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Ansach(21:46): gw
Tukhtahuaev(21:37): With Murodbek a lot of people could have won
Tukhtahuaev(21:37): With my team there is no winning everything for a long time now
Mintsprint(21:34): gw
Carrera Blue Jeans(21:34): gw and good night@all
r TAKA(21:33): from winning everything to winning just one stage?
RSVBenrath(21:32): gw
Tukhtahuaev(21:32): That's a very big weight off my shoulders
Tukhtahuaev(21:32): Thanks
Team Trojer Vellau(21:32): Gw
Hansa(21:32): gw Tukh^^
OLcycle(21:32): gw, incredibly strong Piskun today !
Hansa(21:31): he can try for P2 xD
Tukhtahuaev(21:31): So Piskun doesn't even need to try?
Tukhtahuaev(21:31): This looks really close
Hansa(21:30): and Piskun now will get David in his wheel the rest of the tour
OLcycle(21:29): my yes was to Hansa's sentence
OLcycle(21:29): yes
r TAKA(21:29): Tukh new winner today?
Hansa(21:29): if he survives km 97 he probably hangs on to me till 136
OLcycle(21:28): yes, on the last km of pavé he got sieb. bad luck, probably something about a few energy points
Tukhtahuaev(21:28): Would have needed to use Taiwia who I expected to need to have chances for the stage
OLcycle(21:28): yes, but using them a lot today could have been costly for the rest of the stage race. probably you'd have caught us, but at what energy price
Hansa(21:28): Confidential Era was extremely close to save his GC chances there btw^^
Hansa(21:27): but yeah could have tried
Hansa(21:27): i had still 2 pretty fit flat riders at that point
Tukhtahuaev(21:26): Thought about that for a bit, but decided the gamble is too risky
OLcycle(21:25): when Tukh did the early sieb, I thought he'd try to push and see if others would help him to force you to work hard to come back
Hansa(21:25): but yeah i am fine with that minute but mostly because i put so much time into the classics already^^
Hansa(21:25): in both earlier editions it was a lot less
OLcycle(21:24): yeah, but still just a minute
Hansa(21:20): thats why i tried to put as much time as possible into the classics on day 2^^^
OLcycle(21:18): autotempo in grupetto for info
Hansa(20:43): so you tried to drop back but didnt manage to do it ok, no bad intention then all fine
r TAKA(20:42): yes I wanted to attack with one and let the other wait for peloton but not sure what happened. But you're trying to convince me I had to drop back the guy that attacked twice because he's more fit
Hansa(20:39): taka you even attacked a 2nd time from that team attack instead of react to it and solve it, you are an experienced manager i would have expected to solve that immedietely
r TAKA(20:38): if you can't see what happened with Culi I'd understand you wouldnt see what hapened after the teamattack
OLcycle(20:38): he rode and sprinted today already + followed an attack
Hansa(20:38): ah he was in escape nvm
Hansa(20:37): cant imagine he wasnt fit from yesterday
Hansa(20:37): tired from today? because then thats still 11 sprint^^
OLcycle(20:37): Culi was a bit tired as you can imagine
Hansa(20:36): Elmas beating Culibaba 50m vs 50m?
Carrera Blue Jeans(20:33): Confi, use Mustafa, it is your best flattie
r TAKA(20:27): Team Lifehead tempo in the back?
r TAKA(20:19): ok if you insist
Carrera Blue Jeans(20:17): Lifehead whats the sense of siebing your rider ?
Hansa(20:17): he rode tempo till he was caught in that moment its not ok
Hansa(20:17): he didnt wait
r TAKA(20:17): no it was fine right after my rider waited for the peloton
Hansa(20:16): its fine now anyways with only 1 taka in front
Tukhtahuaev(20:16): Unfortunately I didn't pay enough attention at the start
Hansa(20:16): so you want to tell me there was no advantage of your team attack when you kept the 2 fit guys in front?
r TAKA(20:15): you still should leave the fpk if you handle things like this
Hansa(20:13): plain to the rules there is no resolving the team attack anyways
r TAKA(20:13): but still they both worked, the other one even attacked again by mistake and wasted more energy
r TAKA(20:13): how it's resolved is not written in the rules, just because you're used to do it in a certain way I don't have to do the same.
Hansa(20:11): you cant attack with 3 ride with 1 of them a couple kms and then keep the 2 fresh ones in front
Hansa(20:11): the one you rode tempo with and got you an advantage was caught back (not even by your decision) thats not how usually a team attack is seen as resolved
r TAKA(20:10): you should really leave the fpk
r TAKA(20:10): I attacked with 3 one was back and its over
RSVBenrath(20:08): uff lifehead is wake up
Hansa(20:07): i actually do understand the rules
r TAKA(20:07): why are you still in the fpk if you can't understand the rules?
Hansa(20:07): sure after taka even insults i probably do after the race
OLcycle(20:06): you can open a thread then Hansa
Hansa(20:06): its also not really resolved with osaka back btw
r TAKA(20:05): are you an idiot?
OLcycle(20:05): then he must stop with Osako
OLcycle(20:05): ok
Hansa(20:04): no its not he still has an advantage of sending 3 in front as he didnt drop one but the one he rode with got caught
OLcycle(20:04): as he got caught and attacked again, still not ok ?
RSVBenrath(20:04): jepp
RSVBenrath(20:03): hansa dont let a third taka go
Hansa(20:03): not resolved
Hansa(20:03): its still a taka team attack
RSVBenrath(20:03): lets r4ide in front
OLcycle(20:03): seems that hansa won't allow 3 of one team in front, let's go like that ?
Hansa(20:01): moin
Hansa(20:01): taka you know that not allowed?
OLcycle(19:53): hi !
Ansach(19:52): hi
RSVBenrath(19:47): hey
Tukhtahuaev(19:47): Hello
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cataracs wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 10, 2026 10:20 pm

