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Today

FOOTBALLCYCLING with 2 stars. He identified the second team as ralouf

FOOTBALLCYCLING: ja weil mein freund heute nicht da ist also nehme ich sein conto da mit er nicht zu viel zeit verliert aber er ist schon weit ^^ ( ralouf )

Sherlock Ape though finds the whole group interesting.

12 teams, 5 language german, 7 language french.

3 germans online, 1 french. The french is: FOOTBALLCYCLING! Is he really french? Or german? Sherlock Ape somehow finds it strange. Some of his mistakes, Dingsbums as Dings boums, ok, ou u in french, but... some other stuff clearly comes across as native. Denk ich auch. Hast die Lizenz? not Denke ich auch, not hast du die Lizenz as a guy who has german as a second language would usually write. "Weil" syntax seems no problem... but then often some other, easier mistakes. etape, ettappe, both versions there, not Etappe. l Anyway, language french, but his team is german. And Abdul Lampard is not Abdoul like for a french would be more logical. The ape needs more examples for a clear judgment... but maybe tomorrow he speaks more french when all his french buddies are there?

Ralouf, french. German team though. Footballs offline friend

kebabteam: french. German team. Horrible names. Hpaul Dlouisalfonse though reminds me a bit of Alfonse Robben who rides for FOOTBALLCYCLING

Prince: french. German team. One of his riders is called Jeromé. éééé. ok, that guy is german, does this name exist? Jerôme, is all the ape knows. Or Jerome? Why would a french write Jeromé? Unless, unknown to the ape that really exists... Interesting too, this Prince has a rider named Gütschow... the other french, FOOTBALLCYCLING can't find the ü on the keyboard though.

Cocodoping: language french, team german. Again. And Gerd Hotschl Bernd Brot, ok, Brot less, but Hotschl looks more like an "advanced" german name to me.

Ziziteam: French. His team though is german. Names a big mess.

Teodorcycling: French. His team though is german. NAmes a big mess. A really big mess. Understandeble I think.

The ape suspects that not ralouf, but ralouf, kebab, prince, coco, zizi and teo are the second account of FOOTBALLCYCLING. And the 2 german offliners, keketeam and kamikaze, first race for both too, could very well be part of the thing too. Although they are german language german team, one has names like cerise, patate and pomme... french, maybe just forgot to put in the right language for those?

Ape says: A huge multiattack here, find out if it's 1 guy with 9 teams (which at this point seems possible or even likely) Or 1 guy with 10 teams, one in group 1. Massive IP check, for all 9 suspected teams to see any IP "Uebereinstimmung" with any other existing RSF team.

- field splitting for first team (to be in group 1 or 2, both possible)
- multi attack to make the issue clear?
- all just pure coincidence, a bunch of new french speaking guys make their teams german and start their career at the Andes. Offline.


Here todays chat for more language analysis:

FOOTBALLCYCLING: sonst gibt es heute die 2 etape ???
FOOTBALLCYCLING: ja aber jetzt wirt es bleiben ... aber versprechen ich helfe ihn nicht mehr wenn er nicht da ist .
GAULOISES: auf viel spass noch die naechsten tage
FOOTBALLCYCLING: ok ok ... sonst gw phoenix
PhoenixBerlin: danke...aber fahre morgen nicht für gelb....no chance..
PhoenixBerlin: wenn das nochma vorkommt meldung!!!football
RoXaR: GW Phoenix
RoXaR: NEIN ist es nicht dann soll er sich einen anderen sitter suchen
RoXaR: zum glück nicht viele da^^
FOOTBALLCYCLING: ja aber dann ist es unfair fur ihn
PhoenixBerlin: keke nix eingestellt..
PhoenixBerlin: ja.....großer mist
RoXaR: das ist mist
FOOTBALLCYCLING: ja weil mein freund heute nicht da ist also nehme ich sein conto da mit er nicht zu viel zeit verliert aber er ist schon weit ^^ ( ralouf )
PhoenixBerlin: du weißt das is verboten
RoXaR: FOOTBALL wer ist dein zweites team?
GAULOISES: bin zufrieden sehr zufrieden
PhoenixBerlin: FOOTBALLCYCLING** was is das?....multi
FOOTBALLCYCLING: ralouf hat auch ein guten Zeit dings boums fahrer
RoXaR: doch gibt es, aber wenig
GAULOISES: top 3 gk waer schon super
FOOTBALLCYCLING: ich habe ein sehr guten aber ich weiss nicht mehr ob es flachettappen gibt
RoXaR: GAULOISES, keketeam und RoXaR sind für mich favos
GAULOISES: drum hab ich auch keinen sprinter mit haha
FOOTBALLCYCLING: gauloises : denk ich auch
PhoenixBerlin: bergfahrer auf jeden 1000 %
FOOTBALLCYCLING: doch ich habe nicht die lizenz ich bin nur neu
PhoenixBerlin: meine lzt. Britannia tour ....september...2 et. siege
GAULOISES: schon bergfahrer o´der
RoXaR: ja hab ich, sonst könnte ich hier nicht fahren oder?
FOOTBALLCYCLING: also hast die lizenz ???
RoXaR: mein letztes rennen war die Vuelta
RoXaR: ich hab für die tour reset
FOOTBALLCYCLING: wer ist fav fur den tour ??? bergfahrer oder klassiker ???
PhoenixBerlin: wollte schon reseten....längere zeit weg gewesen.....aber die anden tour kenn ich noch nicht
GAULOISES: ja ich bin der harald aus der schoenen steiermark
RoXaR: nee nicht wirklich ^^
GAULOISES: du bist ja der veteran in dem feld hier
RoXaR: schöne Tour wünsche ich allen. mal sehen wer sich hinter den "Neulingen" versteckt?
GAULOISES: deutsch schon schwierig fuer mich
PhoenixBerlin: deutsch oder english kein problem
GAULOISES: mein oesterreichisch is supa hahaha
GAULOISES: yes u too r u new
FOOTBALLCYCLING: könnt ihr aber deutschsprechen mein english ist kake
PhoenixBerlin: yes....good evening all....and a nice tour without stress!!
GAULOISES: my french does not exist lol
FOOTBALLCYCLING: have a nice tour
FOOTBALLCYCLING: salut tout le monde
GAULOISES: hello all and a nice tour

