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sprint is buggy

Post by bergwerk cycling » Wed Aug 27, 2025 6:15 pm

Look at the race today .. group 3 ... Primrose was on the later winner and at 250 m comes 3 riders from 2 rows above between primrose!!?!??
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Post by Berlin Marks » Wed Aug 27, 2025 7:05 pm

I think AAD told you what happened in Spector chat. And since the sprint system is the same for years and nothing changed in the code it’s probably just the visual thing, that you can’t really see the animation anymore.

I think it would really help if it’s written in the log, when someone got blocked or crashed into. But I guess that’s as complex to integrate as changing the code to get rid of the ass covering

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Re: sprint is buggy

Post by bergwerk cycling » Thu Aug 28, 2025 8:21 am

how could it be a visual thing?

Primrose does nothing!!! ... hangs only on Baltazar Latczewski (lula) on following

so why can he loose that wheel and goes 3 Positions down?

Maybe visuell that the three comes through the line above but not between Latcze and Primrose! and that happens there

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Re: sprint is buggy

Post by team fl » Thu Aug 28, 2025 8:53 am

I have to say: Even looking at the replay where you see the movement, it's unclear what exactly happend. It seems Primrose loses the wheel immediatly at 250m and just sprints slower, moving in a direct line to the left while ending up three bike length behind the rider he had the wheel before. Maybe that's a visual thing too and it's just summing up the calculation in one weird move by Primerose, but as many pointed out before: It's impossible to find out what happened exactly just because of what you see.
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Re: sprint is buggy

Post by flockmastoR » Thu Aug 28, 2025 8:56 am

Ich erkläre es dir auf deutsch:

In der alten Flash Visualisierung hat man innerhalb eines 50m Schrittes besser gesehen was passiert ist.

Beispiel: Du sprintest los, bist aber rechts und links blockiert. Dann fährt der Fahrer auf das Vorderrad auf, fällt dann etwas zurück, fährt wieder auf bis er ansteht, fällt dann zurück. Dann sieht man nach dem 50m Schritt einen kleinen Abstand zwischen dem Vorderrad und deinem Fahrer. In der neuen Visualisierung sieht man nur ein langsames zurückfallen deines Fahrers auf diese Position (lineare Interpolation zwischen der alten und der neuen Position).

Zu eurem sprint: sieht wild aus, was aber auffällt Kosasih wird eine Fahrspur nach links (untern) gedrückt. Er ist vorher gesprintet und auch beim wechsel zwischen 250 und 200m. Ich gehe davon aus er hatte "jetzt rechts" ist durch den Fahrspurwechsel von Kool (wechselt an Art) in die Linie zwischen Latczewski und Pimrose gekracht und nach rechts ausgewichen nachdem Pimrose durch den Crash nicht mehr am Rad von Latczewski war. Das passiert relativ häufig, normalerweise reißt der Fahrer dann einfach nur ein Loch auf. Aber in diesem Fall gab es wohl auch weiter oben einen "Crash". Die Sattelpuper wollten 50m vorher an Art, haben aber ein größeres Loch gelassen. Ol sprinted nach links (bzw wahrscheinlicher: versucht ebenfalls an Art zu gehen und verliert das Rennen gegen Kool). Hier tauschen dann die beiden Züge die Fahrspuren (das sieht in der Tat komisch aus sieht man aber auch manchmal, ich erwarte hier eher, dass der Sattelpuper Zug nach links gedrückt wird oder dass er "durch" den Zug fährt und die hinteren Fahrerabgehängt werden (ähnlich wie bei bw).

Dadurch das Pimrose davor das HR verloren hat und der Sattelpuper zug in das Loch gedrückt wird, wird Pimrose nochmal hinter den Sattelpuper zug gedrückt.

Warum ist das nun ein visualisierungsproblem: Hätte man die zwischenschritte gesehen, wäre es leichter nachzuvollziehen. So muss man eben raten, wer was gemacht hat (was am plausibelsten ist) und kann sich dann das Ergebnis erklären.

