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Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:44 pm
by Cerro Torre RT
well you know, at least that's what i do, i give Terray a helper on the flat stages instead of letting him help. OK it's another case for you as your GC chances were very low before that stage, but that's my method to prevent those things... just saw them too often.

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:50 pm
by Aixteam
Cerro Torre RT wrote:well you know, at least that's what i do, i give Terray a helper on the flat stages instead of letting him help. OK it's another case for you as your GC chances were very low before that stage, but that's my method to prevent those things... just saw them too often.
The thing is that I NEVER put Sheringham helping somebody .. I think I did a train for Davis to save something in the flat stage ... because Vega was out !

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:57 am
by Cerro Torre RT
mhmm ok, sprint is a different thing, would do that, too, probably.

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:51 am
by gaurain rx
I bet on Terray for Gk

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:04 am
by VC Aywaille
And for the weeper-price? I have my 2 favorits! :D

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:50 am
by Cerro Torre RT
Add yourself, too. It's allways quite funny to see how some start to snivel when they get a minus on the fairness votes, and aditionaly are not able to read the whole 3 words, but only the last 2.

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:35 pm
by VC Aywaille
"splitted team attack"

2 x 2 guys is not forbidden. So, you don't have to make some negative fair-play notes for this. It's why i answer to your negative. Don't cry (again) now...

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:50 pm
by Cerro Torre RT
You may note there can be a difference between cry an laugh, although both can produce tears.

The word "splitted team attack" does not nessessarily refer to a forbitten action. And not necessarily everything I consider to be unfair is forbidden. And too, it's not forbidden to give a negative fairness vote, whatever it might be for.

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:50 pm
by gaurain rx
VC Aywaille wrote:"splitted team attack"

2 x 2 guys is not forbidden. So, you don't have to make some negative fair-play notes for this. It's why i answer to your negative. Don't cry (again) now...
mmm... There, i agree with Cerro. It's his own fairness vote due to his way "seeing the fairness vote". So, It's normal he puts you a negative one. He did it too for me once when I made an attack like yours. Was a bit angry first but now, I understand it!

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:41 pm
by VC Aywaille
Ok, so my fairness point of vue is that i don't accept a negative vote for an action who is not forbidden. So, the discussion is over. If Cerro can have is fairness opinion, i can too: a 2x2 attack is not unfair and put a negative for this is not nice in my eyes... My move was a tactical option (and i don't regret, i receive what i expected) and i don't make this all the days (i think you can agree).

So, stop your stupid vendetta... This situation just give me the desire to make this action again. Not so productive for you to make like this i think... You can be sure that i make again if i think that it's beter for my team!

And Gaurain, i was thinking that you were for a logical fairness vote. Not some personal interpretations. It's a surprise for me...

What i don't like is that his sentence don't explain my move. If he say someting like "i don't like your double attack on 2 different km" it's not the same as his frustrated sentence... It's why i put -3. I don't regret and i cannot change this opinion.

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:06 pm
by Bear
You make a mountain out of a molehill. It's just a fairness vote, don't take this too serious.

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:11 pm
by VC Aywaille
I don't care, it's also not me who spoke about this, just about the weeper-comportment during the race. ;)

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:16 pm
by gaurain rx
VC Aywaille wrote: And Gaurain, i was thinking that you were for a logical fairness vote. Not some personal interpretations. It's a surprise for me...
I am Aywaille, but as long as the system is not so, I can't "blame" the one who acts so!

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:18 pm
by Robyklebt
I will give you all -3 the next time I ride against you if it makes you happy.

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:29 pm
by Cerro Torre RT
-3 doesn't cause happyness, only in partnership with a good comment. But yes, there are comments that are just better with a -3 in front.

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:32 pm
by gaurain rx
Robyklebt wrote:I will give you all -3 the next time I ride against you if it makes you happy.
Haha, le nul se mèle à la conversation :)

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:37 pm
by Robyklebt
:?: Aix n'a rien dit...

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:39 pm
by gaurain rx
Robyklebt wrote::?: Aix n'a rien dit...
En même temps, je pense que je vais bientôt récupérer ton surnom ;)

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:39 pm
by Aixteam
Robyklebt wrote::?: Aix n'a rien dit...
Pfff ! Dalcin superstar !

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:04 pm
by el Galactico
Read his first sentences in the chat of today, best decision for this tour! Nothing more to say...

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:35 pm
by Bear
You ALL have to calm down. This behaviour is just ridiculous.

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:47 pm
by VC Aywaille
Yes calm down gala, make this for the community. Puis comme ça j'aurai plus à supporter les gémissements de vierge effarouchée de ce barakie... 8-)

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:04 pm
by el Galactico
Very classy comment little child. But what means barakie??

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:16 pm
by VC Aywaille

Re: Vuelta 18:00

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:48 pm
by Cerro Torre RT
Rankings first, comment then...

Lionel Terray -2.20
Benjamin Gourgue -0.55
Wesley Boogerd -0.07

Heinrich Quinthardt +0.00

Roberto Vera +0.05
Ethan Heinhardt +0.14
Erik Huseklepp +0.35
Felix Raufe +0.42
Noé Charby +1.36


Comparison to last chart:

Lionel Terray -0.27
Wesley Boogerd -0.11

Heinrich Quinthardt +0.00

Benjamin Gourgue +0.00
Roberto Vera +0.00
Ethan Heinhardt +0.00
Erik Huseklepp +0.00
Felix Raufe +0.00
Noé Charby +0.36


The festival of mistakes. First the superstupid attack of Terray and Silva which had to cost him the victory but didn't. Next was Gourge who attacked too early, and Boogerd who tried to follow, and last Heinhardt who didn't make the 6 and Quinthardt who didin't fight and got sieved, although i am still suprised that he really has been. In the end Terray was superlucky and won the stage. He could have won more advantage, probably 10s or something like that, but I don't care right now, not losing the bonification is so much more then I deserved today. Best team was, like yesterday, was Aix, he would have deserved the win. And for the early group, I am suprised, they lost something like 8:20 on the last 14 km, so quite close to my estimation. Good guess.