We will discuss it again.Bugatti wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 6:38 amCome on, everyone knows him under that name... And it sounds clearly normal!Alkworld wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 9:20 pmWhere do you draw the line here? There are lots of artists, who use slightly changed names (like the mentioned one), sometimes just for practical reasons, which still sound like normal names. Barely anybody then knows the real name. Not sure, if this is the goal of having the NC, which as far as I remember is mainly to have less rubbish names. Martin even has his Wikipedia page under this name.Chemnitz Pro Cycling Team wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 12:53 pm§ 2 Prohibited Names
(1) Nicknames, artist names (e.g. „Avicii“) or fantasy names (e.g. „Darth Vader“) are not allowed. Riders with such names will be made stateless.
Wenn du seinen originalen Namen verwendet hättest, wäre er durchgekommen.
The Name Garrix exist too, so where is the problem.
Can you please check it again?
If not, what solutions do we have? New name?
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After discussing the case again, we can't find a strong support to give Garrix a nationality, se he stays nationless.Chemnitz Pro Cycling Team wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 10:03 amWe will discuss it again.Bugatti wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 6:38 amCome on, everyone knows him under that name... And it sounds clearly normal!Alkworld wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 9:20 pmWhere do you draw the line here? There are lots of artists, who use slightly changed names (like the mentioned one), sometimes just for practical reasons, which still sound like normal names. Barely anybody then knows the real name. Not sure, if this is the goal of having the NC, which as far as I remember is mainly to have less rubbish names. Martin even has his Wikipedia page under this name.Chemnitz Pro Cycling Team wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 12:53 pm
§ 2 Prohibited Names
(1) Nicknames, artist names (e.g. „Avicii“) or fantasy names (e.g. „Darth Vader“) are not allowed. Riders with such names will be made stateless.
Wenn du seinen originalen Namen verwendet hättest, wäre er durchgekommen.
The Name Garrix exist too, so where is the problem.
Can you please check it again?
If not, what solutions do we have? New name?
Main reasons:
- it's an artist name, not his real one (see the rules)
- we couldn't find the name as a real name on different databases, just one person with this name in Thailand
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Fernand Pelletier - Canada
https://www.veterans.gc.ca/en/remembran ... il/2214399
Pelletier: Nr. 28 of most canadian names (french based) https://forebears.io/canada/surnames
Fernand (french) shorty for Ferdinand, common use in Canada
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Pelletier: Nr. 28 of most canadian names (french based) https://forebears.io/canada/surnames
Fernand (french) shorty for Ferdinand, common use in Canada
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Thanks for explaining. I saw the message in the NC chat as well, so no need for further action in the forum.RC Hachen wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 8:41 pmFernand Pelletier - Canada
https://www.veterans.gc.ca/en/remembran ... il/2214399
Pelletier: Nr. 28 of most canadian names (french based) https://forebears.io/canada/surnames
Fernand (french) shorty for Ferdinand, common use in Canada
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My Mr. Amerikanos -> = Greece
https://forebears.io/x/de/surnames/amerikanos
An example:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgos_Amerikanos
https://forebears.io/x/de/surnames/amerikanos
An example:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgos_Amerikanos
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Hi, I think you chose the wrong nation as his current passport says he's from Hungary. We will give you the opportunity to change it.
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Hey guys,
about my rider Theodor Weinzierl, CZE
It says "wrong nation" though there is still the flag from the Czech Republic present in the team overview. Does this mean that the NC process is not finished yet?
Theodor Weinzierl was born in a city that is now within the borders of the Czech Republik, he was an Austrian by the means of the Austrian Empire and he also lived and worked in Vienna. So if you are not happy with the Czech passport, please give him the Austrian one (not German). I guess it is still in your hands or can I do anything about it now?
about my rider Theodor Weinzierl, CZE
It says "wrong nation" though there is still the flag from the Czech Republic present in the team overview. Does this mean that the NC process is not finished yet?
Theodor Weinzierl was born in a city that is now within the borders of the Czech Republik, he was an Austrian by the means of the Austrian Empire and he also lived and worked in Vienna. So if you are not happy with the Czech passport, please give him the Austrian one (not German). I guess it is still in your hands or can I do anything about it now?
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Hi,
you are / were right. There was no final confirmation but it's done now. You are now free to choose the nation and we will check it, again. Thats the process for 'wrong nation'.
As you mentioned he was born in a city which was part of the Austrian Empire back then and he was austrian citizen. So i think we can agree on that.
you are / were right. There was no final confirmation but it's done now. You are now free to choose the nation and we will check it, again. Thats the process for 'wrong nation'.
As you mentioned he was born in a city which was part of the Austrian Empire back then and he was austrian citizen. So i think we can agree on that.
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I cannot chose a new nation. Where should I find this option?Schnuggeritos wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 12:03 pmHi,
you are / were right. There was no final confirmation but it's done now. You are now free to choose the nation and we will check it, again. Thats the process for 'wrong nation'.
As you mentioned he was born in a city which was part of the Austrian Empire back then and he was austrian citizen. So i think we can agree on that.
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I think I forgot to confirm the case. My bad, sorry for the confusion.
You should have received a message about the wrong nation now. Usually the change can should be on the riders page.
You should have received a message about the wrong nation now. Usually the change can should be on the riders page.
