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At the moment every rider with ~80 flat has got a cobble skill of 70 to 80. But why has every flat rider that gift of minimum talent for cobble stones? Could we maybe have some flat riders who are totally untalented for the cobbles? Not every rider is a fan of the northern classics, even though he might be a strong rider for any other profile.

There could be a minumum of 40 or 50 for the cobble skill (meaning the hidden cobble calculation value would be near zero), regardless of how much flat skill a rider has got. So for example some 20-year-old riders with 74 flat still could have only 40 at cobbles, so that they reach maybe 50 at cobbles when they constantly train at flat.

That way the fields for cobble stone races wouldn't be that dense of cobble racers. The gaps after a cobble section could be bigger (and particularly after cobbled hellinge).
The cobbled flat racers could get more desired and so reach a higher selling prize at the planned auctions.

Maybe a good flat or classics rider could become too cheap when he has no cobble skill. To avoid that there could be a limitation of cheapness. For example: even if the cobble skill is lower than 70, it would still be calculated as if it were 70. So it would be no advantage of lower salary, but maybe an advantage of lower purchase. And after all the none-cobble riders would sometimes be the only flat riders available. So they would be bought anyway.

I would say the total number of offered riders shouldn't be raised through this. But the percentage of untalented cobble racers should be increased.

If they dont lower my salary it is senseless i think. Then I would never buy a flatguy with 40 cobble just to save 100k when i buy him.

Ciclistas wrote: I would never buy a flatguy with 40 cobble just to save 100k when i buy him.

i think i would

Of course it would make those special riders cheaper. Very very good idea, please implement Buhmann!!!

More opinions, please


Cobble skill of 70 would be too high, since sprinters and climbers usually have less than 60. It would make them too expensive.

Luna wrote: But why has every flat rider that gift of minimum talent for cobble stones?

Because you need more or less the same skill to be good on flat and on cobblestone ?

But ok, one of the lowest combinations seems to be 65 flat 59 cbs. Perhaps going to 55 in cbs would bring more diversity. But 65-70 flat and 40 cbs, doesn't make much sense and seems useless.

Yes, the exact numbers and thresholds would remain to be determined. Although there wouldn't be much difference between 40 cbs and 5. Both would just be more or less useless at cobbles.

But maybe Buhmann can say something about it. How much would that low cbs skills affect the salary at all? And is he even seeing a benefit in reducing the plenty of cobble talent in the peloton in general?

Salarywise, impact there. But how good is that actually. How much cheaper should a 49-90-50-50-60 with 35 reg get? Right now he wants 41k. 77,3 pavé. How much cheaper should a 90 flat 60 sprint even be? Down to 35k? To make the 60-87 available for 40k, the 70-80 for 45k? Not a good idea.

Want to thin out the pavé groups a bit? Stop offering my bugs. Duculescu 65 flat, max pavé for 1'094'xxx. Now 82 flat and pavé. Olimpiu 65 flat and max pavé. Not training as well, but could still go to 80 flat which would mean 80,6 pavé. And he has sprint too, add 2 good flat riders with some pavé, 88 flat, around 80 pavé or so to that, and here you have one of the reasons for more blocked pavéraces, the leader can be bought for peanuts. I say go the opposite direction and stop giving every bum the 82 hidden pavé value. REserve that for 73-74 start in flat.
Makes some fantastic pavé "riders" impossible?The sprinter for exampe? Good thing, He has no value whatsoever anyway. A Conti, with 59 flat start, let's give him 82 hidden pavé value. He trains 15 flat and 6 sprint, a 75 flat 87 sprinter. A guy that with a 77,1 pavé value can't ride a meter in the flat without being attacked from all sides? Can RSF be MORE arcade than that? That's exactly the type of rider that isn't needed. Same as the Duculescu, they offer nothing to RSF. Except ultracheap potential leaders. STart thinning out there.

Robyklebt wrote:How much cheaper should a 49-90-50-50-60 with 35 reg get? Right now he wants 41k. 77,3 pavé.

What? Collin with 52-91-46-47-49 with 39 Reg / 79,6 Pavé wants nearly 46k.

Robyklebt wrote: A Conti, with 59 flat start, let's give him 82 hidden pavé value. He trains 15 flat and 6 sprint, a 75 flat 87 sprinter.

Aha. 59+15=?

MOUNTAIN! Then reg. Then pavé. Makes more than up for the sprint. Pavé at that level probably makes something like 2000-3000 difference. Right now if it's under 70 close to 0.

That's true. The hidden cobble value maybe just shouldn't be higher than flat skill plus 5 or so. Would make a max of 79 for the 74 flat 21-year rider.

I dont´see the need to change the cobblestone-skill. If i´m alone with this opinion, let it me know. But at the moment i don´t see the problem or really advantages.

One thing that I don't unterstand is the following:

Youth Transfer Market right now, two riders:

1. 48 74 70 46 51 65 61 -> 1.706.679 33.461

2. 48 74 67 46 51 70 61 -> 1.706.089 33.629


Why is rider No. 1 more expensive when having downhill + 3 (70/67) BUT cobblestone -5 (65/70) when the other skills are exactly the same?

He.. BUH, get to work!!!


Interesting, interesting....

Especially because with the salary it's the opposite.

just today, when i was walking around the tm, i wondered about some prices of riders with high downhillskill - did it become more expensive and i didnt know?

Yes...since 2007 or something kile this

i will know, how is the impact of cobble skill with rain?
give some difference?