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Teams who do nothing all race. Just suck and come in the end to win.I understand everyone is allowed to ride as they like and I have generally no problem with it, however I feel like these teamsdestroy the game and it might be the most/only fun they get out off it. Most are suspected multies too.

Maybe don't directly ban them but invent a new fair play role or say at a total of -50 fairnesspoints you're automatically invested by the FP-comitee.
Looking forward to get a response, especially from one of the accused teams.

IMO, you can't force someone to ride,even if he's favo. It's sad but, it's he game. I don't like them too but i'm against this kind of fair-play rules.
Anyway, you can often beat them by riding more aggressively so, do it.

Could be worth to check Lumbi and Gambrinus...

Both teams with with a team building that look like a multi-team. Same race-behaviour and same chat-attitude...which means sucking, dont paticipate on the chat and winning at the end with superior classic riders...

Could be twins...or a multi. If my suspicion is right, there could be more teams from this manager because the Gambrinus- and Lumbi-riders are getting old and it seems to be to late to replace them for younger ones.

Short check:

Gambrinus and Team Aut with the same IP---> viewtopic.php?f=16&t=4055&start=25

Team Lumbi and Gabel with the same IP today

and all of them happily riding on

Why should they be ban ?

Same problem as team belloz / TUTTI FRUTTI (and 2 more teams...) IP check is useless, a multi team manager has just to say "we are brother" "we work in the same place".

I will probably ride VUELTA then using the same artefact.

Jägermeistercycle?

I am watching you...

We can ban them.
The question is why we should.

If there are really teams around that always make ultra expensive teams for big tours and after that just start a new team we should 1) try to avoid that or 2) kill the rule that doesnt allows managers with just 1 team to race with minus money

Otherwise it would be just a way to bypass the rule

Quick wrote:Teams who do nothing all race. Just suck and come in the end to win.I understand everyone is allowed to ride as they like and I have generally no problem with it, however I feel like these teamsdestroy the game and it might be the most/only fun they get out off it. Most are suspected multies too.

Maybe don't directly ban them but invent a new fair play role or say at a total of -50 fairnesspoints you're automatically invested by the FP-comitee.
Looking forward to get a response, especially from one of the accused teams.

Always like the idea of making fairnesspoints count. At the moment they are useless, so I agree with this "invent a new fair play role or say at a total of -50 fairnesspoints you're automatically invested by the FP-comitee."

Ansach: 1573 racè and 49 won.
Team Lumbi: 578 racè and 98 won.
In samè racè, Team Lumbi favo and off (sèèm not first timè). Ansach far no favo work much. Ansach attack (72 79 sprint 59 ) at -23 followèd by Team Lumbi (76 78 sprint 65 ) no comuncation but Ansach continuè alonè to work. at -3 Ansach attack and no onè follow but racè was ovèr with front at 1 min.
Timè to find anothèr way to control multy? or you want wait will almost all fair tèam will stop to play borèd of this?

Another strange race.
Lotto-Soudal work all race just because wasn't in front but no chance to win.
Team Grambrinus clear favo start to work in peloton just after Lotto-Soudal has no more power to control and win easy.
No same IP but it's 1 more race that show the IP control is not enought.

Coroncina2 wrote:Another strange race.
Lotto-Soudal work all race just because wasn't in front but no chance to win.
Team Grambrinus clear favo start to work in peloton just after Lotto-Soudal has no more power to control and win easy.
No same IP but it's 1 more race that show the IP control is not enought.

Burn the witch!

team fl wrote:

Coroncina2 wrote:Another strange race.
Lotto-Soudal work all race just because wasn't in front but no chance to win.
Team Grambrinus clear favo start to work in peloton just after Lotto-Soudal has no more power to control and win easy.
No same IP but it's 1 more race that show the IP control is not enought.

Burn the witch!

So when someone will help me to win without chance to win or I'll help a team killing my riders for 4° place would be normal.

Coroncina2 wrote:

team fl wrote:

Coroncina2 wrote:Another strange race.
Lotto-Soudal work all race just because wasn't in front but no chance to win.
Team Grambrinus clear favo start to work in peloton just after Lotto-Soudal has no more power to control and win easy.
No same IP but it's 1 more race that show the IP control is not enought.

Burn the witch!

So when someone will help me to win without chance to win or I'll help a team killing my riders for 4° place would be normal.

Burn Coroncina!

than please ban the offline rider Sierra de Madrid too
He is a parasite

I still think that everybody during the race is free to make the tactic he prefer.
I like anyway the first proposal by Quick.

luques wrote:I still think that everybody during the race is free to make the tactic he prefer.
I like anyway the first proposal by Quick.

Me too, still.