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I know, I know, you will say its very petty. Personally I am have no objection to people who team attack vs no opponents, it saves time when it should be an easy win. But the way Pharon has gone about this race makes me want to open this thread.

Km: 3, Gradient: -1
Ahmed Zewail (Pharaon) attacks
Milhouse Vanhouten (Pharaon) attacks
Dudi Sela (Pharaon) attacks

Km: 2, Gradient: 0
Amita Dipendra (Pharaon) attacks

The rest of the race is all his riders in tempo, getting progressivly faster.

Here is chat:


High Flyer: and? I see people who rob other people, does that make it okay?
Pharaon: and? i do lot of short race with a other team who play team attack
High Flyer: and you do it anyway, then when i tell you, you STILL dont drop a rider
High Flyer: but you are vs me
High Flyer: yes, against noone
Pharaon: all team , play team attack in short race
High Flyer: drop a rider, and you refuse, you have enough race experiance to know dropping a rider sloves problem easily
High Flyer: i said it about 5 times
High Flyer: no
Pharaon: you can do other short race after and all team attack in short race
Pharaon: pfff
Pharaon: for short race
High Flyer: and you acknowledge you are wrong to do it, but refuse to drop, and that part annoys me to no ends
Pharaon: if stop i loose because i have don't sprinteur
High Flyer: okay, this is your last chance or i open thread, i dont mind team attacks vs noone, but you are clearly racing me
Pharaon: now in escape don't stop
High Flyer: or now as you speak to me
High Flyer: so why didt you drop them when i told you 15km ago
Pharaon: yes i think be alone is why i have attack
High Flyer: you've ridden 17km after team attack and about 12km after I told you it wasnt allowed
High Flyer: Km: 3, Gradient: -1Ahmed Zewail (Pharaon) attacks Milhouse Vanhouten (Pharaon) attacks Dudi Sela (Pharaon) attacks
Pharaon: i think be alone
High Flyer: drop one rider or i report
High Flyer: come on man its a short race
High Flyer: team attack



Mian chat:
High Flyer<18:40>: atlleast, at the very least, admit your attack was wrong
High Flyer<18:39>: and all you exuses are that you thought the race was empty, that everyone else does it and that you had no chance anyway
High Flyer<18:38>: ther next 30km i told you consistenyl to drop and you didnt
High Flyer<18:38>: in the first 10km, you were told you drop a rider and you didnt
High Flyer<18:38>: you spoke to me
High Flyer<18:37>: why dont you understand? it doesnt matter
Pharaon<18:36>: Par contre si j'avais su que tu faisait la course j'aurais pris un sprinteur et non pas une team entièrement composé de rouleur
Pharaon<18:35>: je n'avais pas de sprinteur avec moi, donc je n'aurais pas pu gagner cette course
Pharaon<18:34>: oh good
High Flyer<18:34>: becuase I spoke in the chat and you replied
High Flyer<18:34>: whether you thought that i was or wasnt in the race doesnt matter, why cant you understand that
High Flyer<18:33>: you do relaise that I said drop a rider, and you didnt?
High Flyer<18:33>: and?
Pharaon<18:31>: Si j'avais su qu'une autre personne fesait la course j'aurais pris un sprinteur.
Pharaon<18:31>: c'est ma logic point barre, dans tout les cas je n'avais pas de sprinteur, donc tu aurais gagné
High Flyer<18:29>: not vs other real players
High Flyer<18:29>: your logic that if everyone else does it then it is fine, it fails when you remember that people do it vs COMP
High Flyer<18:29>: just copy and paste that line as your response
Pharaon<18:29>: ?? in what ?
High Flyer<18:29>: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=5284
High Flyer<18:28>: what kind of logic is that?
Pharaon<18:28>: *violé
Pharaon<18:27>: A partir du moment où tout le monde fait la même chose, je n'ai brisé aucune règle.
High Flyer<18:27>: did you take advantage of it (e.g. speed up)? yes
High Flyer<18:27>: did you avenge you rule breaking? no
Pharaon<18:27>: non
High Flyer<18:27>: did you know you broke i? yes
High Flyer<18:26>: did you break a rule? yes
Pharaon<18:22>: is a short race....
Pharaon<18:22>: nothing to blame me
Pharaon<18:21>: no insulting
High Flyer<18:21>: sure sure, when you run out of a proper argument just say move to insulting
Pharaon<18:20>: I don't speak with a litlle player who do as me in other short race.
Pharaon<18:20>: bla bla bla.
High Flyer<18:19>: sure sure, dont forget to reply to thread okay?
Pharaon<18:19>: little player
High Flyer<18:19>: look, all you had to do was drop 1 rider, you had 4 in a break
High Flyer<18:19>: and what kind of excuse is everyone does it? lots of people commit steal, and most go unpunished, so I can too?
Pharaon<18:19>: a cheater lol
High Flyer<18:18>: ireelevent if it a short race, I dont just throw around 25mins on someone who cheats, ackowledge they cheat and then refuses to drop back
Pharaon<18:17>: tu en pense quoi mez?
Mez Team Belgium<18:16>: mdrr
Pharaon<18:16>: tout le monde fait ça même lui
Pharaon<18:16>: le mec est sérieux pour une short race
High Flyer<18:11>: even though he attacks with 3 in 1km
High Flyer<18:11>: cause Pharon has is riding as fast a possible whilst i tell him to drop a rider
High Flyer<18:10>: do team attack rules still apply in short races vs real opponents?


