Afternoon Giro 2011!

[Allagen]

Today it looks like a big Nipp Day. Well, it was a big Nipp day! But tomorrow, oh my god, i´m so afraid of the stage. the hole team with massiv regproblems. eieieieieieieiei. we need a day without a race on sunday, not on munday! But nevertheless, nipp is very happy.

[Robyklebt]

Great attack by Nipp yesterday, this time BW reacted ok I think, but was hard to react. Too bad Urganov was just too dead to even try to follow. Ok, was the attack blue or red, don't know... blue he follows, red not. But... Urganov there wouldn't have helped Nipp, with less energy he simply couldn't have helped too much unless he get's the promise of the stage win, so in the end good for Allagen to go without the Kasack. Second "loser" of the day, Stockdale, he too should have been there like Urganov. And there the cooperation probably would have worked. And then BW would really have had a big problem on his hand, because while Nipp should be fairly dead today, even with Schmalzbrot fairly fit to help him, today it shouldn't be too hard for BW giving him the time he gained yesterday back. If it's Stockdale and Nipp... then they have more energy and gain more time... BW (and other?) would have had to really go hard to contain them.

Excellent attack though, didn't see that coming at that point, Allagen in the escape, yes, but when he went I though it wouldn't happen anymore. Great stage win and rosa for a day. White too, grrr. But again, for the moment white is not really a goal yet.

Today will be very hard for many riders... among them at least 2 with Banana jerseys, Todea and Wei, my great time trialists who should bring money in Milano.... FL, save them!

Might come late today, hope not, but knowing the apeess.... bah, ZL should sit the first few minutes if I'm late... unless he forgets or decides has better things to do. We'll see.

[Lizard]

Stupid thing is Stockdale was on 1000 after his stage win, I just even though I expected the Watson + Erdemann attack didn't do tempo with him, very very stupid...

[Allagen]

Stats after 14 stages:

Team FL:

Climbpoints: 45

Sprintpoints: 164

Total: 209

Bergwerk:

Climbpoints: 20

Sprintpoints: 237

Total: 257

US Lecce:

Climbpoints: 13

Sprintpoints: 195

Total: 208

Wizard:

Climbpoints: 22

Sprintpoints: 174

Total: 196

Roby:

Climbpoints: 26

Sprintpoints: 145

Total: 171

The Owl:

Climbpoints: 12

Sprintpoints: 136

Total: 148

RV Allagen:

Climbpoints: 74

Sprintpoints: 276

Total: 350

Flocke:

Climbpoints: 28

Sprintpoints: 210

Total: 238

Demuth:

Climbpoints: 0

Sprintpoints: 90

Total: 90

Gaurain:

Climbpoints: 68

Sprintpoints: 154

Total: 222

Psycho:

Climbpoints: 2

Sprintpoints: 50

Total: 52

Leoparkd:

Climbpoints: 35

Sprintpoints: 96

Total: 131

Team Schwalbe:

Climbpoints: 28

Sprintpoints: 25

Total: 53

JJ:

Climbpoints: 24

Sprintpoints: 30

Total: 54

Noir:

Climbpoints: 20

Sprintpoints: 84

Total: 104

Rospi:

Climbpoints: 3

Sprintpoints: 9

Total: 12


Teams Total:

1. RV Allagen - 350
2. Bergwerk - 257
3. Flocke -238
4. Gaurain - 222
5. Fl - 209
6. Lecce - 208
7. Wiz - 196
9. Roby - 171
10. The Owl - 148
11. Leopark - 131
12. Noir - 104
13. Demuth - 90
14. JJ - 54
15. Schwalbe - 53
16. Psycho - 52
17. Rospi - 12

[Lizard]

Eddy was in fucking Urganov's wheel, why doesnt he follow? Why? This ruins all I was working for at this stage. FUCK GIRO!!!! Pfff.... I finish this stage, I dont know if I want to return to this tour now. BULLSHIT!!!

[Allagen]

really crazy stage today. 755 power left with all 9 riders but it was a second great stage. i was really afraid of losing 4-5 minutes today, because schmalzbrot was the only fit rider and nipp started with 864 or something like that. so 1:04 min is brillant. i like. 1 week ago, i do not believe that nipp is able to ride for gk top 10, now he is. great.

[flockmastoR]

that was hell of a stage today!

