Nationenkomitee / Nations Committee

[Hunsrueck]

Hi,

my pc crashed so i cant play for some days/weeks so i stopped with mtb and ill start new team when i get my new pc, leso knows it so its legal

Greets

So we can ban Mez Team Belgium?

[katiki]

is

[katiki]

is already done huns

[gigi-acer]

Zwei meiner Fahrer haben ihre Staatsangehörigkeit verloren.
Anestis Aspiotis
Tryfiatis Trypiapis
Bitte wieder zu Griechen machen. Das sind eindeutig griechische . Namen.

mfg gigi

Danke

[Hunsrueck]

Zwei meiner Fahrer haben ihre Staatsangehörigkeit verloren.
Anestis Aspiotis
Tryfiatis Trypiapis
Bitte wieder zu Griechen machen. Das sind eindeutig griechische . Namen.

mfg gigi

Danke

Poste hier eine prüfbare Grundlage das es griechische Namen sind und sie werden ihren Pass erhalten

[gigi-acer]

Tryfiatis-Trypiapis war ein griechischer Radsportler, der an den Olympischen Sommerspielen 1896 teilnahm. Er startete beim 12-Stunden-Rennen. Er hat es jedoch nicht bis ins Ziel geschafft, sondern musste drei Stunden vor Schluss aufgeben. Wikipedia

Hauptartikel: Grieche Anestis Aspiotis zudem ist es ein gäniger Name in Grieschenland

Diese Kategorie versammelt Personen, die in ihrem Leben Staatsangehörige des Königreichs Griechenland bzw. der Republik Griechenland waren (also von 1829 bis heute) und folgt damit dem Kategoriebaum unter der Kategorie:Person nach Staatsangehörigkeit. Antike, mittelalterliche und neuzeitliche Griechen vor der Griechischen Revolution finden sich in den Unterkategorien der Kategorie:Person (griechische Geschichte), siehe insbesondere Kategorie:Grieche (Antike), Kategorie:Person (Byzantinisches Reich) und Kategorie:Grieche (Osmanisches Reich). Personen griechischer Abstammung ohne griechische Staatsangehörigkeit, die aber einen relevanten Bezug zu Griechenland aufweisen, können direkt unter Kategorie:Person (Griechenland) einsortiert werden.

[team fl]

Hatten wir die Diskussion nicht schon einmal?

Zumindest kann ich mich noch erinnern, dass Tryfiatis-Trypiapis ein Doppelnachname ist und keinen Vornamen enthält. Der Typ heisst ja auch A. Tryfiatis-Trypiapis. Siehe auch https://www.transfermarkt.de/spyridon-t ... ler/476541.

[Joy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipo_Bolivia
Checa Sandro (BOL) 27 April 1995 (age 23)
Checa Sandro is a real cyclist from Bolivia...so can u please set back nationality to my rider?

[team fl]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipo_Bolivia
Checa Sandro (BOL) 27 April 1995 (age 23)
Checa Sandro is a real cyclist from Bolivia...so can u please set back nationality to my rider?

http://www.cyclingarchives.com/coureurf ... urid=73015

Maybe you will find the problem yourself .

[Joy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipo_Bolivia
Checa Sandro (BOL) 27 April 1995 (age 23)
Checa Sandro is a real cyclist from Bolivia...so can u please set back nationality to my rider?

http://www.cyclingarchives.com/coureurf ... urid=73015

Maybe you will find the problem yourself .

so it has to be exactly the real name (doesnt say that when u set name/nationality) got it ...at least let me change it no to fair this decision

[team fl]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipo_Bolivia
Checa Sandro (BOL) 27 April 1995 (age 23)
Checa Sandro is a real cyclist from Bolivia...so can u please set back nationality to my rider?

http://www.cyclingarchives.com/coureurf ... urid=73015

Maybe you will find the problem yourself .

so it has to be exactly the real name (doesnt say that when u set name/nationality) got it ...at least let me change it no to fair this decision

Ok, I help you: His first name is Sandro, his family name Checa (and the other one). You mixed that. And the NC-Guidelines are very clear about that.

