RSF Classics for the offseason calender

[team fl]

Sure. End of September it is

[team fl]

Ok, not much going on regarding nominations. So I nominate the GP de Papeete to be cat 3 instead cat. 2. I think it's nice to have a TTT as a real C4F classic.

Including that, we have the following nominations so far:

Add as cat. 2 C4F classic:
1 - Around Freetown (15.11.24)
1 - Bandar Lampung Cycling Cup (19.12.24)

Upgrade to cat. 3 C4F classic:
1 - Itabirito - Ouro Preto
1 - Jable - Al Farandis
1 - GP de Papeete

Downgrade to cat. 2 C4F classic:
1 - Kisoro-Kabale
1 - GP Canyon de Chelly

Cut completely:
1 - Grand Prix de Agadir
1 - Seychelles Vacation Race

[Robyklebt]

Grrr! My nominations from last year are being ignored! FL harassing the Donkey, not only threatening to take away that carrot, now also ignoring his nominations.

[team fl]

Grrr! My nominations from last year are being ignored! FL harassing the Donkey, not only threatening to take away that carrot, now also ignoring his nominations.

As Team FL supports the idea of inclusion, we also include Donkeys with carrots (and of course also without, if that threat will get executed one day) with postings from last year:

Add as cat. 2 C4F classic:
1 - Around Freetown (15.11.24)
1 - Bandar Lampung Cycling Cup (19.12.24)

Upgrade to cat. 3 C4F classic:
1 - Itabirito - Ouro Preto
1 - Jable - Al Farandis
1 - GP de Papeete

Downgrade to cat. 2 C4F classic:
2 - Kisoro-Kabale
1 - GP Canyon de Chelly

Cut completely:
2 - Grand Prix de Agadir
1 - Seychelles Vacation Race

[Gipfelstuermer]

To get involved and have a few more votes

I support
- cutting Seychelles Vacation Race (mainly for the naming of the race)
- upgrade Itabirito - Ouro Preto (to have a cat.3 pave offseason classic)

I oppose
- downgrade of Kisoro-Kabale (final 30km are too good to downgrade it and I want to test how you handle opposition to downgrades^^)

[team fl]

To get involved and have a few more votes

I support
- cutting Seychelles Vacation Race (mainly for the naming of the race)
- upgrade Itabirito - Ouro Preto (to have a cat.3 pave offseason classic)

I oppose
- downgrade of Kisoro-Kabale (final 30km are too good to downgrade it and I want to test how you handle opposition to downgrades^^)

thanks. but how does opposition works? is it just -1 to the number of nominations?

Anyway, here the update. Tried to have a transparent count:

Add as cat. 2 C4F classic:
1 - Around Freetown (15.11.24) (nominated by 1 - opposed by 0)
1 - Bandar Lampung Cycling Cup (19.12.24) (1 - 0)

Upgrade to cat. 3 C4F classic:
2 - Itabirito - Ouro Preto (2 - 0)
1 - Jable - Al Farandis (1 - 0)
1 - GP de Papeete (1 - 0)

Downgrade to cat. 2 C4F classic:
1 - Kisoro-Kabale (2 - 1)
1 - GP Canyon de Chelly (1 - 0)

Cut completely:
2 - Grand Prix de Agadir (2 - 0)
2 - Seychelles Vacation Race (2 - 0)

[cataracs]

Ok, not much going on regarding nominations. So I nominate the GP de Papeete to be cat 3 instead cat. 2. I think it's nice to have a TTT as a real C4F classic.