GAULOISES kind of fascinating too. no ä/ö/ü in Austria?

Big mess here.

And if you're fast, IMO you could kick them all, (After establishing that they all have the same IP, which I'm personally fairly sure they do) put the survivors plus Luna who escaped in group 1 too, if they agree.... Some special rule for time lost or so...

If met in Group 1:

Easiest way: Just keep the difference...whether one has 30 Sec in Field 1 or 2 is not important, it's just 30 Sec. And the jerseys you give all to the rider of field 1, or if that's unfair I would give them asyl and Fabulous Beyeler will carry them around South America.

Damn, don´t read this
But what now? Could we really put the field together?

I could start the TT new...set all to 100%...a little bit work for me, but i think the best solution or? But points, money i won´t change for yesterday...okay, maybe not the best solution...

Do the IP check though, 1 manager 7 or 9 teams is just my theory, which could be wrong

Yes...is a multi. I will ban all the teams. So now we have to think about the best solution for the teams in group 2.

Do some checks about GAULOISES too. The man with no Umlaut. Another capital letters team, SVENSKAA gave an interview without Umlaute too yesterday

So seems likely they both belong to this nice group

viewtopic.php?f=40&t=956

See the answers by MAPLE without Umlaute too.

So that leaves exactly how many teams in the race? 2? 3?


I would say: integrate them to group 1. And ask Luna if he wants to start a day late too, after all his stated reason for pulling out was that he didn't want to ride in a multisplit group or with x strange offliners if it didn't go to the split.
How? Let those concerned decide

If i start the TT new, if would not be a problem if Luna want to ride, too.

Do you think it is a problem to restart the tour? I don´t really see any. But i can´t speak with all, want to fix this soon. Don´t have the whole day time for this.

Post your plan in the 2 race chats... look at the reactions later.

But maybe make the second TT a "no money event". Would kind of piss off lots of people if they have 2 big minus days...

Okay, there is no other possibility. Such a **ASda**johasiodhasojklds*D*S*DAS*D*A**** cheater

No minus this evenening. So there are only a few winners.

I'm with it. Just sent Buhmann my planned line-up for the race.

For your knowledge:
I took part in the 23h race yesterday as a compensation, and earned ~25k instead of loosing ~65k at the Andes tt. That's a difference of + 90k for me.

Furthermore I was credited ~20k too much in one of the final Southland stages. I checked all the prize money but I didn't found out how it came to that. So in addition it would be more than 100k plus for me in the last few days. It wouldn't be fatal if you remove 100k from my cash money if I now get re-integrated into the Campeonatp without the loss of the first day.

Hm, maybe Buhmann can check Bolivia 17:00 too...seems to be very strange too...2 online teams and 16!! offline at stage 1, KM 16....

If the server is down until 20 o´clock, i don´t really know how to handle this. I wanted to start the TT at 19 o´clock...

No salary is caclulated for me.

Great "Thank you" to Buhmann for all the work you did yesterday for us!!

My pleasure. Sorry for the problems.

Can you take out the remaining 5 Multi-Teams. They are not good for the race, they make zB autotempo in red and save all the riders.