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Sitter for every stage of a tour
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:14 am
by Alkworld
In Denmark's 10am edition the question arose, if RFM has a sitter for every single stage of this tour. Apparently it's not written anywhere that this would be forbidden, but it's still questionable.
1) Question to RFM: Is it really like that? (No answer during this tour would imply it's true
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2) If yes, should RFM still be allowed to join this tour?
RideforMoney: Salut les gens , j'vais probablement courir Danemark à dix heures à partir du 31.. et comme vous le savez , j'suis pas là entre le 31 et le 2 ( peut être le 3 mais pas sur )... enfin bref. J'ai juste besoin d'un sitter.
Equipe Mathematique: problem is just that its not clearly forbidden anywhere, i think
RideforMoney: i hope he will come back second or third
Alkworld: I'm writing a forum post
RideforMoney: not sure at all, against me he said 2 or 3 but i saw him saying in chat 4th
Equipe Mathematique: thats even worse than sitting in oneday races
ChartreuseCycle: but we should clarify
ChartreuseCycle: am not sure
Alkworld: agree
Equipe Mathematique: if its true that he isnt there for a single day he should be kicked imo
Equipe Mathematique: wtf?
ChartreuseCycle: as far as I know he registered and found a sitter for EACH day...
ChartreuseCycle: RASTA do you know when RFM will be active on this tour ?
RideforMoney: i dont know, the same day i will go on holidays --'
Equipe Mathematique: hm
Equipe Mathematique: "the first days"
Alkworld: so you'll sit him five days?
Re: Sitter for every stage of a tour
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:24 am
by chartreusecycle
BE CAREFULL
RFM is just using the rules as they are today: sitting or tour is allowed / sitting on one day race is not.
To me RFM should NOT be kick-out of this tour as he does not break the rule BUT a new rule should be implemented for sitting: a manager should ride enough stages himself to not be kicked out by a 60% rule.
Re: Sitter for every stage of a tour
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:30 am
by Rockstar Inc
so far it's not forbidden...
problem is, you can't control it...until buhmann finally shows up again after weeks(months?) and change the "sitting-function" to something usefull.....so i guess in 5,6 month or he doesn't change it all, cause it's not important in his point of view ...enough ideas were posted in the past
Re: Sitter for every stage of a tour
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:33 am
by team fl
And again, this case calls for a reform of a sitting system, resp. calls for the introduction of an ingame sitting option in the sitter's account instead of just accessing the account who is sitted. Then you could easily let the offline rule work for the sitted account, as it is clearly (and technically) visible, if the account(-owner) itself or a sitter is online.
Re: Sitter for every stage of a tour
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:36 am
by Rockstar Inc
team fl wrote:And again, this case calls for a reform of a sitting system, resp. calls for the introduction of an ingame sitting option in the sitter's account instead of just accessing the account who is sitted. Then you could easily let the offline rule work for the sitted account, as it is clearly (and technically) visible, if the account(-owner) itself or a sitter is online.
should be the best idea @this topic
Re: Sitter for every stage of a tour
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:47 am
by chartreusecycle
Team Stone-Cold FL <3
Fully agree
Re: Sitter for every stage of a tour
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:16 pm
by luques
Rockstar Inc wrote:so far it's not forbidden...
problem is, you can't control it...until buhmann finally shows up again after weeks(months?) and change the "sitting-function" to something usefull
Same as the multi-thing, what you do of a rule if you can't control it?
But ok insert it in the fair play rules because actually it is legal...
The idea of FL seems to work well, i have only one doubt:
The system is made to sit someone by your account right? What happens if instead of doing this i give him the password as i do right now? there is a system that can check this?
For example PTT sitting Maurice, with this system PTT wasn't able to sit him by his account, but if he had the Maurice pwd nothing would have changed, am i missing something? I was thinking of IP check but can be easily bypassed.
Re: Sitter for every stage of a tour
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:08 pm
by team fl
luques wrote:The system is made to sit someone by your account right? What happens if instead of doing this i give him the password as i do right now? there is a system that can check this?
For example PTT sitting Maurice, with this system PTT wasn't able to sit him by his account, but if he had the Maurice pwd nothing would have changed, am i missing something? I was thinking of IP check but can be easily bypassed.
That's a back door indeed. I can't think of a technical solution for that problem, but I would simply forbid that. And with "that" I mean both: accessing another account than your own and facilitating others to access your account (incl. exchange of passwords etc.). If an abuse or breach of that rule is detected, ban both accounts. Of course you will have the same problems like in the current PTT case. But by being very strict in such cases and just say NO to ANY possibility with severe penalties if detected would at least prevent the most attempts, imo.
Re: Sitter for every stage of a tour
Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:48 am
by Rockstar Inc
rfm was able to blabla in the chat for 2h in the evening
but getting sitted 5/5 stages @denmark...good joke
Re: Sitter for every stage of a tour
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:55 pm
by luques
I want a fair play reform!
Anyway one of the most ridiculous thing is the planned sitter, i mean, can happen that you need a sitter for a couple of days because your computer break, last moment meeting etc... the same can happen in a long tour when you know you have family days etc...
But inscribing to a tour of 5 days and saying already before i can't be here 1st, 2nd and 4th stage... what you are inscribing for
? Where is the fun?
It's a game not a real company , otherwise it's like having a Vice-President, in this case you should be considered a multi?
Re: Sitter for every stage of a tour
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:00 am
by Rockstar Inc
a first thing would be that the other players should learn NOT to sit them in such a case
Re: Sitter for every stage of a tour
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:54 am
by luques
Rockstar Inc wrote:a first thing would be that the other players should learn NOT to sit them in such a case
Giving a fine for both (the sitted and the sitter) can be a solution?
Actually it is not even in the fairplay rules that you can't be sitted for more than 50% of the stages, inserting it would be fine
Re: Sitter for every stage of a tour
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:28 am
by Rockstar Inc
of course it's not in the rules...more a "unspoken rules" thing...
Re: Sitter for every stage of a tour
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:18 pm
by ATB - Racing
i looked for a sitter for La Vuelta for 3 weeks. Nobody answered me ..... i hate you.
Re: Sitter for every stage of a tour
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:33 pm
by Pokemon Club
ATB - Racing wrote:i looked for a sitter for La Vuelta for 3 weeks. Nobody answered me ..... i hate you.
Ask ptt ?
Re: Sitter for every stage of a tour
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:32 pm
by ATB - Racing
not even Ptt answered my request ... NOBODY. still hating you.
Re: Sitter for every stage of a tour
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:49 pm
by cataracs
you didn't asked me
Re: Sitter for every stage of a tour
Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:27 pm
by glasgowracing
Another one for the list of PTTs.