Now it seems Erdemann is able to win the Giro. the hardest part is over

[Allagen]

that was hell of a stage today!

Now it seems Erdemann is able to win the Giro. the hardest part is over

jab, i think the some. dodo will win the giro. it looks good. bergwerk did a great job today. congrats opi

[Robyklebt]

Well for the first time he actually didn't ride for Watson and Magallon. That's what BW basically did for a long time, don't use them (like yesterday in the downhill instead of killing Björnby) for Erdemann, let them make money. Today not... well, killed Watson early, stupid Urganov fighting on, don't know why, thought put it off as usual with the good ones... wää..

Nipp? Top 10 was clear from the start, and if you didn't believe it you're an idiot Now he'll win the white too, easily btw.

Today, first big mistake by the APE, Qian 2 km or so too early. Then Watson doesn't catch him I think. And then I have the group I wanted more or less, ok wanted Wei in front to save him basically... .but ok, Qian later, even 3 km, if BW isn't very very close, 5" or so at the top, it makes no sense for him to continue, and the group is gone. From there then... either go for the stage with Qian, was a possibility, or see what's possible with Urganov/Fahrny later. But bad attack, good reaction by BW.. one of 2 good ones, second one is one km with Watson and then come back with Potts. Let the group ride, but won't get a huge advantage.

Second mistake in the great attack on BW by Wizard and Ape by Wizard this time... the group, second try, has 5 min, why wake BW up? Just let the group gain more... you have 3 guys in front.. 1 of yours, 2 of mine.. Stockdale on Urganov, Eickendreyer on Fahrny, easy. And let BW sleep. The third or so attack then... that one was fairly doomed from the start due to Owl and Allagen in the group. As BW I would have added Magallon actually. there IMO it was clear that after the Fedaia it would all come back pretty close together, the first group just wouldn't have flat riders.. the ones in the back yes. And as we saw the first group was caught.. second group only 2 dead guys basically, Nipp and Urganov, not sure why nobody else even tried to follow Urganov... ok, wizard.. and if he does then BW is in more trouble. But anyway, didn't, Nipp came with 47" bonus to the last climb, lost all and more as expected...


Still, now Dodo has won? Pff, bullshit. He still is the favorite, has less opponents, but many more than he really should have at this point. Corvia, Fahrny, Schrödinger, Sveringson by not riding for Watson all the time by maybe just not doing the double attack each time, he could have gotten 1' or so more to these guys easily. Nipp a different case. So at this point he really should have managed to make it a duel vs Girard. With outsiders, maybe Schrödinger still kind of there, the rest less. Instead he has 7 riders in 1'25" (ok, 1'21" since Girard is rosa) 7 riders of 7 different teams, with 6 of them looking to beat him now. Yes he will gain more time on most in the MTT and the final TT. Still, instead of having them 2-3' he has them at less than a minute, only virtual 3'... Allagen and Lecce, 2 of the strongest teams still there. Schrödinger a huge danger due to his flat, Fahrny with Qian and Urganov not a bad team on top either, Sveringson, ok, he seems happy to just fight for white, probably more a help for BW than a danger. Girard, who needs time on him too now, how.. we'll see. So, yeah, Dodo is the favorite he was 1 week ago, but actually IMO finally he is one of the losers of this 3 days. Instead of making it 1vs1 against Girard, a fight he would very likely win, he has 4 other guys inside a minute, 2 just outside.

Wizard the obvious loser of the day, Fahrny too though. Mastrangelo as well, but less, for him it made more sense to ride for stages already before today. Attack or from the back.. we'll see what he does.

[The Owl]

big thanks to Nopik who sit me today!

[Allagen]

Nipp? Top 10 was clear from the start, and if you didn't believe it you're an idiot Now he'll win the white too, easily btw.

you know that nipp lost 27-30 seconds at the TTT, and 2 minutes with 2 attacks in the first week. so he lost something about 2:30 min and gk 13-16 was realistic. i do not believe that nipp was able to finish the 3 hc stages at position 1, 3 and 7. i thought he lose a lot of time, especially today.

[Robyklebt]

Of course.. but as a leader believing top 10 was impossible would really make you an idiot. Which of course you aren't so you knew that you would end up in the top 10... now you're in the fight for the win, that you didn't believe that, ok.