one of them ride 1km the other attacks again (while trying to fix it) then the one who did tempo waits for peloton

cataracs wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 10, 2026 10:20 pm

Hansa insists it wasn't fixed and forced me to drop back both riders.

3) Chained Attacks: Escape (attacking or following) with more than 2 riders of one team at the same km out of the same group. This rule is deactivated:
- if ≥11 riders from ≥4 teams escape, or
- if the original group has ≤14 riders, or
- if there are ≤20 km left in the race, or
- if the road incline is ≥4%.

Hansa wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 10, 2026 11:05 pm

cataracs wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 10, 2026 10:20 pm

one of them ride 1km the other attacks again (while trying to fix it) then the one who did tempo waits for peloton

you can watch the replay yourself, he didnt only ride 1 km and he also didnt wait for peloton

cataracs wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 10, 2026 10:20 pm

Hansa insists it wasn't fixed and forced me to drop back both riders.

i didnt force you on anything, i cant even do that i dont have the tools to force your riders to drop.

You had an clear advantage of your team attack that wasnt resolved by 1 of your guys being caught at force.
If you didnt agree with that you could have kept your guy in front and i report it,as it was mentioned in the chat i would do, and the other 4 FPC Members would have decided on that. (after you then dropped for me it was resolved so i didnt report it anymore)

Hansa(20:16): so you want to tell me there was no advantage of your team attack when you kept the 2 fit guys in front?

Hansa wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 11, 2026 1:42 pm

Go and watch the replay, none of your riders stopped and waited for the peloton, your rode some kms and then were caught by the peloton without any waiting of you. You had the time to attack a 2nd time from that team attack but you didnt manage to wait 1 guy. And espacially that you moved again from that team attack without first waiting one of your guys for the peloton gives you an unfair advantage in that position.

km2 I didn't have enough time to decide how to solve it so I attacked again to get rid of the OL puller for his sprinter, and stayed in tempo with Ren.

Hansa wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 11, 2026 2:29 pm

You didnt wait, you were caught by the peloton.

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cataracs wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 10, 2026 10:20 pm

one of them ride 1km the other attacks again (while trying to fix it)

1km the other attacks again (while trying to fix it

Radunion wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 11, 2026 5:18 pm

I see a possible infringement against the first on third bullet point in this case. Do you investigate this in the current case or should I create a new case for it as the initial accusation was something different?

Hansa wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 11, 2026 6:49 pm

cataracs wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 10, 2026 10:20 pm

one of them ride 1km the other attacks again (while trying to fix it)

here you said you only rode 1 km , which can be proven in the replay that it was a lie as you didnt.

Now you said you rode more than 1 km and then waited (this cant be proven in the replay) but you didnt wait, the Peloton caught you with riding red Tempo behind you.

1km the other attacks again (while trying to fix it

here you said you attacked again while trying to fix your team attack,

thats the moment you have an advantage of the team attack as in that moment you had 3 riders in front and did use them.

the correct way is first fix the team attack and then do another attack, not use your team attack advantage for further advatages and fix it later.

You later dropped a 2nd guy in this moment for me then it was fixed, thats why i didnt proceed to report it anymore.

I didnt use any of my FPC Power in the whole case, i didnt wrote as an FPC, i wrote as your opponent in the race who was disadvantaged by your actions. thats why i also said i will report it after the race to the forum (as explained before i didnt as you fix it later)

i also didnt force you to drop a rider as you mention here, as FPC member i dont even have the power to do this you did this action on your own to avoid being reported.

If you think i was in the wrong and you didnt have an advantage of the team attack you could have just let me report it and proceed with your attack as you would have been sure you would win your case then.