Including that, we have the following nominations so far:

Add as cat. 2 C4F classic:
1 - Around Freetown (15.11.24)
1 - Bandar Lampung Cycling Cup (19.12.24)

Upgrade to cat. 3 C4F classic:
1 - Itabirito - Ouro Preto
1 - Jable - Al Farandis
1 - GP de Papeete

Downgrade to cat. 2 C4F classic:
1 - Kisoro-Kabale
1 - GP Canyon de Chelly

Cut completely:
1 - Grand Prix de Agadir
1 - Seychelles Vacation Race

Stop posting so much FL! Thought these were your nominations

[team fl]

Ok, I'll do it this way then:

Offseason Classics 2025/26 - Nomination overview

Add as cat. 2 C4F classic:
1 - Around Freetown (15.11.24) (nominated by 1 - opposed by 0)
1 - Bandar Lampung Cycling Cup (19.12.24) (1 - 0)

Upgrade to cat. 3 C4F classic:
2 - Itabirito - Ouro Preto (2 - 0)
1 - Jable - Al Farandis (1 - 0)
1 - GP de Papeete (1 - 0)

Downgrade to cat. 2 C4F classic:
1 - Kisoro-Kabale (2 - 1)
1 - GP Canyon de Chelly (1 - 0)

Cut completely:
2 - Grand Prix de Agadir (2 - 0)
2 - Seychelles Vacation Race (2 - 0)

[Tukhtahuaev]

Cut: Bosque Estatal Toro Negro Cup

[cataracs]

I have a New proposal to test and see if it gets more People involved.

I want to add to the rules, only races that we've had as a cat2 at least 3 times can be proposed to become a cat3 classic. Since classics need to have some kind of history in cycling.
Same for downgrade and cutting probably? Wouldn't make any sense to make a race a cat3 this year than change it back to cat2 next year. so a years grace period.

For the votes, I want to make a poll, for voting up and down, to see if we can get more reactions. Maybe some don't like writing or don't feel like proposing stuff without agrumentations? Or are just lazy? So I'll make a poll and see how it goes.

[cataracs]

We could use more nominations, but too lazy to propose anything.

I support the Papeete upgrade to cat3.

And oppose the two suggestions by Tukh, both lol. One is a plain circuit that we have similar races already,and the second lacks a sieb km to be interesting.

[cataracs]

I have two proposals:

Tsukuba Cycling Cup 04/09/2024. Intersting first 40km, I like the race! 2/4 editions didn't end in a mass sprint.

Alexandrette - Antioche 30/10/2023. Looks like a great classic.

[Robyklebt]

Tsukuba Cycling Cup 04/09/2024. Intersting first 40km, I like the race! 2/4 editions didn't end in a mass sprint.

I protest due to weather concerns. It's Japan. Tsukuba in December (which seems when your Asia tour is on) is not really all that warm anymore either. A bit north of Tokyo, countryside, a bit higher elevation, if anything it's 2-3 degrees colder than Tokyo, where in December on a very good day it's 15 degrees, on a bad one 5. Then in the mountain... it could also snow. Not much, but a bit. For me out for weather reasons. Also it's not that great either.

https://timog.net/t/winter-climb-of-sno ... %B1%B1/173

Donkey re-proposes

Makete - Kylea: Former Winter classic, last ridden on 20.12.22, then booted out.
Rename Dolisie-Point Noire to Dolisie Pointe Noire.

Since Taka wants South America:

Gran Premio do Sao Francisco de Paula (9.2.2019) I don't know if a sprint is possible somehow in this profile. But it's less boring then the *possible sprint* Classics we had.

Nominated in 2020 by Taka. Just copied the argument why too.

Popaya - Santa Roza, (26.01.2021) for c4f classic next winter. Unfortunately very small groups, but at least during my race I thought that with a bigger group this might be a very interesting race, with the steep climbs then the 40 km flattish downhill at the end.

Old Donkey proposal

Padre Hurtado - Pudahuel 19.02.24

There's a big danger of an uncontested km 1 group coming through I think, but wasn't in my group, and then it can be a very interesting stage as well.

Another old Donkey proposal.

The problem of course is, if nobody else nominates the same.. .we're left without additions...

[team fl]

I hereby nominate the same

[cataracs]

Tsukuba Cycling Cup 04/09/2024. Intersting first 40km, I like the race! 2/4 editions didn't end in a mass sprint.