[team fl]

I thought I could have a top ten place for Luigi, but now it seems out of range, but not impossible. But perhaps it was good to lose some time in the GC yesterday. Now Luigi is not such a threat for the Maglia Rosa, so perhaps, a stage win is more possible. This also because of the situation that Girard and Erdemann are focused on each other. For sure, the main goal is now to save the mountain jersey, which suits him very nice. For me, it was just a bit unlucky to miss the important part of the stage, but important family issues were waiting. Funnily, I did not feel as sad about the result as on other days during this Giro... Good sign?

For the rest, Bergwerk and Owl are now in pole position. Still very nice done by Nipp and the likes. Wizard was not so lucky. Besides Girard and Erdemann, the winner for me yesterday was Sveringson. Being quiet, almost stoic, getting among the top ten and still chances for white, although Nipp will be hard to beat, especially when looking forward to the last TT-stage.

The Ciclamino is also not decided yet. Schrödinger perhaps the favorite, but I am sure Putz and Erdemann will also have a say about it. Pandev seems already a bit out of reach, the rest is just too far away.

Today Team FL will have an early breakfast and a regeneration walk around Belluno. Then the riders will visit the TT-track, eat lots of carbs and have a good sleep. Well, Chuck will perhaps do not have such a good sleep, but a good time indeed.

[team fl]

Oh, I have only 6 riders left, I realise now...

[flockmastoR]

so? nipp is winning white easily but Erdemann is in big danger for the GC? hmhm

[Robyklebt]

Bigger danger than he expected to be at this point I think. I still think he will win it though.

[team fl]

Third week of the GIro begins! And it starts with today's mountain-TT. Favorites are of course: Erdemann and Girard. Will be a nice fight for the Maglia Rosa, with a slight advantage for Erdemann, not knowing the from settings. Behind, perhaps looking a bit more for the regeneration, is Luigi.

Stockdale and Nipp will also be interesting to watch, as well as the fight for white between Nipp, Fahrny (if he's fit...) and Sveringson. It may not be decided today, but perhaps gets a bit closer, although Nipp's TT-skill looks advantageous. And, Corvia from US Lecce fights for his podium place, also against Nipp.

At the end, there are even mountain points to gain (cat. 1), hopefully some for Luigi too.

Well, guess that's it from FL so far.

[Allagen]

today it´s to hilly for nipp. 60 zf is not so important today. with only 83 climb he is to weak i think. take a look at the 10 h race. but at the end of the tour, 60 zf is good to have

[team fl]

I know. And I said nothing about a Nipp win. Comes out clearly in my post, just read more carfully .

[Allagen]

like me, i didn´t talk about a win. you have to read more carefully my friend i just said that 60 zf is not so important today. but after the stage, i know that 60 zf is also important at this hilly stage?! though luigi and some other climbers were much stronger today. did luigi start with 1000 power or ride with 100 %? hmmm.

[Allagen]

today the post went up my lovely mister singingclub

a lot of attacks, bergwerk worked all the time, yeah, nice. i like. the next days will be interessting.

[bergwerk cycling]

today the post went up my lovely mister singingclub

a lot of attacks, bergwerk worked all the time, yeah, nice. i like. the next days will be interessting.

Don't let the old man work so hard ... i don't really expected it for today!
3 days anymore until the final timetrial and a break for me.

[Allagen]

today, bad timing of my attacks. but okay, it was a nice fight. but i do think that dodo will win the tour without any big problems.

[Robyklebt]

Mmh, don't really think BW covered too well today. Was so obvious the attack would be coming... why didn't he just cover the downhill after you rode with Hilti for ages? Or in the end? He would simply spend less that way.

The attacks, badly executed IMO and not thought out. So probably we can expect a good one again tomorrow... But the problem is: I would have bet 50 Euro that you try something. Except BW, not sure what he is thinking sometimes, probably nobody would have taken that bet against me... so everybody was prepared, on your wheel,by going with Schmalzbrot before the mountain, even BW knew what's coming then.

And be honest in the chat "front group: I asked 30 km ago and got no reaction." You got reactions. No need to ride since we have 20' and nobody is riding in the back. Why spend energy for nothing? The only one who then didn't react was you. After riding became necessary....

[team fl]

GW Roby, grrrr... Have to talk a word with Falke...