion.

What was the proposal there?

Surely we can't eliminate GPM or IS because we would be unrealistic, but allowing only cat 3 and 4 gpm at fantasy races seems a step forward for me, or decrease the money for a GPM in general (but more easy the first)...

The concept is to compensate better who wins the race instead of who gets the intermediates, i mean in a real race you go for win you have sponsors that ask results, they don't want money from intermediates they want results. Here instead, there is not a sponsor thing, so why should i kill my team for a cat2 race when there are 100k or more bonus in the road; you can say that this is only a money maker thinking, but seems the majority here.

If you want to remove money from IS. Change whole system of earning money. Because current system is more unrealistic than money on IS(actually IS have money prizes in real life)

Wasn't written this, never wrote to remove money from IS as it is one thing i don't consider realistic. At most to give less money in case there are many.

My point was that there are less realistic things which you dont want to change, or at least you have never said you want to change it. Also i think it would be better to rise prizes for IS. More teams would fight for it which would make some races more fun and lively

PS. MS = the best designer ever.

Pokemon Club wrote:

So the reality isn't realistic ? Hum...I should to have a big reflexion about it !

The intermediates themselves are realistic, the money for intermediates is not. I'm pretty sure that you won't get 50% of the prize money of the race winner for winning all intermediates. You may get a handshake and some flowers instead.

Alkworld wrote:

Pokemon Club wrote:

So the reality isn't realistic ? Hum...I should to have a big reflexion about it !

The intermediates themselves are realistic, the money for intermediates is not. I'm pretty sure that you won't get 50% of the prize money of the race winner for winning all intermediates. You may get a handshake and some flowers instead.

The comparason between RSF and reality about money is senseless for my eyes but well...

I can't find nothing aabout GP Isbergues prize money so I looks for Tour de Vendée which is on October. In the race there is 10 intermediates (6 riders take it), at each intermediates the 1st win 600 euros, so a rider can win 6.000 euros just with intermediates, when the winner of the race win only 7.515 euros, the 2nd 3.760e and the 3rd 1.875e .
On RSF ? The guy who takes all intermediates will win 10 x 6k so 60k, when the winner win 120k, the 2nd 70k and the 3rd 50k.
So okay, I am agree, looks unrealistic, they are not enough money on intermediates sprint (or too much at the finish, depend how you take it) !!

http://www.tourdevendee.fr/la-course/dotations

Pokemon Club wrote:

Alkworld wrote:

Pokemon Club wrote:

So the reality isn't realistic ? Hum...I should to have a big reflexion about it !

The intermediates themselves are realistic, the money for intermediates is not. I'm pretty sure that you won't get 50% of the prize money of the race winner for winning all intermediates. You may get a handshake and some flowers instead.

The comparason between RSF and reality about money is senseless for my eyes but well...

I can't find nothing aabout GP Isbergues prize money so I looks for Tour de Vendée which is on October. In the race there is 10 intermediates (6 riders take it), at each intermediates the 1st win 600 euros, so a rider can win 6.000 euros just with intermediates, when the winner of the race win only 7.515 euros, the 2nd 3.760e and the 3rd 1.875e .
On RSF ? The guy who takes all intermediates will win 10 x 6k so 60k, when the winner win 120k, the 2nd 70k and the 3rd 50k.
So okay, I am agree, looks unrealistic, they are not enough money on intermediates sprint (or too much at the finish, depend how you take it) !!

http://www.tourdevendee.fr/la-course/dotations

I perfectly know it poke, also GP of Prato looks similar; what's the difference? The guy who wins has also sponsor prizes + bonus prizes in many races + popularity for the team which brings new money etc...

Who wins the GPM get that money and STOP! Do you remind the GPM winners or the winner of the race? Where people will invest more money on the winner or on the GPM winner?

In RSF we don't have such a popoularity/sponsor feature, you don't even get money when you go to the higher category, for this i tell give more money to the winner to compensate the lack of other earnings except the one of the race. Other earnings that in real life exist and are connected to the victory.