[Joy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipo_Bolivia
Checa Sandro (BOL) 27 April 1995 (age 23)
Checa Sandro is a real cyclist from Bolivia...so can u please set back nationality to my rider?

http://www.cyclingarchives.com/coureurf ... urid=73015

Maybe you will find the problem yourself .

so it has to be exactly the real name (doesnt say that when u set name/nationality) got it ...at least let me change it no to fair this decision

Ok, I help you: His first name is Sandro, his family name Checa (and the other one). You mixed that. And the NC-Guidelines are very clear about that.

ok...any chance to repair or it will remain "Staatenlos"

[team fl]

http://www.cyclingarchives.com/coureurf ... urid=73015

Maybe you will find the problem yourself .

so it has to be exactly the real name (doesnt say that when u set name/nationality) got it ...at least let me change it no to fair this decision

Ok, I help you: His first name is Sandro, his family name Checa (and the other one). You mixed that. And the NC-Guidelines are very clear about that.

ok...any chance to repair or it will remain "Staatenlos"

The NC cannot do anything about it, only the admins can.

[scorpsche]

I would like to formally complain about the change of nation from my rider "Carlo Smettino" from Italian to stateless.
As son of an Italian mother and Ukraine father born in Sicile he has the Italian passport!

If you don't believe that is a real name, just look here:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sergio-smettino-a5672bb6

In addition I would like to complain that he useless names in bicycling context like "Donald Trump" are "Arya Stark" are not a problem.
Especially since "Arya" is not an English name:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arya_(name)

[High Flyer]

Not part of FPK, but just wanna say that you have to log into linkedin to see the profile, so a screenshot might be better.

[scorpsche]

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[Hunsrueck]

I von scorpsche » Do Jun 14, 2018 1:18 pm

I would like to formally complain about the change of nation from my rider "Carlo Smettino" from Italian to stateless.
As son of an Italian mother and Ukraine father born in Sicile he has the Italian passport!

If you don't believe that is a real name, just look here:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sergio-smettino-a5672bb6

In addition I would like to complain that he useless names in bicycling context like "Donald Trump" are "Arya Stark" are not a problem.
Especially since "Arya" is not an English name:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arya_(name)

You dont get it...

Here my answer for Arya Stark

Arya:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arya_(name) (In India, it is used as both a masculine and a feminine name)

Stark:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Stark

Unlike you, we check the names reasonably and then decide according to the rules
And here you can read the rules viewtopic.php?f=34&t=3207

Edit: likedin is not a verifiable basis for me

[scorpsche]

Regarding Arya case...

It is interesting you want to prove your point with the same link I used for "Arya".

Interesting also it is not in line with the very same rules you referenced:
"§ 4:
(1) A rider’s name has to fit the given nationality."
You said it yourself, it is common in India but the choosen nationality is British.
Plus we all know it is mainly choosen with Games of Thrones background, so fantasy which is prohibited in §1 (2).

Well fine, so my next rider will be Cersei Lannister...this will make this game more "realistisic".

Ok let's go down the route and say "Arya Stark" is realistic because both names exist...and perhaps it is the daughter of Indian mother and English father...
Then you have make "Carlo Smettino" Italian.
Since Carlo is obv. an Italian name and Smettino is an Italian sounding name or real existing Ukraine name.
I was given the reference to LinkedIn because it shows that it is actually a real existing person.
In the rules is written a serious website might be provided.
Well LinkedIn is not a serious website for you? What is then, 9gag?
Not every name in the world is listed in wikipedia.

[team fl]

Besides the fact that I haven't found anybody on Facebook with the family name Smettino, in my opinion, the name is okay according to the NC-Guidelines. As long as there's not an Italian native that tells me the name is offensive or plain stupid. Anyway, for me it sounds realistic.

Just three general things about the "other" discussion:

- There are a lot of Indian immigrants in the UK that are British citizens...

