Stupid post, after all you yourself already came up with a very brilliant idea in this thread:luques wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:08 pmAs for me both solutions have their pro and con.Gipfelstuermer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:27 pmOne more thing which is more a question of RSF principles or philosophy: Do we prefer 2 parallel tours with 2-3 editions each or do we prefer 1 tour with 5 editions? What makes managers happier?
Like with Alps and Croatia, managers will complain "I want to ride Alps, but I only have time in the afternoon!" or "I want to ride Croatia but I only have time in the morning!". Would it be better to only have Alps? Managers would complain "Why is there only Alps? I can't ride it with my sprinter team."
Would be interesting to hear your opinion.
For the solution 1 tour 5 editions, the pro usually is the partecipation while the con is the lack of different tours, there isn't much variety.
For the other solution (which is the one used at the moment) pro and con are reversed, more type of races, less players per race.
What is preferred by managers of rsf? Hard to say. I think the second one, truth is that I rarely found managers in a 3 teams tour complaining, most of the time were other people not playing it complaining about it. While the players were perfectly fine with it.
Instead, many were complaining about "only climber tours" or "why we are not playing all the calendar".
And yes one problem can be "why that tour is not at this hour" but with the forum and pdf uploaded so early I hope most of the people will express their opinion soon enough.
Probably something on the system part should be made also to really set a difference between tours (yes there is a difference of points, but what is the real advantage to get points?).
Anyway open to read some new ideas if someone has.
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CC (Cycling Circle, Circle Cycle, difficult name) forbid me to post in that thread, so I have to make a new one.
The great Luques-idea:
Donkeyposal:luques wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:46 pmActually the idea I like really much is changing the prize money. Take for example Fourmies, the winner gets 120k. Heidelberg Pokal the winner gets... 120k.
I know that points are different, but honestly nobody cares about them (being div1 champ is almost useless except for palmares). What counts more is money to be able to have a good team that can compete in top races.
My idea? Do that the winner of PR gets 200k and the winner of a fantasy race 60k. The good things I see are:
1) No more crazy teams for a mountain/hilly low cat tour or race. The same could actually be obtained by changing the amount that the sponsor covers based on race categories.
2) Best teams will tend to play the most important races, letting little teams the rest.
Probably there are other ways to achieve this but I think it is really something we should tend to. I mean, div1 teams that play most important races, for example in this period not Alberta but Vuelta or Fourmies + Bruxelles + Montreal etc.. and little teams trying to emerge in low cat races.
One day races:
Cat 1: 0.6
Cat 2: 0.8
Cat 3: 1
Cat 4: 1.2
Cat 5: 1.5
Cat 6: 2.0 (so no change to now)
Only for the money at the finish, not for intermediates.
Stage races are a bit more difficult I fear. In a way don't think high category tours need more money around, there really is enough there already. So while I'm fully convinced by my Donkeyposal for 1 day races muss less sure about what to do for stage races:
-----GC-----stages
Cat 1: 0,6----0.6
Cat 2: 0.8----0.8
Cat 3: 1-----1.
Cat 4: 1.2.----1.3
Cat 5: 1.4----1.6
Favor the stages a bit over the GC? Maybe? To encourage stage hunters to join important tours too? If both the same, I'd go for the GC version for stages too, not the other way around.
For jerseys a special scale I'd say. It used to be way too high, forgot how much. 30'000? 40'000 Then Buh changed it, now for GTs or cat 4 tours it's really to little, Ok, seems to be 20'000, which seems ok actually for cat 4 or maybe even 5
Cat 1: yellow 5000-rest 2500
Cat 2 yellow 7500-rest 3750
Cat 3 yellow 10'000-rest 5000
Cat 4 yellow 20'000-rest 10'000 or 15'000-7500
Cat 5 yellow 30''000-rest 15'000 or 20'000-10'000
Donkey thinks the Luques Idea is brilliant. And thinks something like that should be implemented. And this isn't something that has to wait until autumn, the offseason. On the contrary, it's even better to implement it during the season. In Winter we will all suffer from lower income, since there are no high category races, so better to start early so that we can "compensate" with higher earnings during the season. For May no problem. Or if that's too sudden, go for it for June first.
It might actually be that overall there will be too much money... stage races, maybe go down there further ? 0.5-1.3?
Anyway, discuss, then implement!