I protest due to weather concerns. It's Japan. Tsukuba in December (which seems when your Asia tour is on) is not really all that warm anymore either. A bit north of Tokyo, countryside, a bit higher elevation, if anything it's 2-3 degrees colder than Tokyo, where in December on a very good day it's 15 degrees, on a bad one 5. Then in the mountain... it could also snow. Not much, but a bit. For me out for weather reasons. Also it's not that great either.

I protest against your protest, Japan is October (Maybe early Novermber) not December.

[Robyklebt]

I protest against more October fantasy classics!

But in case that protest is dismissed again I simply vote against that Tsukuba thing.

[cataracs]

Donkey re-proposes

Makete - Kylea: Former Winter classic, last ridden on 20.12.22, then booted out.

I think I was one of the people voting it out? It's a bad race not worth a classic.

Since Taka wants South America:

I don't actually, SA has the Andes and the Sprint tour aswell this year, deserves less classics.

Gran Premio do Sao Francisco de Paula (9.2.2019) I don't know if a sprint is possible somehow in this profile. But it's less boring then the *possible sprint* Classics we had.

Not sure how can one think a sprint is possible there? We have Trofeo Cali, this isn't needed!

Popaya - Santa Roza, (26.01.2021) for c4f classic next winter. Unfortunately very small groups, but at least during my race I thought that with a bigger group this might be a very interesting race, with the steep climbs then the 40 km flattish downhill at the end.

Padre Hurtado - Pudahuel 19.02.24

There's a big danger of an uncontested km 1 group coming through I think, but wasn't in my group, and then it can be a very interesting stage as well.

I support Popaya if Gip can upload the race, if not then Padre Hurtado.

[Gipfelstuermer]

I support Popaya if Gip can upload the race

done

[Robyklebt]

Ah, and I support cat 3 for Papeete and Itabirito too, just in case it was necessary

[cataracs]

Ah, and I support cat 3 for Papeete and Itabirito too, just in case it was necessary

I have two proposals:


Alexandrette - Antioche 30/10/2023. Looks like a great classic.

What about this great race??

[Robyklebt]

I wouldn't call it a pile of crap, but nothing all that special, and with the superb downhill pavé...Ok, for that it might be worth it. I think I'm done nominating, now only protesting, more people nominating would still be better!

[cataracs]

Offseason Classics 2025/2026:


October 2025

26.10. GP Brescia (3)


November 2025

02.11. Boucles de Wallis et Futuna (3)
06.11. GP de Papeete (3)
12.11. Itabirito - Ouro Preto (3)
14.11. El Triptico de Colombia: Trofeo de Cali (2)
23.11. Popaya - Santa Roza (New)
26.11. San Francisco classic (3)
30.11. GP Canyon de Chelly (3)


December 2025

01.12. Villalba GP (2)
08.12. Trofeo de Presa Allende (2)
14.12. Bosque Estatal Toro Negro Cup (2)
16.12. Aizawl Cup (3)
17.12. Jable - Al Farandis (2)
21.12. Colombo - Agampodigama (2)

23.12. Pavés d. Noel
24.12. X-Mas Islands
25.12. Betlehem
26.12. Tour d. Herne
31.12. St. Sylv/M St. Sylv


January 2026

01.01. GP Letzeburg (3)
02.01. Seychelles Vacation Race (2)
04.01. Napier bluff Hill Circuit (2)
12.01. GP Coimbra (2)
14.01. Kisoro-Kabale (3)
17.01 Dolisie - Point Noire (2)


Out
Grand Prix de Agadir

[Pokemon Club]

Maybe El Triptico de Colombia: Trofeo de Cali can be renamed Trofeo de Cali only as it isn't a Triptico anymore ?

[flockmastoR]

Maybe El Triptico de Colombia: Trofeo de Cali can be renamed Trofeo de Cali only as it isn't a Triptico anymore ?

Absolutely, now that the designer also agrees on that, we should finally change it!

[Robyklebt]

And Pointe Noire pleaaase