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we have got a new sprint system. i just want to know how do you like it. i ask you now and after 1 month again, just to see what will happen.

PS: 10 = best 1 = worst

I like it.
10.

Yeah Skull, it's getting better and better

I like those that I win But seriously, I like it more than the old sprint. Once it is perfectly balanced, I'll give it a 10.

I gave it a one because i think it's not ready, always that bug i have.

I definitely love this system

It deserves a 6 you bunch of morons. Sufficient, but nothing more and nothing less. If it becomes more intuitive it can get higher

Alkworld wrote:I like those that I win But seriously, I like it more than the old sprint. Once it is perfectly balanced, I'll give it a 10.

+1, Doug get a shining win in Dresden so its more likely 10.

for me it was a 5. the main idea is good, but the balance is/was not the best. maybe it will be much better in one month

I demand to be allowed to change the vote
It was a 6 in the first days after it started. Now it's a 1. It's simply bad and nothing at all seems to be done to make it better.

Robyklebt wrote:I demand to be allowed to change the vote
It was a 6 in the first days after it started. Now it's a 1. It's simply bad and nothing at all seems to be done to make it better.

I agree.

Radomiak wrote:

Robyklebt wrote:I demand to be allowed to change the vote
It was a 6 in the first days after it started. Now it's a 1. It's simply bad and nothing at all seems to be done to make it better.

I agree.

I voted in terms of potential. Right now it seems closer to one indeed.

I reduce my vote to 9.
Still much much better than the old system.
But some things i don't like.

1. Fight for back wheel: only sprint-skill and energy should count for calculation
it is not good that a rider with 80 flat / 70 sprint can steal a wheel from a 60 flat / 90 sprint guy.
Means the flat-skill only should count for the setting "launch sprint".

2. Block your own back wheel: just put some shitty rider on it and nobody else can take it - dirty play, can be punished in future races but i like a mechanism which technically makes it impossible. For example when the man behind is 15 skill-points weaker he do not definitely gets the wheel

3. Blocking in general: in a crowded sprint it is really annoying, especially when your own lead-out kills you
I think riders with the setting "follow" but follows nobody or somebody behind have to get thin, means everybody can easily pass them.

skull wrote:...
1. Fight for back wheel: only sprint-skill and energy should count for calculation
it is not good that a rider with 80 flat / 70 sprint can steal a wheel from a 60 flat / 90 sprint guy.
Means the flat-skill only should count for the setting "launch sprint".

...

3. Blocking in general: in a crowded sprint it is really annoying, especially when your own lead-out kills you
I think riders with the setting "follow" but follows nobody or somebody behind have to get thin, means everybody can easily pass them.

100%

skull wrote: 1. Fight for back wheel: only sprint-skill and energy should count for calculation
it is not good that a rider with 80 flat / 70 sprint can steal a wheel from a 60 flat / 90 sprint guy.
Means the flat-skill only should count for the setting "launch sprint".

2. Block your own back wheel: just put some shitty rider on it and nobody else can take it - dirty play, can be punished in future races but i like a mechanism which technically makes it impossible. For example when the man behind is 15 skill-points weaker he do not definitely gets the wheel

3. Blocking in general: in a crowded sprint it is really annoying, especially when your own lead-out kills you
I think riders with the setting "follow" but follows nobody or somebody behind have to get thin, means everybody can easily pass them.

jup, agree

skull wrote:I reduce my vote to 9.
Still much much better than the old system.
But some things i don't like.

1. Fight for back wheel: only sprint-skill and energy should count for calculation
it is not good that a rider with 80 flat / 70 sprint can steal a wheel from a 60 flat / 90 sprint guy.
Means the flat-skill only should count for the setting "launch sprint".

2. Block your own back wheel: just put some shitty rider on it and nobody else can take it - dirty play, can be punished in future races but i like a mechanism which technically makes it impossible. For example when the man behind is 15 skill-points weaker he do not definitely gets the wheel

3. Blocking in general: in a crowded sprint it is really annoying, especially when your own lead-out kills you
I think riders with the setting "follow" but follows nobody or somebody behind have to get thin, means everybody can easily pass them.

Kind of "thin"

Im okay with points 2 and 3 ... with point 1 I do not agree for 100% cause i think it should depend on where we are ...

500 Meters before the finish a 80-70 (okay better a 80-80) guy should be able to steal a wheel from a 60-90 guy ... 400-300 meters before it should be a 1:1 situation ... after surely the sprintguy should be able to steal it ...

But if the sprinter loses the wheel at 450m, he's like 200m back and it's almost over for him... There is no coming back, or fighting again, or 1-1 situation.

Anyway, nothing will be solved by tweaking some numbers in the case of this sprintsystem. Just delete it.