Re: Team sizes
Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:59 pm
You have your decision, just look at the next races... 8 8 8 8 8 8 8. Not happy with it... but now give me my money back. Way more important to me - 345k startingmoney.
Ok. We have the 4th January, but this may be already the joke of the year. Remember MSR 2010 - 8riders!! I won't believe you, till we rode the last classical race... because at MSR we weren't even "used to it".lesossies wrote:
For the most important Tour, 9 is a must.
For the most important Classics, too.
This Quick Asks (and all the others) shows well that Nothing has been discussed here, really nothing... No need to do a topic next time, it would make the things easier and faster. Change the things but don't ask the community's feeling about it or the way we can adapt the change to the gameQuick wrote:Ok. We have the 4th January, but this may be already the joke of the year. Remember MSR 2010 - 8riders!! I won't believe you, till we rode the last classical race... because at MSR we weren't even "used to it".lesossies wrote:
For the most important Tour, 9 is a must.
For the most important Classics, too.
And other thing you haven't answered: I really demand my 345k startmoney. What about that?
Hehehehe, you turn something around. Noone asked us if we want to ride with 8 riders... especially MSR 2010. It just was the joke of the year...after 2009's joke the vuelta-times weren't that funny as he maybe thought...gaurain rx wrote:
...No need to do a topic next time, it would make the things easier and faster. Change the things but don't ask the community's feeling about it or the way we can adapt the change to the game
No it's not. Absolutely most definetly not a good standard. There is no good standard for fantasy races. There should be NO standard for fantasy races.lesossies wrote:8 men for fantasy one-day-races is a good standard but could be adapted to the races.
Why 6-9? 4-10 I say. And I requote myself and more importantly the UCI.lesossies wrote:I´ll adapt the race editor in the way that the designer can decide how much riders have to start (6-9 I think).
If the goal is reality how do we come up with the irreal number 6-9? What happens if a race has 10 starters in reality? You have to do it manually? Makes no sense. Put in 4-10. And let that option for fantasy races too. As now, you will decide which races you put in the calendar, you still have control over what fantasy races you put in, how many starters are programmed. Obviously putting in 10 races with 10 starters a month not the best idea... but if there is one from time to time doesn't kill anybody.2.2.003 The number of titular riders per team shall be set at 4 minimum and 10 maximum. The organiser
shall indicate in the programme or technical guide and on the entry form the maximum number for
his race. That number shall be the same for all teams. No account shall be taken of any riders
entered in excess of that number.
If the maximum number of riders per team is 4, 5 or 6, no team may take the start with less than
4 riders. If the maximum number of riders per team is 7 or 8, no team may take the start with less
than 5 riders. If the maximum number of riders per team is 9 or 10, no team may take the start
with less than 6 riders.
In the UCI ProTour events, the number of riders per team is 8. However, subject to prior permission
by the UCI ProTour council, the organiser may fix the number of riders per team at 7. The organiser
shall request the permission of the UCI ProTour council on or before 1st January of the year of the
event.
For the WE 1 races, the number of riders per team is set at 6. However, subject to prior approval by
the Road Commission, the organiser can set the number of riders per team at 8 for WE 2.1 races.
Real races. that's the interesting part.lesossies wrote: For the most important Tour, 9 is a must.
For the most important Classics, too.
Quote from the January thread. There you're doing exactly, what you said you didn't want to do.Tour Down Under light tour + short stages real 7 riders -> RSF => 8 riders Times: 10,15,18,20,22
Langkawi Tour real 6 -> RSF => 7 or 8 riders ? Times: 12;17;21 or 13;19;23 or something like that I´m not sure...
So make a proposal for a rule. Not a rule for Langkawi, one for Australia etc. Or a rule... even though I'd prefer just a proposal seeing what rule you seem think is good for fantasy races...I´ll prefer a concrete rule for all races than a solution/discussion for every race .
We had an unfixed trial period, it's in and it stays. Of course not many opinions were offered towards the end of December (which could kind of be assumed to be the end of the trial period, even if it was never said), still... why have a "trial" if it turns out not to be really one? But ok, seems to be in, make a sensible rule at least.Then forget an unfixed trial period. That basically would mean it's in and stays. Leso says a date when he wants opinions in here, Jan 1, feb 1, whatever, then of course the cases like monuments 8-9 will be discussed, in 2-3 month we should all get more experience with 7-8-9 tours, 4-10 one day races to have a more informed opinion than now.
Mmh, looks rather complicated actually, since the rule seems to be 9. Sometimes 8. But ok, finally I was for more 9, so not unhappy with the rule. Even if the temptation of some more 8 is there, reality, even if the result in the race is rather the opposite than that, but ok.Maybe we could adapt my preselection now or later in the year and generalize it to special rules.
nobody can control a race with 9 riders - if he can, then it is because the other teams are not riding for the win, they ride as effective as possible for money. that´s the problem. not the size of the team. a lot of teams are just riding without spending a lot of energy (for being able to race tomorrow again) and take some places in the end, that bring more money than being first and having the whole team killed for controling the race.Goals:
- Making the team sizes adequate to the race. The organizers design their races in the awareness of the expected number of riders per team. Doing every race with 9 riders disobeys the real character of the races. They become more controlled than needful.