I told his to drop as it was a team attack about 5km, and then many times after that, but he goes faster. Normally, I would let him off if he drops a rider but here he:
TeAam Attacks
Acknowledge that he done it
Says he does it because he thought he was alone (???)
Acknowledges I ask him to drop a rider - and refuses
Repeats above several times
Then speeds up

Do what you like FPC, I dont like wasting 30mins on nonsense like this from someone who refuses to even admit he made a mistake

Let me say one more time before someone comments on it:
I have no problem with team attack vs no human opponents, it saves time, but vs others and after warning is a different scenario.

EDIT:
High Flyer<18:51>: even though you attack with 3 riders in km3?
High Flyer<18:51>: so you did not break the rule that says you cant attack with more than 2 riders in one km
Pharaon<18:51>: and no
Pharaon<18:51>: NO NO NO
Pharaon<18:51>: No
Pharaon<18:50>: mais quand tu vois qu'il y a plusieurs équipes sur la course, alors oui tu prends une équipe de sprinteur.
High Flyer<18:50>: did you break this rule? yes or no?
Pharaon<18:49>: Mais bordel , quand tu fais une short race seul pour gagner des points course tu prends une équipe de rouleur
High Flyer<18:49>: did you break this rule? yes or no?

Doesnt even want to admit he broke a rule, at the very least correct him on that.

Tout a été dit sur le Tchat du jeu

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=4216&start=25

i was banned at first and later got a 750k fine, lets see what will happen to a not ptt guy

The excuses you have used in main chat are:

You thought the race vs no humans
Everyone else does it
You had no chance if you didn't attack
You didn't break any rules


Fantastic, this man is clearly innocent
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Guys , i'll speak in French to Pharaon just for this case..


Sérieux, Pharaon, t'es aucunement défendable. T'attaques avec 3 gars au même km, tu sais très bien que c'est interdit, pourquoi tu admets pas que c'était délibéré? Parce que concrètement, là tu vas passer pour le têtu de service qui en fait qu'à sa tête, juste pour une short race random...

Alors oui une short race, c'est chiant surtout quand on a des pts course à aller chercher mais tu sais très bien que les règles sont les MEMES en short race et en course normale.. est-ce qu'en course normale tu l'aurais fait?
Au moins, assume, sérieux..

fpc is reviewing this case.

Clear Team Attack. Short races or not changes nothing, if there is a rule it should be respected, doesn't mind if you are alone or there are 10 - 100 - 1000 people.

1000 people in a short race sounds buggy.

Robyklebt wrote:1000 people in a short race sounds buggy.

Sounds like typical NC day to me.

ok that "those" members of the fpk dont want to know anything about my case anymore bc it would show how they work...
at least keep in mind you gave the other guy involved a 100k fine, too but it really doesnt surprise me that there are still some of the same guys involved and now trying to give no warning and less of a fine

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=4218#p80366

ProTour-Team wrote:ok that "those" members of the fpk dont want to know anything about my case anymore bc it would show how they work...
at least keep in mind you gave the other guy involved a 100k fine, too but it really doesnt surprise me that there are still some of the same guys involved and now trying to give no warning and less of a fine

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=4218#p80366

Oh come on. Its not about you all the time. Looks a bit like a like a self centred narcissist who cant get over the past if you ask me. You are off topic anyway if you dont have to add something to this particular case. If you want to complain about the FPK, open another thread. You should be getting used to it by now anyway.

Actually it should be about him more often.

Do we need somebody like him in the game? Somebody who has had... how many teams exactly my dear PTT? Ah, no answer., He should be banned with all teams forever. Or pay something around 100 Euros just to be admitted to play with one team without a licence.

you understood that the mentioned thread isnt mine?

ProTour-Team wrote:you understood that the mentioned thread isnt mine?

I understand that you hijack threads for your own crusade against the FPK and hence interfer in a constructive discussion abpout the case (if thats possible...).

a no would have been enough

ProTour-Team wrote:a no would have been enough

only half the fun . Anyway, let's do this via PM or a separate thread.

well if thats so important to you.. i will happily repeat that my posted thread actually is a really good comparison

ProTour-Team wrote:well if thats so important to you.. i will happily repeat that my posted thread actually is a really good comparison

It seems you didn't get my message either. But that's it from my side. As it's not important at all, but mostly annoying.

PENALTY SUBMITTED: FINE OF100000, WARNING: NO