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Thanks. Now it works.Schnuggeritos wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 9:08 pmI think I forgot to confirm the case. My bad, sorry for the confusion.
You should have received a message about the wrong nation now. Usually the change can should be on the riders page.
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Please have a look here:NC wrote: Dear Linn Drum Cycling, your rider Ray Tomlinson lost his nationality (JM) because the nations committee thinks the name is not suitable for JM. You may choose a new nationality for your rider on the Team page. In case you disagree with this decision, please contact the nations committee in the forum. Best regards, Nations Committee.
https://nachnamen.net/jamaika/t --> 4.
and here:
https://dervorname.com/jamaika/ray --> 2.
I only use names from this two sites, btw.
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Hey Linn,
we did and I also expected your search pattern (e.g. iaw forebearers).
The problem for me is that there is https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Tomlinson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Tomlinson a very famous US citizen with that name.
So after a discussion we decided to suggest you to use his origin and make him a citizen of the United States or perhaps alter his firstname to another common jamaican name (for that change, i think Gipfel needs to do that).
I'm sorry about the circumstances, wish you a nice weekend @@@@
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we did and I also expected your search pattern (e.g. iaw forebearers).
The problem for me is that there is https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Tomlinson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Tomlinson a very famous US citizen with that name.
So after a discussion we decided to suggest you to use his origin and make him a citizen of the United States or perhaps alter his firstname to another common jamaican name (for that change, i think Gipfel needs to do that).
I'm sorry about the circumstances, wish you a nice weekend @@@@
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Is Lester Tomlinson OK for (JM)?
And Gip, would you do that 4 me please?
And Gip, would you do that 4 me please?
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For me it sounds great.Laugenspitze wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2024 6:12 pmIs Lester Tomlinson OK for (JM)?
And Gip, would you do that 4 me please?
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Sorry boys
I have named Fabiano Cancellino one of my guys and i completely forgot the rules about “not reference real name”.
Could i have 1 chance to change the surname?
I’m really sorry about it, it was something i write fast without thinking.
Thanks!
I have named Fabiano Cancellino one of my guys and i completely forgot the rules about “not reference real name”.
Could i have 1 chance to change the surname?
I’m really sorry about it, it was something i write fast without thinking.
Thanks!
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Hi RadioShanks, please write Gip a PM. The NC can not decide it.RadioShanks wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 6:55 amSorry boys
I have named Fabiano Cancellino one of my guys and i completely forgot the rules about “not reference real name”.
Could i have 1 chance to change the surname?
I’m really sorry about it, it was something i write fast without thinking.
Thanks!
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Reference to real names are allowed (there is no rule against it), real names are allowed, realistic names are allowed. Problem is to make clones. Fabian Cancellara is the real name, Fabiano Cancellara would be a clone, Fabian Canccelara etc. you get it, but is Fabiano Cancellino a clone? If the name Cancellino exists (which I don't know) it is ok imo, if it doesn't exist, is it realistic? Well sounds Italien to me, deepl says it means something like rubber in Italian. So I really like the name.Chemnitz Pro Cycling Team wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:56 amHi RadioShanks, please write Gip a PM. The NC can not decide it.RadioShanks wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 6:55 amSorry boys
I have named Fabiano Cancellino one of my guys and i completely forgot the rules about “not reference real name”.
Could i have 1 chance to change the surname?
I’m really sorry about it, it was something i write fast without thinking.
Thanks!
Please keep it and give him the pass!
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https://forebears.io/surnames/cancellinoflockmastoR wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 10:20 amReference to real names are allowed (there is no rule against it), real names are allowed, realistic names are allowed. Problem is to make clones. Fabian Cancellara is the real name, Fabiano Cancellara would be a clone, Fabian Canccelara etc. you get it, but is Fabiano Cancellino a clone? If the name Cancellino exists (which I don't know) it is ok imo, if it doesn't exist, is it realistic? Well sounds Italien to me, deepl says it means something like rubber in Italian. So I really like the name.Chemnitz Pro Cycling Team wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:56 amHi RadioShanks, please write Gip a PM. The NC can not decide it.RadioShanks wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 6:55 amSorry boys
I have named Fabiano Cancellino one of my guys and i completely forgot the rules about “not reference real name”.
Could i have 1 chance to change the surname?
I’m really sorry about it, it was something i write fast without thinking.
Thanks!
Please keep it and give him the pass!
Well, the name name is not Italian at least.
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don't know about more, but it is Italian as well for sure: https://www.italiangenealogy.blog/third ... n-surname/
for the German speaking crowd: read the whole article and the family names in the end...
for the German speaking crowd: read the whole article and the family names in the end...
I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said.
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Just wanted to know the reason for the dismiss, as RadioShanks assumption was that it was rejected because of the "no clone" rule.
The rule is very much debatable for this specific case. You can get any name you like by adding or changing letters of any other name (how many changes do I need to do? Is Bernhard Kohlmeier not allowed? Is Bernhard Köhlmeier better? Or are these clones of Bernhard Kohl? Both last names are common names in Austria, Bernhard is like a top20 first name for male guys in Austria.(2) It’s not allowed to alter names of real existing celebrities (sports, politics, music, films, etc.) either by adding, deleting or changing letters (e.g. "Wout VanArt" or "Matthieu VanDerPoel").
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