- First name usually is not that important as it's something that's given (hence given name) by your parents. And as long as you don't violate a law regarding that, they are totally free to name their child Arya (or Cersei), if they want. Even if they're from the UK.

- So in general, the name (the whole name, but as written, family name is way more crucial) has to either be realistic or sound realistic.

The latter is very subjective and in this case, Hunsrueck, who couldn't find the family name Smettino in his research, obviously deemed it not sounding realistic too. Why, I don't know, but that doesn't matter. So my conclusion would be: Give Smettino the nationality, as long as there is no valid argument that he shouldn't, and forget about the whole Arya Stark whataboutism.

[scorpsche]

Thanks would be fine for me.

[Robyklebt]

Forget about Arya? Why not give the whiny boy who kept talking about it a fine?

[team fl]

Forget about Arya? Why not give the whiny boy who kept talking about it a fine?

And what would that be for? For being obnoxious? Anyway, as I wrote in the ingame chat before, the NC is not the FC

[team fl]

Hello,

Please give back French nationality to Bob Igny.

- We can find same French Bobs : https://www.prenoms.com/prenom/BOB.html

- Igny is a French name, the family d'Igny even gave its name to a city not far from Paris...
http://www.geneanet.org/genealogie/fr/igny.html

Really have again that NC is a bit arbitrary and did not check by easy and very accessible google search^^

Anyway, thanks for repairing that mistake and for giving him back his flag!

Can you just not present facts without a cheap shot...

A) no problem with Bob.
B) D'Igny, as you write, is the family name, not Igny. Igny is indeed a towns name IF YOU GOOGLE IT!

So why is it totally arbitrary? Because the NC hasnt the time to check the history of every town in France you like to name your rider after? Flag is on the way from tomorrow on, you ungraceful and unpleasent human being.

Edith told me, the other sentence I deleted now was not okay.

[Hunsrueck]

B) D'Igny, as you write, is the family name, not Igny. Igny is indeed a towns name IF YOU GOOGLE IT!

D'Igny is a family name AND Igny too (cf my link).

Anyway, thanks for the flag back!

I may be more pleasant if you do not unpleasantly remove flag without asking first for more proofs, if you don't have the time to check yourself.

If next time you ask : "Idé, I think your rider has a not OK name relatively to his nationality, could you bring any proofs otherwise I'll have to remove his flag?", I will be for sure more pleasant! Removing without asking is not "being correct" IMO, so if you are not "correct" with me, why should I with you in response?
^^

Hi Mister WauWau,

1. The national committee does not see directly which rider belongs to which team
2. Do you really believe we should personally contact the relevant team for every application
3. we already have enough to do with the whole new rider names
4. the system of rsf gives us limited possibilities to react and they are used by us
5. If you find this unfriendly, write to leso or luques to change it
6. what gives you the right to write in such a way and manner, maybe that's how it is with you, but not for me and my colleagues

[team fl]

B) D'Igny, as you write, is the family name, not Igny. Igny is indeed a towns name IF YOU GOOGLE IT!

D'Igny is a family name AND Igny too (cf my link).

Anyway, thanks for the flag back!

I may be more pleasant if you do not unpleasantly remove flag without asking first for more proofs, if you don't have the time to check yourself.

If next time you ask : "Idé, I think your rider has a not OK name relatively to his nationality, could you bring any proofs otherwise I'll have to remove his flag?", I will be for sure more pleasant! Removing without asking is not "being correct" IMO, so if you are not "correct" with me, why should I with you in response?
^^

a) haven't found it then, and Bob Igny sounds more like an English name anyway.
b) we do not remove something "unpleasantly" but because we're either not sure or we thing it's not okay. AND give the user the opportunity to appeal correctly AND pleasantly.
c) I don't see whose rider it is at first hand. So the decision was made without knowing it was your rider. And can you imagine how much time it would cost looking at all the names that could be or could not be correct? Exactly... the ^^ you can shove up somewhere unpleasantly.