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ABC-ESPN Pro Team team attack

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:49 pm
by scorpsche
In today's Binch 21h race:

Km: 97, Steigung: 0
Vale Neri (ABC-ESPN Pro Team ) attackiert
Chris Lush (ABC-ESPN Pro Team ) attackiert
Wendy James (ABC-ESPN Pro Team ) attackiert

Re: ABC-ESPN Pro Team team attack

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:52 am
by Hunsrueck
fpc is reviewing this case

Re: ABC-ESPN Pro Team team attack

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:27 am
by auxilium torino
after 1 or 2 km ABC let rider fail back...is nothing unfair, was an error probably, but SWE want create a problem also here...

Re: ABC-ESPN Pro Team team attack

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:52 am
by scorpsche
auxilium torino wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:27 am
after 1 or 2 km ABC let rider fail back...is nothing unfair, was an error probably, but SWE want create a problem also here...
Few questions...
1. Are you FPC?
2. If yes show us the rules where is written: letting fall back riders prevent any penalty
3. Do you have proof that ABC let fall the riders?
4. I wonder how you can remember a race more than 2 weeks ago where you weren't riding...

Re: ABC-ESPN Pro Team team attack

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:30 am
by luques
scorpsche wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:52 am
auxilium torino wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:27 am
after 1 or 2 km ABC let rider fail back...is nothing unfair, was an error probably, but SWE want create a problem also here...
Few questions...
1. Are you FPC?
2. If yes show us the rules where is written: letting fall back riders prevent any penalty
3. Do you have proof that ABC let fall the riders?
4. I wonder how you can remember a race more than 2 weeks ago where you weren't riding...
But at least you could provide more details. Same thing I said to spree.

He did a team attack and after what happened? Because misclicking can happen, and there is a world of difference between persisting in your team attack and influencing the result or dropping the km after.

Instead of doing questions, just give more informations.
Otherwise, clearly, what Auxi said will be taken into consideration, as nobody is saying nothing different.

Re: ABC-ESPN Pro Team team attack

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:24 pm
by Hunsrueck
auxilium torino wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:27 am
after 1 or 2 km ABC let rider fail back...is nothing unfair, was an error probably, but SWE want create a problem also here...

Thanks for the informations. Had been waiting for further information from the team involved.

Re: ABC-ESPN Pro Team team attack

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:18 pm
by scorpsche
luques wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:30 am
scorpsche wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:52 am
auxilium torino wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:27 am
after 1 or 2 km ABC let rider fail back...is nothing unfair, was an error probably, but SWE want create a problem also here...
Few questions...
1. Are you FPC?
2. If yes show us the rules where is written: letting fall back riders prevent any penalty
3. Do you have proof that ABC let fall the riders?
4. I wonder how you can remember a race more than 2 weeks ago where you weren't riding...
But at least you could provide more details. Same thing I said to spree.

He did a team attack and after what happened? Because misclicking can happen, and there is a world of difference between persisting in your team attack and influencing the result or dropping the km after.

Instead of doing questions, just give more informations.
Otherwise, clearly, what Auxi said will be taken into consideration, as nobody is saying nothing different.
Well if this is the measurement imo FPC shouldn't have punished JoyRide for e.g. for his follow "team-attack" where he also let fall the riders after.
Either FPC punishes team-attacks regardless further development or not.
Otherwise it's not objective (dt. "Auslegungssache").

And also strange why these questions coming from you while I'm asking Aux.

Most important: if you open that can of worms "I missclicked" ...well everybody will write in future "it was a missclick".
Team attack is a team attack.
Imo same rules for everybody or no rules!

Re: ABC-ESPN Pro Team team attack

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:22 pm
by scorpsche
Just to add more information as far as I remember them (it is a while ago).
The attack was not successful obviously.
I don't remember if he let fall or not...I think the escape was catched but he ride a few km without dropping.
It is my first post to report a team attack so I will next time include this information right away.