In welchen Fällen jetzt ein Zug oder Fahrer ein abhängen provozieren ist (mir) nicht 100%ig klar, wann es dazu kommt das die Züge die Fahrspuren tauschen ist (mir) auch nicht klar, sieht man aber manchmal. Hier sind eben beide Fälle zusammengekommen.

Du hast nichts falsch gehabt sondern im Sprint einfach Pech gehabt. Passiert, hast ja das Rennen gewonnen, also so schlimm wars dann auch wieder nicht für dich :lol:
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Re: sprint is buggy

Post by flockmastoR » Thu Aug 28, 2025 8:58 am

team fl wrote:
Thu Aug 28, 2025 8:53 am
I have to say: Even looking at the replay where you see the movement, it's unclear what exactly happend. It seems Primrose loses the wheel immediatly at 250m and just sprints slower, moving in a direct line to the left while ending up three bike length behind the rider he had the wheel before. Maybe that's a visual thing too and it's just summing up the calculation in one weird move by Primerose, but as many pointed out before: It's impossible to find out what happened exactly just because of what you see.
Well thats exactly the difference to the flash way of the sprint animation, it could show intermediate movements, now its only a linear interpolation between start and end position
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Re: sprint is buggy

Post by bergwerk cycling » Thu Aug 28, 2025 8:59 am

not good ... but ok it was only in group 3 ... so ok. thks

Never saw this before, perhaps an inidividual case ... but for the case it will happen again it needs a second eye .-)

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Re: sprint is buggy

Post by bergwerk cycling » Thu Aug 28, 2025 9:02 am

@flocke: you took more than a 2nd eye ... dont saw it before i wrote.

Thanks for the detailed explanation! ... and like you sayed ... it was only behind .-)
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Re: sprint is buggy

Post by team fl » Thu Aug 28, 2025 9:02 am

flockmastoR wrote:
Thu Aug 28, 2025 8:58 am
team fl wrote:
Thu Aug 28, 2025 8:53 am
I have to say: Even looking at the replay where you see the movement, it's unclear what exactly happend. It seems Primrose loses the wheel immediatly at 250m and just sprints slower, moving in a direct line to the left while ending up three bike length behind the rider he had the wheel before. Maybe that's a visual thing too and it's just summing up the calculation in one weird move by Primerose, but as many pointed out before: It's impossible to find out what happened exactly just because of what you see.
Well thats exactly the difference to the flash way of the sprint animation, it could show intermediate movements, now its only a linear interpolation between start and end position
Ah, thanks, that explains it perfectly. Thought in your post before you only meant the static change (jump) during the sprint that happens every 50m, not in the replay.
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Re: sprint is buggy

Post by Berlin Marks » Thu Aug 28, 2025 9:03 am

Okay let’s try to figure out what happened:

250m:

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Art started to sprint at 250m, Salas seems to follow Seganti, promise following Latcze, latcze follows kool.

What happened in 200m?

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My guesses:
Salas realizes that Art started to sprint, so he changed his setting to follow Art

Art still sprinting

Seganti start the sprint to the left. Cause he is left of Art, Art is sprinting to the right I guess


Kool looks like he follows Art too, strange move, cause Art was even left of the second train


Since Kool and Salas tried to follow Art it’s the obvious thing how the sprint system works.

Kool and Latcze been in front of Salas, so they get right into the Wheel from Art. Salas and Claasen are in front of Primose so, they crashed into Primose and Latcze.

Only question is, why Primose is even behind of Courtois. Probably they are counting as train, so he would have landed behind even a bigger train? Or Courtois was way stronger than primose, so he took the advantage of being in front away?

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Re: sprint is buggy

Post by Berlin Marks » Thu Aug 28, 2025 9:05 am

Okay, flock‘s Interpretation klingt einleuchtender :)

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