Points and money for jerseys during tours
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:10 am
One of my old favorite topics.
Let's start with the points. Done in early 2007, big points revolution, the one thing we forgot was: Points for jerseys. So Buhmann did whatever and the result is
Cat 1:
GC: 37, that 43,53% of the stage winner
Mountain/Points 26 30,59%
youth 15, 17,65%
Cat 2
40 38,1%
28 26,67%
16 15,24%
Cat 3
42 32,31
29 22,31
17 13,08
Cat 4
45 28,13
31 19,38
18 11,25
Cat 5
50 23,81
35 16,67
20 9,52
Put another way:
In a cat 1 race getting the yellow jersey is worth a bit more than getting 4th place of a stage, in a cat 5 race it's worth getting 9th place.
In a cat 1 race getting the points or mountain jersey is worth 1 point less than 5th in a stage, in a cat 5 race it's worth getting 14th place.
It's obviously illogical and make no sense at all. It makes the jersey comparatively MORE important the less important the race is.
A good system would either do the opposite, or at least treat all the same, relatively the same.
So far Buhmann never cared, maybe he cares now? I'm even making a nice little proposal.
getting the leaders jersey: Always worth the same as 5th in a stage. 29-36-45-56-73
getting the points/mountains jersey: Always the same as 15th in a stage: 13-16-20-25-33 So a bit less than half the points than the guy who gets the leaders jersey gets. Seems sensible.
getting the white jersey: Always worth the same as 20th in a stage 9-11-14-17-23 2/3 of the points/mountain jersey. Seems sensible, again.
The jerseys at the end?
The logic doesn't improve, except for the GC obviously.
But the points/mountain/youth? A joke. So, in a GT, the winner get's: 15 points per day for the mountain-points jersey. that's 345 points. A guy that wears the jersey for 10 days gets... 350 points.
The WINNER of that jersey often gets less points than a guy who just wears it for a few days. Cat 1 tsimilar, right now wearing that jersey for 2 days gives you 52 points. The winner of the jersey in a 4 day tour gets 60 points.
Change that too.
Here maybe make it the same as place nr 10 for mountain/points and 15 for youth, same as those places in the GT. Then, the winner in a GT would get 308+7*23, 469 points. The guy that wears the jersey for 10 days still gets 330, So maybe still worth too much per day. Cat 1 one 2 days 26points, the winner gets 50. Good. And logic.
MONEY
Same thing.
40k
30k
15k
is JUST TOO MUCH. Today for getting first and second in a stage I got 170k. Cool. For getting red, green, white, I got another 85k. Too much.
2 possibilities.
Make it dependent on the category. The higher the category the more you get, which would be logic, since the wearing the green jersey at the tour gives you publicity, wearing it at the the Tour of Morocco doesn't interest anybody. Ok, you never liked that idea, so not even bothering to make a proposal here. The other way would be: Just cut the money generally
30k
15k
10k
That's enough.
At the same time INCREASE the money for the end. Right now it's so ridiculous that wearing green one day gives you 30k, in the end it's 10k per day.
GC as it is, points/mountain 15k (up from 10), youth 10k (up from 5) And since you like giving money to nr 2 and 3 as well (I don't care, is ok if you like it) increase that too.
Maybe there are better proposals, both money and points, if you're interested (and no, this one isn't a time problem, since it doesn't really involve any brain activity to figure out that the system now is shit and that almost anything else is better and doesn't really sound like it takes much work to change those numbers) just say so and I can put another 20 minutes into it and come up with a better proposal.
But my guess is you still don't care.
Can you at least tell me WHY you think it's good as it is now?
Let's start with the points. Done in early 2007, big points revolution, the one thing we forgot was: Points for jerseys. So Buhmann did whatever and the result is
Cat 1:
GC: 37, that 43,53% of the stage winner
Mountain/Points 26 30,59%
youth 15, 17,65%
Cat 2
40 38,1%
28 26,67%
16 15,24%
Cat 3
42 32,31
29 22,31
17 13,08
Cat 4
45 28,13
31 19,38
18 11,25
Cat 5
50 23,81
35 16,67
20 9,52
Put another way:
In a cat 1 race getting the yellow jersey is worth a bit more than getting 4th place of a stage, in a cat 5 race it's worth getting 9th place.
In a cat 1 race getting the points or mountain jersey is worth 1 point less than 5th in a stage, in a cat 5 race it's worth getting 14th place.
It's obviously illogical and make no sense at all. It makes the jersey comparatively MORE important the less important the race is.
A good system would either do the opposite, or at least treat all the same, relatively the same.
So far Buhmann never cared, maybe he cares now? I'm even making a nice little proposal.
getting the leaders jersey: Always worth the same as 5th in a stage. 29-36-45-56-73
getting the points/mountains jersey: Always the same as 15th in a stage: 13-16-20-25-33 So a bit less than half the points than the guy who gets the leaders jersey gets. Seems sensible.
getting the white jersey: Always worth the same as 20th in a stage 9-11-14-17-23 2/3 of the points/mountain jersey. Seems sensible, again.
The jerseys at the end?
The logic doesn't improve, except for the GC obviously.
But the points/mountain/youth? A joke. So, in a GT, the winner get's: 15 points per day for the mountain-points jersey. that's 345 points. A guy that wears the jersey for 10 days gets... 350 points.
The WINNER of that jersey often gets less points than a guy who just wears it for a few days. Cat 1 tsimilar, right now wearing that jersey for 2 days gives you 52 points. The winner of the jersey in a 4 day tour gets 60 points.
Change that too.
Here maybe make it the same as place nr 10 for mountain/points and 15 for youth, same as those places in the GT. Then, the winner in a GT would get 308+7*23, 469 points. The guy that wears the jersey for 10 days still gets 330, So maybe still worth too much per day. Cat 1 one 2 days 26points, the winner gets 50. Good. And logic.
MONEY
Same thing.
40k
30k
15k
is JUST TOO MUCH. Today for getting first and second in a stage I got 170k. Cool. For getting red, green, white, I got another 85k. Too much.
2 possibilities.
Make it dependent on the category. The higher the category the more you get, which would be logic, since the wearing the green jersey at the tour gives you publicity, wearing it at the the Tour of Morocco doesn't interest anybody. Ok, you never liked that idea, so not even bothering to make a proposal here. The other way would be: Just cut the money generally
30k
15k
10k
That's enough.
At the same time INCREASE the money for the end. Right now it's so ridiculous that wearing green one day gives you 30k, in the end it's 10k per day.
GC as it is, points/mountain 15k (up from 10), youth 10k (up from 5) And since you like giving money to nr 2 and 3 as well (I don't care, is ok if you like it) increase that too.
Maybe there are better proposals, both money and points, if you're interested (and no, this one isn't a time problem, since it doesn't really involve any brain activity to figure out that the system now is shit and that almost anything else is better and doesn't really sound like it takes much work to change those numbers) just say so and I can put another 20 minutes into it and come up with a better proposal.
But my guess is you still don't care.
Can you at least tell me WHY you think it's good as it is now?